Will there ever be another Biggest Band in the World?

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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Odin wrote:
    I can almost guarantee you that more casual rock listeners have the Black album, Master of Puppets and And Justice For All than any GnR album and can name more of Metallica's songs. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of casual rock listeners could only name one song from Nirvana and GnR: Smells Like Teen Spirit and Welcome to the Jungle.
    I think more people have Appetite or Nevermind than MOP. Black Album, I MAY be able to give you that one.
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  • HermanBloom
    HermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    GlorifiedAnimal wrote:
    there is one now. they are called radiohead.
    too bad they suck
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  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    Odin wrote:
    Actually, Ten (which was released before Nevermind) was just as important, and became successful comercially around the same time as Nevermind (in the first half of 1992).

    Actually there was a fair few months seperating their success. Nirvana's success was far more rapid, and it's not a pissing contest anyway - it's a simple case that Nirvana's huge populairty opened up the gates for Pearl Jam and the others.
    Odin wrote:
    If you want to take that point further, than today's most popular band (whoever that may be) also deserves as much recognition as The Beatles and Elvis because there's a HELL of a lot more competition today than there were in the 1990s, before the days of myspace, online radio, and the downfall of major labels.

    Not if they aren't culturally relevant, as in the case of Nickelback who just sell bland vanilla rock.


    Odin wrote:
    Though I am a big fan of Metallica's, I have tried not to let that impair my objectivity in this debate.

    Try harder ;):D
  • Odin
    Odin Posts: 599
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Wow, you sure know your little latin phrase there. Having been subjected to "ad hominem" twice now, I can barely contain how impressed I am. My personal attack seems so silly having directed it at a guy who has studied critical thinking long and hard :rolleyes: And we're talking attacks here? I seem to remember you telling Get Right "you know where you can shove your lousy opinion. Right up your fucking ass."

    ad hominem = attack against the individual and his credibility, not the argument itself.

    E.g.: Jeremy1012 takes Odin's opinion regarding the popularity of bands in the 1990s with a grain of salt because he doesn't like the same bands as Odin.
    As for my refined tastes, you're damn fucking right I listen to better music than you do

    <bows down to the self-proclaimed expert on all things music>

    BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS, MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!
    but this thread isn't about that, it's about the bigger band

    ...then there shouldn't be any need for cheap ad hominem jabs. Your opinion should be able to stand on its own two feet. But wait. You're too busy to conduct some God damn research to defend your position (or so you claim), so instead you instead resort to boasting about your relatively "superior" musical tastes.
    and I, and every other sentient being who has posted in this thread realises that record sales and how many t-shirts sold has nothing to do with how big a band was.

    Really? Then what does constitute popularity in your mind? How many elitists like yourself form circle jerks around the band's albums? It's a little known fact that before the age of downloads, everyone bought records... then tapes... and then CDs. That to me carries more weight than the number of people wore "grungy" flannel shirts in the early-1990s.
    Pearl Jam sold more records than Nirvana.

    Of course they have. They've had a longer career.
    Nirvana were still THE band of the time. I have yet to see one relevant argument to the contrary from you

    http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_sold_albums.html

    ...along with the chart position links from Wikipedia.

    What arguments have YOU offered other than your own worthless opinions and "evidence"?
  • elmer
    elmer Posts: 1,683
    Odin wrote:
    I can almost guarantee you that more casual rock listeners have the Black album, Master of Puppets and And Justice For All than any GnR album and can name more of Metallica's songs. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of casual rock listeners could only name one song from Nirvana and GnR: Smells Like Teen Spirit and Welcome to the Jungle.
    If it's a rock audience then maybe so, but within the popular mainstream Metallica have only the two ot three hit singles from the Black album that would be suitable for daytime standard radio and that's pushing it, maybe only Nothing Else Matters would occasionally get a spin. Talking UKradio.
  • Odin
    Odin Posts: 599
    facepollution wrote:
    Actually there was a fair few months seperating their success.

    ...which, on the rock music timeline, amounts to a split-second.
    Nirvana's success was far more rapid

    Obviously, Nirvana's success was more rapid than Metallica's because Metallica was already popular......and then they grew even larger to became rock icons all around the world.
    it's a simple case that Nirvana's huge populairty opened up the gates for Pearl Jam and the others.

    Pearl Jam's rise was concurrent with Nirvana's, and that is why they, not Nirvana, were considered "the most popular rock & roll band of the 1990s" (source: Wikipedia's Pearl Jam article).

    I also found THIS on Wikipedia:
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/43/1101931025_400.jpg/150px-1101931025_400.jpg

    Hmmm, that looks like Eddie Vedder, not Kurt Cobain on the cover of Time Magazine. If Nirvana were truly THE sole face of grunge, you would think that it would be a photo of them (or one of their members) on the cover, no?
    Not if they aren't culturally relevant, as in the case of Nickelback who just sell bland vanilla rock.

    But Metallica WAS culturally relevant back then. Metal's popularity post-Sabbath peaked with Metallica.
  • Odin
    Odin Posts: 599
    elmer wrote:
    If it's a rock audience then maybe so, but within the popular mainstream Metallica have only the two ot three hit singles from the Black album that would be suitable for daytime standard radio and that's pushing it, maybe only Nothing Else Matters would occasionally get a spin. Talking UKradio.

    And what about Nirvana and GnR? The only Nirvana and GnR songs that I ever hear on standard radio are the ones I mentioned in my earlier response.
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Odin wrote:

    BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS, MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!

    Well that's not very nice.
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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    Odin wrote:
    Of course they have. They've had a longer career.
    Pearl Jam sold more records than Nirvana WHILE Nirvana were still around.

    FACT.

    And yet, Nirvana were a bigger band. They were the band that held the social consciousness. They were the band that managed to create such an impact that they are still the band that people talk about today when mentioning the 90s. Like I said, record sales don't mean anything.

    What the fuck does it have to do with my elitist views? How exactly are my views elitist anyway you ignorant, unintelligent prick? I prefer Metallica to Nirvana. I stated that several pages ago. I severely dislike Nirvana, I'm just not moronic enough to assume that because I prefer Metallica, they were the bigger band.

    I am also well aware what an ad hominem is. I would think, however, that the attacks I have made against you have a level of digression which is entirely appropriate and proportional to how much you need to be taken down a peg or two. Your posts here are indicative of a complete lack of reasoning skills, not to mention logic and, most important of all, intelligence. I have resorted to insults and bad language in order to communicate with you in the language that you understand best. "Blow that out your ass"? How old are you? Seriously.

    Consider my contributions here to be at an end. Not because I have nothing more to say but because I fear that, if I say it, I will be risking an unnecessary banning and further waste of my time. See you in the next thread you fill with your banal, meandering arguments and asinine insults.
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  • Odin
    Odin Posts: 599
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    And yet, Nirvana were a bigger band. They were the band that held the social consciousness. They were the band that managed to create such an impact that they are still the band that people talk about today when mentioning the 90s.

    From Wikipedia: "Pearl Jam has outlasted many of its contemporaries from the alternative rock breakthrough of the early 1990s, and is considered one of the most influential bands of the decade, and the most popular American rock & roll band of the '90s".
    I am also well aware what an ad hominem is. I would think, however, that the attacks I have made against you have a level of digression which is entirely appropriate and proportional to how much you need to be taken down a peg or two.

    Actually, it's totally irrelevant to the discussion and therefore lowers YOUR credibility.
    Your posts here are indicative of a complete lack of reason skills, not to mention logic and, most important of all, intelligence.

    It is YOUR opinion, which you have failed to back up, that is lacking in these areas. Either support your claim with substance or shut the fuck up. Calling me a "ignorant, unintelligent prick" in lieu of well-researched arguments is a waste of my precious fucking time.
  • Odin
    Odin Posts: 599
    Time to interject my own ad hominem attack, which is more relevant to the discussion at hand than any of Jeremy's:

    Jeremy1012

    Date of Birth:
    October 8, 1988

    Age:
    19

    You weren't even in kindergarten when Nevermind was released, so how the fuck are YOU able to determine Nirvana's popularity relative to Metallica's in 1991-92? You were in diapers, junior!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, what a fag! You had BETTER use sales numbers to defend your position because any anecdotal evidence that you provide henceforth will be rendered null-and-void due to your age.
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Odin wrote:
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, what a fag!

    Really? This is how you argue?
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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    Odin wrote:
    Time to interject my own ad hominem attack, which is more relevant to the discussion at hand than any of Jeremy's:

    Jeremy1012

    Date of Birth:
    October 8, 1988

    Age:
    19

    You weren't even in kindergarten when Nevermind was released, so how the fuck are YOU able to determine Nirvana's popularity relative to Metallica's in 1991-92? You were in diapers, junior!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, what a fag!
    You're a fucking moron. See Rhinoceros Surprise for details. Seems like your idiotic, patronising ass needs to grow out of diapers still. I assume you have no thoughts on ANY subjects before your time? Oh and also, the homophobic slurs? good call Odin. You're looking real cool now.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • Odin
    Odin Posts: 599
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    I assume you have no thoughts on ANY subjects before your time?

    I am not "moronic" enough to gauge, say, the popularity of Ronald Reagan during his tenure as U.S. President because I was, at the time, the same age as you when Metallica and Nirvana were at their respective primes; it would be foolish for me to do so.....unless I were to provide second-hand accounts (e.g., public opinion polls from the time). You have provided NOTHING of the sort to support your opinion that Nirvana was more popular than Metallica at the beginning of the 1990s.
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Odin wrote:
    I am not "moronic" enough to gauge, say, the popularity of Ronald Reagan during his tenure as U.S. President because I was, at the time, the same age as you when Metallica and Nirvana were at their respective primes; it would be foolish for me to do so.....unless I were to provide some first-hand accounts from external sources (e.g., public opinion polls from the time). You have provided NOTHING of the sort to support your opinion that Nirvana was more popular than Metallica at the beginning of the 1990s.

    And you've provided sales statistics - without any links for validity, as far as I could tell - and offensive tirades... Go Odin!
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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    Odin wrote:
    I am not "moronic" enough to gauge, say, the popularity of Ronald Reagan during his tenure because I was, at the time, the same age as you when Metallica and Nirvana were at their respective primes; it would be foolish for me to do so.....unless I were to provide some first-hand accounts from external sources (e.g., public opinion polls from the time). You have provided NOTHING of the sort to support your opinion that Nirvana was more popular than Metallica.
    I could quite easily provide you with said information if I cared to do so. As it stands, I think the general concensus from everyone is that you are wrong and I am therefore not required to do so. I never once imagined that I would need to provide such sources since I never imagined I'd chance upon such an obstinately blinkered person in this thread.

    Oh, and nice work on being a 30 year-old (I am assuming from the Reagan comment) who attempts to assert his presence in a thread by saying "blow it out your ass, motherfucker". So long as we're mocking over age issues here, let's show up the 30 year-old 'tallica fan who still thinks that it's cool to talk like Beavis and Butthead.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • Odin
    Odin Posts: 599
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    And you've provided sales statistics - without any links for validity, as far as I could tell - and offensive tirades... Go Odin!

    Re-read the discussion. I've provided more links than anyone else combined.
  • Odin
    Odin Posts: 599
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    I could quite easily provide you with said information if I cared to do so. As it stands, I think the general concensus from everyone is that you are wrong and I am therefore not required to do so. I never once imagined that I would need to provide such sources since I never imagined I'd chance upon such an obstinately blinkered person in this thread.

    Oh, and nice work on being a 30 year-old (I am assuming from the Reagan comment) who attempts to assert his presence in a thread by saying "blow it out your ass, motherfucker". So long as we're mocking over age issues here, let's show up the 30 year-old 'tallica fan who still thinks that it's cool to talk like Beavis and Butthead.

    Another predictable response. Another cop-out. Either come back with something worthwhile or STFU.
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Odin wrote:
    Re-read the discussion. I've provided more links than anyone else combined.

    Fair enough - but the links were a secondary thought. My point was sales statistics and insults aren't gonna convince people that Metallica were more popular than Nirvana. For a few weeks, Pearl Jam probably outsold a lot of people 2 years ago. Doesn't mean they were the biggest band in the world - it just means a lot of people bought that record in that space of time.
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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    Odin wrote:
    Another predictable response. Another cop-out. Either come back with something worthwhile or STFU.
    Oh wait a second... you're... you're the man in charge of this board? and you can tell me what I can and can't say? and the threads in which I can do it?


    wait... hang on, no... that's not the case at all. In fact, I'm free to say whatever the hell I want and certainly I won't be stopping because you tell me to. But I'm happy for you. Clearly your mastery of wikipedia references makes you a cut above the rest of us in terms of debating. A scholarly source if ever there was one.
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