Nirvana Haters F**k Off!

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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    No. I'm entitled to hate them. I don't go about making threads saying nirvana lovers fuck off, my reason being that it's your choice to like them in much the same way as it's my choice not to. Incidentally, one of my reasons for not liking them is the fact that Kurt was so intolerant of things that weren't to his taste. does it run in his fans too?
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    DOSW wrote:
    I've never heard In Utero before I finally started listening to my brother's copy a few days ago. I always thought Nevermind was horribly overrated, but In Utero is pretty sweet through my first few listens.

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    soulsinging wrote:
    dying young immortalized kurt and polarized his legacy.


    No. He died. He didn't immortalize anything.
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  • gue_barium
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    soulsinging wrote:
    dying young immortalized kurt and polarized his legacy. it made them bigger than they ever would have been had he lived and kept turning out music. at the same time though, it deprived us of a lot of great music that i have no doubt would have vastly exceeded anything on nevermind.

    Nirvana was huge when Cobain died. His death, if anything, made the music less than what it was.
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  • Boom The Cat
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    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    No. I'm entitled to hate them. I don't go about making threads saying nirvana lovers fuck off, my reason being that it's your choice to like them in much the same way as it's my choice not to. Incidentally, one of my reasons for not liking them is the fact that Kurt was so intolerant of things that weren't to his taste. does it run in his fans too?

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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    gue_barium wrote:
    No. He died. He didn't immortalize anything.


    yes you're right, kurt didn't immortalise anything. that was left to the media and his fans. and his detractors. his death guaranteed an intense interest in nirvana's music.as did those that refused to allow him a quiet death.
    everytime i see amagazine with kurt cobain on the cover i buy it. i know i will learn nothing new from the article, but it is reflex i can't help. nirvana are my favourite band, have been for a bloody long time and as far as i can see they will remain so for a very long time, if not til the day i die. i don't deify kurt cobain cause i know he had some fucked up issues to deal with. i take his music for what it was, but more importantly for what it means to to me. i don't agree that nirvana haters should fuck off, but by the same token i don't really understand why nirvana and especially kurt generate such polarity. sure he said some shit that he can't take back or clarify. and we have no more music with which we can judge any maturity with. they were a band of their time and they remain of that time. but the fact remains love them or hate them, nirvana were and still are an influential band. that can not be denied.
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  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    thank you for starting this thread.

    i like Nirvana a lot, sadly i cannot say the same about you. :p
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    Nirvana was huge when Cobain died. His death, if anything, made the music less than what it was.

    this is patently false. before kurt died, pearl jam was a MUCH bigger band. they outsold nirvana, sold more concert tickets, got more airplay, and were better liked by critics and fans. once kurt pulled the trigger though, all that changed. suddenly it was nirvana who were the grunge gods and pearl jam who were the grumpy wanna be imitators. months of magazines lamenting kurt were released. books, conspiracy theories, etc. it was just like when jim morrison died. it made kurt a mythically tortured legend, whereas before he was just a grunge icon that they were waiting to see what happened to.

    it's the classic only the good die young thing... james dean, jim morrison, jimi hendrix, nirvana, etc. you go in your prime and there is nothing mediocre to taint it. that's why the beatles are consistently rated higher than the stones. they broke up before they turned out a decade's worth of mediocre albums and john died before they could do any who-like crappy reunion tours. it's why brad nowell and sublime are punk/ska gods and nobody knows who rancid is. and it's why pearl jam will never be able to approach nirvana in terms of mass appeal... becos nirvana never had a chance to release a 'riot act'.
  • catefrances
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    soulsinging wrote:
    it's the classic only the good die young thing... james dean, jim morrison, jimi hendrix, nirvana, etc. you go in your prime and there is nothing mediocre to taint it. that's why the beatles are consistently rated higher than the stones. they broke up before they turned out a decade's worth of mediocre albums and john died before they could do any who-like crappy reunion tours. it's why brad nowell and sublime are punk/ska gods and nobody knows who rancid is. and it's why pearl jam will never be able to approach nirvana in terms of mass appeal... becos nirvana never had a chance to release a 'riot act'.

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  • culot4
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    Brainofdz wrote:
    You got me there. It was real late when I posted and I just wanted to have some interesting responses to look foward to for today.

    So some of my thoughts on Nirvana

    They were the most important band of my generation. Without them I might still be listening to Aerosmith, GNR, and Metallica.I may never have been turned on to classic indie, not to mention punk and grunge.

    They started a tital wave in my life that I feel strongly to this day. It wasn't just about the songs which are amazing. It was an attitude, a philosophy.

    Was some of it an illusion in my head?
    Probably

    But nonetheless, everytime I listen to Nirvana, I feel that fire burning bright and proud. Every time I see a picture Of Kurt I feel a profound sadness. He was my hero, and what he did was unforgivable.

    but I'm not going to sit by and listen to a bunch of assholes who probably don't know shit about music, piss all over him and Nirvana

    not without having my say

    Pretty corny stuff. Is a tital wave more destructive than a tidal wave?
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  • Hitch-Hiker
    Hitch-Hiker Posts: 2,873
    I used to like them, but my friends sorta jumped on the bandwagon when we were 14 and I had them rammed down my throat by my other band members for about 3 years. Now I'm not such a big fan. Every so often I like to listen to Nevermind though. It's still decent.
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  • verb_to_trust
    verb_to_trust Posts: 178
    There are three kinds of people that hate Nirvana:

    1.)The people that jsut don't liek the music

    2.) The people that are pearl jam fans and had penis envy in the early 90's because Nirvana got a lot of credit in the media.

    3.) The people that refuse to like anything that a large amount of other people like just to add to the "indie cred" or whatever


    I have no problem with group number 1 but 2 and 3 are a bunch of twats that are a black eye on pearl jam's fan community. Ed likes Nirvana.........he even says Nevermind is better than Ten. So does that mean that Ten is extremely overrated?

    Its perfectly okay to not like a certian band but its the people that allow bullshit to enter into that equation that just need to go away. Bunch of losers.....
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    I saw them live at Reading, in 1991. They were good. Not great, but good.
  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    mattosborne wrote:
    I credit Nirvana with solidifying the death of the mainstream popularity of garbage 80s rock. For that, i'm forever grateful.


    tho i respect your opinion i think Nirvana gets too much credit for the change of music in the 90's...the media just slapped them with the label of revolutionizing music and everyone followed right behind in line when the change was coming regardless
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    I agree with ^. Nirvana is insanely overrated. Kurt isnt that talented of a guitarist, and their music isn't anything mindblowing. Ten >>>>>> Nevermind, and thats not because I'm a "pearljam fanboy". It's what I like. Although I do like Nirvana, I hate all the credit they are awarded with because they weren't anything like The Beatles who "changed music forever". Nirvana is a good band, but I could definitely live without them. The problem is lots of the music that I love would be different if it weren't for them, so I respect them for that. Still, INSANELY overrated, and Nevermind is not THAT great of an album.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    I agree with ^. Nirvana is insanely overrated. Kurt isnt that talented of a guitarist, and their music isn't anything mindblowing. Ten >>>>>> Nevermind, and thats not because I'm a "pearljam fanboy". It's what I like. Although I do like Nirvana, I hate all the credit they are awarded with because they weren't anything like The Beatles who "changed music forever". Nirvana is a good band, but I could definitely live without them. The problem is lots of the music that I love would be different if it weren't for them, so I respect them for that. Still, INSANELY overrated, and Nevermind is not THAT great of an album.

    yes but it IS possible most of us would never have heard of pearl jam if smells like teen spirit hadnt become the gigantic hit it was.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    soulsinging wrote:
    yes but it IS possible most of us would never have heard of pearl jam if smells like teen spirit hadnt become the gigantic hit it was.

    yeah thats why I said "The problem is lots of the music that I love would be different if it weren't for them, so I respect them for that."

    lol

    didnt only mean different but I also meant like we wouldnt hear about it and lots of shit like that.
  • Lost_Clay
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  • Brainofdz
    Brainofdz Posts: 1,617
    Coathanger Halos wrote:
    I absolutley do not like Nirvana...why does it matter to you?

    With the shitty metal I hear you talk about, I'm glad you don't like them

    btw, nothing personal
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  • Brainofdz
    Brainofdz Posts: 1,617
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    No. I'm entitled to hate them. I don't go about making threads saying nirvana lovers fuck off, my reason being that it's your choice to like them in much the same way as it's my choice not to. Incidentally, one of my reasons for not liking them is the fact that Kurt was so intolerant of things that weren't to his taste. does it run in his fans too?

    You wanna talk about intolerance. When I don't like a band or an issue, I might take an occasional dig at them. On the other hand, I'm forced everyday to read such obcessively biased slander on my heroes, that I've had enough. I can't understand the giddy pleasure these fools get in trashing Nirvana.

    Is it because Kurt said something about Eddie and Pearl Jam, or that Nirvana were more of the critics darlings? Well those are petty reasons to hate a historic band. Kurt eventually apologized to Eddie and it was forgiven. Why can't you people let it go?
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