how much credit do the Beatles deserve?

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  • DOSW
    DOSW Posts: 2,014
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    You think?
    It all boils down to taste i guess.

    Well, Maxwell's Silver Hammer still blows. :)
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  • Trailer
    Trailer Posts: 1,431
    I think George Martin deserves a good deal of credit as well! With that said... the Beatles are the most important band to ever make music.
    Whoa, chill bro... you know you can't raise your voice like that when the lion's here.
  • stargirl69
    stargirl69 Posts: 6,387
    Joe2TheRevenge wrote:
    Also, they didn't invent Rock n Roll

    Rock n Roll was derived from poor depressed black american blues musicians in the south, not a bunch of limey suit-wearing smiling british popstars with cute haircuts



    Well said.
    The Beatles were the most overrated music plagiarists ever.I absolutely loath them.All they invented was the boy band phenomenon.
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    stargirl69 wrote:
    Well said.
    The Beatles were the most overrated music plagiarists ever.I absolutely loath them.All they invented was the boy band phenomenon.

    boybands are manufactured cute boys who cant play instruments chucked into a room having never met each other before and told what and when to sing...

    i checked this out against the Beatles.. and you're wrong on every aspect of it.

    they were mates, played instruments, worked in shitty clubs plying their trade for years and years before they hit the big time and very very early in their career they insisted on recording their own material.

    zero boyband about the beatles whatsoever,..
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • stargirl69
    stargirl69 Posts: 6,387
    dunkman wrote:
    boybands are manufactured cute boys who cant play instruments ,..




    LoL..........Ringo Starr
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    stargirl69 wrote:
    LoL..........Ringo Starr

    ringo played drums... still does... its still an instrument :confused: thanks for glossing over 99.3% of my entire post though :rolleyes:

    post a youtube of you drumming Helter Skelter and then we can lol ;)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • stargirl69
    stargirl69 Posts: 6,387
    dunkman wrote:
    ringo played drums... still does... its still an instrument :confused: thanks for glossing over 99.3% of my entire post though :rolleyes:

    post a youtube of you drumming Helter Skelter and then we can lol quote];)[/



    Ooohhh Check You :)

    I removed some post to heighten comedic value ;)
    But hey comedy is subjective..........get me a webcam a drum kit and a better track and I'll do the deed.Then no one will laugh more than myself I guarantee.But I'm not an ex member of a band who allegedly changed the world.
    No apologise,dislike them with a passion which increases with age.But each to their own.
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    stargirl69 wrote:
    Well said.
    The Beatles were the most overrated music plagiarists ever.I absolutely loath them.All they invented was the boy band phenomenon.

    Sure you're not talking about Led Zep? They were a boy band too. Four white boys, making the music of Hendrix and the British folk boom palatable for hicks and rednecks everywhere.
  • DOSW
    DOSW Posts: 2,014
    I think anyone who says they were a boy band isn't familiar with them beyond the slightest understanding. Listen to Sgt. Pepper and tell me they're a boy band with no talent. Listen to ANY album from 1965 and beyond and tell me you they're a talentless boy band. If you still think that after having a GENUINE understanding of the band, then you're one misguided individual.
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  • DOSW
    DOSW Posts: 2,014
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Sure you're not talking about Led Zep? They were a boy band too. Four white boys, making the music of Hendrix and the British folk boom palatable for hicks and rednecks everywhere.

    Seriously. You wanna talk about music plagiarism, look at early Led Zep. They didn't even credit their sources.
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  • glasshouse
    glasshouse Posts: 1,762
    the Beatles and Led Zep have only 1 thing in common.

    Both were larger than life (and is to this very day)
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  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    That's like saying "someone would have thought of the lightbulb eventually". It's easy to say in hindsight, but if someone was to revolutionise music today the way the Beatles did back then, we'd all make one hell of a hoopla.
    I don't think it's the same. There's a clear point in history you can point to concerning the lightbulb, and that's when the first one was constructed. Before then, there were no lightbulbs. There's no evolution involved there. Evolution of thought and design yes, but nothing concrete.

    Before The Beatles there was music, and music is constantly evolving. Nobody invents a genre. There are bands that come along and push the boundaries more like The Beatles, but they didn't think up rock n roll. Neither did Elvis or whoever else gets credit for such a ridiculous thing.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    DOSW wrote:
    I think anyone who says they were a boy band isn't familiar with them beyond the slightest understanding. Listen to Sgt. Pepper and tell me they're a boy band with no talent. Listen to ANY album from 1965 and beyond and tell me you they're a talentless boy band. If you still think that after having a GENUINE understanding of the band, then you're one misguided individual.


    Exactly. These people have no sense of the contexts of musical history. The people they cite as innovators are often coming years after the groundwork was done and the great monuments of rock constructed and there for all to copy.
  • Cropduster84
    Cropduster84 Posts: 1,283
    For those of you saying all the beatles did was invent the boyband, you must seriously have so little musical knowledge.


    Go and listen to Help, Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt. Pepper, White Album and Abbey Road and post me links of a boyband who has even come close to their inovation.....

    Its fine to hate the beatles, of course theyre not to everyones taste but not even beginning to recognise their achievements is just plain ignorance.....
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    stargirl69 wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    ringo played drums... still does... its still an instrument :confused: thanks for glossing over 99.3% of my entire post though :rolleyes:

    post a youtube of you drumming Helter Skelter and then we can lol quote];)



    Ooohhh Check You :)

    I removed some post to heighten comedic value
    But hey comedy is subjective..........get me a webcam a drum kit and a better track and I'll do the deed.Then no one will laugh more than myself I guarantee.But I'm not an ex member of a band who allegedly changed the world.
    No apologise,dislike them with a passion which increases with age.But each to their own.

    yeah cos "ringo starr lol" is indeed the paradigm of comedy :)

    you can dislike them all you want but what you are doing is bashing them without knowing anything about them... and thats pure ignorance... to dismiss the beatles as a mere boyband is like saying Pearl Jam were just money hungry grunge wannabees formed to quickly latch on to a new fad.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dirtyT
    dirtyT Posts: 3,620
    lots of credit, but the stones are better.....in my humble opinion
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    dirtyT wrote:
    lots of credit, but the stones are better.....in my humble opinion


    better at what?
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • stargirl69
    stargirl69 Posts: 6,387
    dunkman wrote:
    better at what?




    Watch that hypertension dunkman.Chill out its only opinions.
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  • stargirl69
    stargirl69 Posts: 6,387
    dunkman wrote:
    Pearl Jam were just money hungry grunge wannabees formed to quickly latch on to a new fad.




    Oohhh we agree!Thats what I think of them too! *puts on fire retardent suit in preparation for scorching*

    Now this is fun.
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    stargirl69 wrote:
    Watch that hypertension dunkman.Chill out its only opinions.

    aye i know, but i thought this thread was about whether the beatles deserve the credit they get bestowed upon them... so saying the Stones were better.. i didnt know at what? at receiving credit? as a band? i presume the dude means he prefers the Stones music, but then thats not what the thread is about in the slightest so i wondered if he meant better at breaking musical barriers than the Beatles.

    i mean, i'm not a fan of Hendrix... but at least i realise his place in music... same with Bob Dylan.. does very little for me... but i realise his importance to the music world.

    thats what i'd like to hear from the likes of yourself when you say shit about the beatles... fine you dont like their music, but to ridicule them and deny them their importance in musical history is kinda infantile blinkered behaviour... in my opinion ;)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.

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