Pumpkins Vs Nirvana

itsevobaby · July 2007

catefrances wrote:

you can't compare one band's albums against another band's albums, when one of those bands ceased to exist and didn't have the chance to evolve as they may have. we don't know what direction nirvana would have taken had kurt lived. or even if nirvana would have continued to exist much past 1994. i would never, for example, compare bleach with ten cause they are two different animals despite both being debut albums. they were released at different times and by two different types of bands.

i would have loved to have seen what direction nirvana had taken their music, it's a fascinating thought

FreshTendrils · July 2007

catefrances wrote:

you can't compare one band's albums against another band's albums, when one of those bands ceased to exist and didn't have the chance to evolve as they may have. we don't know what direction nirvana would have taken had kurt lived. or even if nirvana would have continued to exist much past 1994. i would never, for example, compare bleach with ten cause they are two different animals despite both being debut albums. they were released at different times and by two different types of bands.

Why can't you compare? Different styles might make it harder, but certainly not impossible and the time period really shouldn't play that big of a role either. Thats like saying you can't compare Radiohead to The Beatles. I mean, I fully understand if you don't want to or don't like to compare bands, but its not an abnormal thing to do.

catefrances · July 2007

FreshTendrils wrote:

Why can't you compare? Different styles might make it harder, but certainly not impossible and the time period really shouldn't play that big of a role either. Thats like saying you can't compare Radiohead to The Beatles. I mean, I fully understand if you don't want to or don't like to compare bands, but its not an abnormal thing to do.

but why do it? why? why? why? that's my point.

and of course the time period makes a difference. everything has to be taken into account. someone mentioned siamese dreams was the result of corgan's reaction to the public's nonlove of gish. therefore had the public lovingly embraced gish then we probably wouldn't have siamese dreams as we know it.

itsevobaby wrote:

i would have loved to have seen what direction nirvana had taken their music, it's a fascinating thought

ive been thinking about this a lot lately. but not nirvana, more what kurt could have done. and not just with music.

MLC2006 · July 2007

metsfan, your comments show your age. you were 6 when Nevermind hit, so there's no way you could know first hand the impact that Nirvana had. I was in high school at the time and remember it well. they weren't a "pop punk" band because there was no such term at the time. this was before Green Day, Blink 182, Offspring, and probably about every other band that you like.

Mtv showed Poison, Warrant, Cinderella, and all the other pointless hairspray "metal" bands. then comes Nirvana, like the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs and suddenly, the entire landscape of music changed. this was before even Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, and probably every other band you like. yeah, Nirvana was influenced by other bands just like every band is, but for you to dismiss them as a "pop punk" band truly IS idiotic.

also, as for calling them "sellouts" shows you don't know much about them. one of the very motives for Cobain killing himself was that he could not take being famous. he was riddled by guilt that he had achieved success while other punk bands remained in the shadows. they purposely didn't "produce" In Utero rather than just record it raw because they didn't want to be thought of as a mainstream band.

I can certainly see someone not liking Nirvana. but failing to at least acknowledge the credit that is due them is fucking ignorant.

Gary Carter · July 2007

MLC2006 wrote:

metsfan, your comments show your age. you were 6 when Nevermind hit, so there's no way you could know first hand the impact that Nirvana had. I was in high school at the time and remember it well. they weren't a "pop punk" band because there was no such term at the time. this was before Green Day, Blink 182, Offspring, and probably about every other band that you like.

Mtv showed Poison, Warrant, Cinderella, and all the other pointless hairspray "metal" bands. then comes Nirvana, like the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs and suddenly, the entire landscape of music changed. this was before even Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, and probably every other band you like. yeah, Nirvana was influenced by other bands just like every band is, but for you to dismiss them as a "pop punk" band truly IS idiotic.

also, as for calling them "sellouts" shows you don't know much about them. one of the very motives for Cobain killing himself was that he could not take being famous. he was riddled by guilt that he had achieved success while other punk bands remained in the shadows. they purposely didn't "produce" In Utero rather than just record it raw because they didn't want to be thought of as a mainstream band.

I can certainly see someone not liking Nirvana. but failing to at least acknowledge the credit that is due them is fucking ignorant.

thanks for the history lesson asshat i already knew that. what are ya gonna do tell me bout woodstock and montrey(sp) :rolleyes:.i was 4 or 5 when ten came and yet im a huge fan of pearl jam so your post is worng there.i dont like green day nor do i like the offspring, so again your post is wrong.and why did cobain kill himself for, gee cause he was to popular hence the term sell out.acknowledge what, acknowledge that kurt fucking killed himself and all of a sudden became a legend. face it if kurt didnt kill himself, nirvana would be like everyother band from the 90s. and get it through your ignorant skull that nirvana never was a punk band, they were pop-punk

fyi-i dont like any bands from the last 10-15 years so again your post is wrong

catefrances · July 2007

metsfan531941 wrote:

thanks for the history lesson asshat i already knew that. what are ya gonna do tell me bout woodstock and montrey(sp) :roolleyes:.i was 4 or 5 when ten came and yet im a huge fan of pearl jam so your post is worng there.i dont like green day nor do i like the offspring, so again your post is wrong.and why did cobain kill himself for, gee cause he was to popular hence the term sell out.acknowledge what, acknowledge that kurt fucking killed himself and all of a sudden became a legend. face it if kurt didnt kill himself, nirvana would be like everyother band from the 90s

you're popular so you're a sellout. WHAT?!! that doesn't make sense.
pearl jam are not nirvana. pearl jam didn't shit all over hair metal. nirvana did. pearl jam quite possibly wouldn't have got a look in if it weren't for nirvana. and how old you were when ten came out doesn't really mean anything. unless of course you were rocking out to it at 4. which i know from experience is entirely plausible.
kurt had a whole lot of shit going on when he killed himself. i don't profess to know what was in his mind, but people don't just kill themselves cause people love their music. this much i do know.
you say the only nirvana music you own is unplugged[./I]. that album isn't really even indicative of nirvana, aside form them doing all those covers because of a personal love for them. if kurt was a sellout he would not have got cris and curt kurtwood to help out. i imagine he would have gone for someone a little more high profile if anything.

MLC2006 · July 2007

metsfan531941 wrote:

thanks for the history lesson asshat i already knew that. what are ya gonna do tell me bout woodstock and montrey(sp) :roolleyes:.i was 4 or 5 when ten came and yet im a huge fan of pearl jam so your post is worng there.i dont like green day nor do i like the offspring, so again your post is wrong.and why did cobain kill himself for, gee cause he was to popular hence the term sell out.acknowledge what, acknowledge that kurt fucking killed himself and all of a sudden became a legend. face it if kurt didnt kill himself, nirvana would be like everyother band from the 90s. and get it through your ignorant skull that nirvana never was a punk band, they were pop-punk

again, you're showing your age and your stupidity. Kurt Cobain was a legend BEFORE he died. he had TWO major label studio releases and his death made the cover of every major magazine, including the likes of Time, etc. you think the reaction would have been the same if the singer from Creed or 7 Mary 3 had killed themself? if so, you're an idiot (well actually, we've already established that).

let's see, the punk bands you talk of.....you can't say what the Sex Pistols would have done because they were too incoherent to even stay together and be a band. NOFX, hmmm, aren't they in EVERY Warped Tour which is nothing but a sponser fest for supposed punk bands that don't want to be labeled and sponsered?? then, Fugazi. yeah, Fugazi is a true punk band, I'll give you that. but so what?? that means Nirvana wasn't? you're an idiot who doesn't know shit that you're talking about. Nirvana had a MAJOR influence on the world. they paved the way for PJ and every other band that's come since. and if not for Nirvana, you'd probably be listening to Poison right now. but hey, you were watching Barney at the time, so you don't know. so your opinion as far as I'm concerned, is shit.

Gary Carter · July 2007

MLC2006 wrote:

again, you're showing your age and your stupidity. Kurt Cobain was a legend BEFORE he died. he had TWO major label studio releases and his death made the cover of every major magazine, including the likes of Time, etc. you think the reaction would have been the same if the singer from Creed or 7 Mary 3 had killed themself? if so, you're an idiot (well actually, we've already established that).

let's see, the punk bands you talk of.....you can't say what the Sex Pistols would have done because they were too incoherent to even stay together and be a band. NOFX, hmmm, aren't they in EVERY Warped Tour which is nothing but a sponser fest for supposed punk bands that don't want to be labeled and sponsered?? then, Fugazi. yeah, Fugazi is a true punk band, I'll give you that. but so what?? that means Nirvana wasn't? you're an idiot who doesn't know shit that you're talking about. Nirvana had a MAJOR influence on the world. they paved the way for PJ and every other band that's come since. and if not for Nirvana, you'd probably be listening to Poison right now. but hey, you were watching Barney at the time, so you don't know. so your opinion as far as I'm concerned, is shit.

i love people pissing off, its fun to get under peoples skin and watch them call me names and act like a 5 year old.

MLC2006 · July 2007

metsfan531941 wrote:

i love people pissing off, its fun to get under peoples skin and watch them call me names and act like a 5 year old.

Lol, you ARE an idiot. that's not a name, that's what you are. I competely missed the part where you said you liked Blink 182. lmao. you want to talk shit about NIRVANA, and have the balls to say you like Blink 182. there would be no Blink 182 if not for Nirvana. called Nirvana a sellout pop-punk in the same breath as saying you like Blink 182 completely negates any point that you could've made.

Gary Carter · July 2007

MLC2006 wrote:

Lol, you ARE an idiot. that's not a name, that's what you are. I competely missed the part where you said you liked Blink 182. lmao. you want to talk shit about NIRVANA, and have the balls to say you like Blink 182. there would be no Blink 182 if not for Nirvana. called Nirvana a sellout pop-punk in the same breath as saying you like Blink 182 completely negates any point that you could've made.

nice keep up with the name calling, and in that same post i realize the fact that blink-182 are sell-outs.

btw-blink-182 were around in the early 90s, they just werent popular cause of "grunge"

norm · July 2007

catefrances wrote:

ive been thinking about this a lot lately. but not nirvana, more what kurt could have done. and not just with music.

i knew i shouldn't have read this thread (you suck; you're an idiot - grow up people) but i wanted to respond to this......i still remember how much kurt wanted to work with michael stipe......i think that would have been a interesting collaboration....:)

and now back to the childishness.....:rolleyes:

Gary Carter · July 2007

cutback wrote:

and now back to the childishness.....:rolleyes:

i know all what mlc is saying, i just like to get under peoples skin and whatch how fucking serious people get on the board

catefrances · July 2007

cutback wrote:

i knew i shouldn't have read this thread (you suck; you're an idiot - grow up people) but i wanted to respond to this......i still remember how much kurt wanted to work with michael stipe......i think that would have been a interesting collaboration....:)

and now back to the childishness.....:rolleyes:

yeah. and when i listen to the winding sheet and lanegan's singing in the pines and kurt comes in on backing vox my whole spirit is just lifted.

oh michael stipe's a sellout cause he worked with dashboard confessional.

Gary Carter · July 2007

catefrances wrote:

oh michael stipe's a sellout cause he worked with dashboard confessional.

thats really fucking sad if stipe did actually work with them

norm · July 2007

catefrances wrote:

yeah. and when i listen to the winding sheet and lanegan's singing in the pines and kurt comes in on backing vox my whole spirit is just lifted.

i know people hate kurt's voice, but i loved it......so much pain and conflict behind it.....

catefrances wrote:

oh michael stipe's a sellout cause he worked with dashboard confessional.

hehehehehehehe...:D

MLC2006 · July 2007

catefrances wrote:

oh michael stipe's a sellout cause he worked with dashboard confessional.

oh, you must've missed the memo. everybody who tries to make a living off being a musician is a "sellout". everybody except Fugazi. that's because Fugazi don't eat, have living expenses, or pay bills. that's how above the fray they are. they don't even charge for tickets to their shows, you just show up and are blown away by their omnipotence. but yeah, Cobain, Stipe, Vedder...they're all sellouts because people have actually heard of them.

itsevobaby · July 2007

catefrances wrote:

ive been thinking about this a lot lately. but not nirvana, more what kurt could have done. and not just with music.

yeah totally agree. whatever he had of turned his attention to, it would've been alot more creative than anything that dave has done since. oh dave, bless you, but shake it up a bit!!

norm · July 2007

itsevobaby wrote:

yeah totally agree. whatever he had of turned his attention to, it would've been alot more creative than anything that dave has done since. oh dave, bless you, but shake it up a bit!!

well this might interest you...http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=4582506&postcount=7....:)

itsevobaby · July 2007

cutback wrote:

i knew i shouldn't have read this thread (you suck; you're an idiot - grow up people) but i wanted to respond to this......i still remember how much kurt wanted to work with michael stipe......i think that would have been a interesting collaboration....:)

and now back to the childishness.....:rolleyes:

let me in from monster was for kurt. one of the great rem songs in my opinion.

catefrances · July 2007

metsfan531941 wrote:

thats really fucking sad if stipe did actually work with them

why is it? chris carrabba said automatic for the people made an indelible impact on him. so when the opportunity came up michael stipe was only too happy to do something with them.

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