Has anyone become famous, and not bought a mansion?

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  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    inmytree wrote:

    Do you have a house or apartment....? if so, how does it make you a "happy"...? or are you a sellout because you don't live in a tent...or is that selling out, too....?

    alls I know is Happiness is two bowls of Ice Cream, finding a Nickle, Tying your Shoe for the Very First time....


    You on LSD? I havent uttered one word about selling out. Nor did I suggest anyone should live in a tent in this thread. Its great to debate on stuff and to talk about issues, but I find it impossible to discuss anything with anyone when you are having an imaginary conversation with me, reguarding things that were never uttered.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    this is so stupid.

    Its like trying to tell someone the sky is blue and they keep saying, no its maroon.

    I have tried again and again to say I understood why people move out of their small houses once they get famous. In fact i said that in my first post. I said I understood. I even said there is a genuine threat of people killing or assaulting celebrities.

    Yet this thread is made up not, of constructive insights into why or why not people do this, but bashing my thread and saying I am an idiot or I am insensitive to peoples need for privacy.

    What do you want from me.

    This board has some great people, and its a board dedicated to a great band, but alot of you are pretty insensitive.

    If a person disagrees with the band or with an idea, its bash so and so time.

    And lets be real here. Lets be honest with each other. The whole idea of suburbs came out of the fear of blacks and crime. Thats the truth, whether you folks want to mock me or not, its fact. White flight, urban decay, crime, racism, gentrification.

    So excuse me for suggesting

    I dont tow the party line and never will reguardless of if I am bullied on this board or elsewhere. I dont agree with PJ all the time, and I dont think they are above criticism. If they do something I dislike I aint gonna lie, I will say what I think. But the thread isnt about PJ, its about society, and how modern society is.

    When people get wealthy they move to a big house away from other folks, and around people like them. That may be human nature or normal, I just find it odd.

    The fact you all seem to see it as no big deal is even more the point of the post.

    I dont know, maybe I am different, I just think, you make a million bucks, and you buy a house, maybe a new sportscar, but what does it all do for you?

    Dont pretend you havent all seen Mtv's Cribs. Its more than, "I am proud of my house and my success", its showboating. Its showing off. Its status.

    I understand but I also disagree.

    I weep for your burden as the great martyr exposing the white man's lies.

    If you make a million bucks and buy a nice house and a car you enjoy driving... what's so awful about that? For every one star on cribs there are 10,000 rich people that don't do this and just try to live comfortably.

    White suburban flight happened 40 years ago. People move to the suburbs now for better schools, more room, and less crime. Is that so hard to understand? Should we all put our children into a house next to crackheads and pedophiles just to prove to you that we're not elitist racists?

    People aren't jumping on you because you're saying something different, people are jumping on you for making sweeping, unbased generalizations about people you don't know, have never met, and that face pressures and realities you never can and will understand.

    I'd ask what YOU think they should do with their money, but since you've admittedly never held a job in your life, I rather doubt you have any experience in handling bills and finances.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    the whole idea of subdivisions and suburbs. That lets move away from "the others". While I dont necessarily think thats the case here, its an interesting idea.

    How about the issue of race. What about the african americans who grow up in squalor and make it out, take Tupac for example. Or Biggie. Its interesting indeed how they came out of a bad situation, a horrific situation and moved away, yet their music was about and for, people in the situations they escaped. You dont find that interesting?

    Further, making money, and being a big star like biggie and tupac, you start to get accepted into white culture. How does that mesh with the radical messages both brought to the table? The fact they were living large, while all the while speaking to, and for impoverished people? Would a gated community welcome a Tupac or Biggie? What would be the reaction?

    Its a complicated issue. Its more deep than privacy or success or wealth. Thus the reason why I started the thread.

    Have you listened to their songs? It's all about escaping the horrific conditions of those neighborhoods. So when they got the money to do so, that's what they did. How is this confusing or shocking? The very lyrics explain why they moved out.

    It's not complicated or deep, you just want it to be to fit your agenda of ranting about the white man. Ironically, you use examples of BLACK folks becoming wealthy and not wanting to live in bad neighborhoods.
  • chromiamchromiam Posts: 4,114
    I weep for your burden as the great martyr exposing the white man's lies.

    If you make a million bucks and buy a nice house and a car you enjoy driving... what's so awful about that? For every one star on cribs there are 10,000 rich people that don't do this and just try to live comfortably.

    White suburban flight happened 40 years ago. People move to the suburbs now for better schools, more room, and less crime. Is that so hard to understand? Should we all put our children into a house next to crackheads and pedophiles just to prove to you that we're not elitist racists?

    People aren't jumping on you because you're saying something different, people are jumping on you for making sweeping, unbased generalizations about people you don't know, have never met, and that face pressures and realities you never can and will understand.

    I'd ask what YOU think they should do with their money, but since you've admittedly never held a job in your life, I rather doubt you have any experience in handling bills and finances.

    That about sums it up... people move to the suburbs for a myriad of reasons most of which have to do with making a better life for themselves or their families. Many struggle to better their situation whether they are self employed, punching in 9 to 5, or just the guy who works two jobs to make sure his kids live in a nice house and go to a nice school.
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    I've never understood the fascination with huge mansions...aside from ego, what's the point?
    I mean...a family of four can comfortably live in a house that's like 1200SF....if you want 'more space'....something between 2-3000SF should be plenty...if you want a somewhat decadent lifestyle...5-6000SF is a BIG house (I know a guy with a 7000SF house, and it's a joke how much wasted space there is).....so I really don't understand the appeal of these MASSIVE multi-million dollar homes. I bet these people go months without even entering half the rooms in their homes. Hey, it's their money, and if they own a house like that, it's no object....but I still think they're idiots...
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    yeah but there is always an exception. Fugazi and The Flaming Lips as has been mentioned.

    "but I still got love for the streets" anyone heard that line before? how about "my block".

    Its not just black and white. pun not intended. in the case of hip hop, it seems to me, the hip hop artists have an intense and personal relationship to the people and the places they grew up in. So far be it for me to suggest they would be conflicted after getting money and success.

    I know absurd of me to even bring it up. Like I said, how do you all like the maroon sky?

    but soulsinging, these moves the suburbs also are a seperation. Its fact. Whether people want to discuss it or not, its steeped in racism, overt and covert. People want to be with people who look like them. Again, its not cut and dried as people are making it seem.

    Racism plays a role, so does status and the act of social identity and community, ignorance plays a role. Socialization plays a role.

    Its long been a discussion in black culture about black vs white culture, to be black and to be wealthy. If you are the head of Time Warner and black, how do you negociate that? Is it a struggle to fit in with blacks? With whites?

    I read an entire book made up of famous people's writing on race and how race played a role in their lives. Facinating read.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741


    You on LSD? I havent uttered one word about selling out. Nor did I suggest anyone should live in a tent in this thread. Its great to debate on stuff and to talk about issues, but I find it impossible to discuss anything with anyone when you are having an imaginary conversation with me, reguarding things that were never uttered.

    ha ha ha.... :lol:

    You uttered your disappointment pertaining to someone purchasing a larger home after said person reaped some success...I'm simply wondering if you happen to live in a home or a tent...if you live in a house, do you happen to feel guilty for doing so...? perhaps you still live at home with your parents...if that's the case, it makes sense why you would find it disappointing if someone moves on up like that punkass George Jefferson...
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
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    yeah but there is always an exception. Fugazi and The Flaming Lips as has been mentioned.

    "but I still got love for the streets" anyone heard that line before? how about "my block".

    Its not just black and white. pun not intended. in the case of hip hop, it seems to me, the hip hop artists have an intense and personal relationship to the people and the places they grew up in. So far be it for me to suggest they would be conflicted after getting money and success.

    I know absurd of me to even bring it up. Like I said, how do you all like the maroon sky?

    but soulsinging, these moves the suburbs also are a seperation. Its fact. Whether people want to discuss it or not, its steeped in racism, overt and covert. People want to be with people who look like them. Again, its not cut and dried as people are making it seem.

    Racism plays a role, so does status and the act of social identity and community, ignorance plays a role. Socialization plays a role.

    Its long been a discussion in black culture about black vs white culture, to be black and to be wealthy. If you are the head of Time Warner and black, how do you negociate that? Is it a struggle to fit in with blacks? With whites?

    I read an entire book made up of famous people's writing on race and how race played a role in their lives. Facinating read.

    Oh, you read a book? I take it all back then. I'm sure after reading that book, you know better than the black community why the move out of the ghetto. You should go down there and start telling them that they should stay in those poor, crime-riddled areas because it's "who they are" and that they shouldn't move out to safer suburban neighborhoods with better schools so that they can enjoy the fruits of their hard work and provide a better life for their kids. Tell them they belong in the ghetto where they were born. Tell them the suburbs are reserved for white racists and that it's wrong for them to want to be successful and move out of their shitty neighborhoods.

    And after that, why don't you tell us what these people SHOULD do with their money?

    This isn't the 1950's kid. The suburbs are integrated. I even went to private school with some colored folks! Imagine that! Of course, we didn't accept them because we knew they weren't really our kind. :roll:
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  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    you dont want to get me started on the issue of houses. I do rent an apartment, but I am very much a radical and my own opinion of whether houses or apartments are needed are numerous on this board. I am a radical/anarchist commie socialist. So yes, while I do not live in a tent, I do think this economic crisis is a result of the overall greed of humanity. I dont think buying houses or buying anything is a solution, to any problem, whether its the emptiness one feels or as a solution offered by economists as to what needs to be done to "save" our way of life.

    I am not wealthy, and my outlook on life, and my ideals, and my morals make it so its hard for me to rationalize the buying of mansions were I ever able to get said money.

    I also know I am not the only person who feels this way, although often it feel like I am. The thread was about that. I know I am not alone on thinking that success and wealth doesnt by happiness. That buying a mansion with an elevator and having butlers and having a movie theater in your home, doesnt mean a damn thing.

    The thread was about those people. the people who see past the garbage thrown at them via ads and tv and everyone in general every single day. The idea that you arent worth a damn if you arent swimming in money or you dont have an ipod or you dont own a BMW.

    The fact Fugazi and Flaming Lips are all that are offered as counterexamples, is even more of the point. The dominant paradigm is the same everywhere. You go to school, get a job, get married, settle down, retire and die. Thats the way its been for ages, since at least the industrial revolution started. And if you are lucky enough to be born rich or create something that is a big deal and you aquire fame and wealth, you are supposed to buy a bunch of items, big houses, multiple houses, a yacht, a fancy car.

    That way of life is boring. I will never be one of them. And never want to be. Its sterile and mundane. I am far more interested in people who dont follow that perscribed way of life. Who buck the system. Who do whatever they feel like doing, just for the hell of it. Who dont give a damn about status or wealth.

    Those are my values and morals. Obviously it places me in conflict with most of the dominant culture.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    you dont want to get me started on the issue of houses. I do rent an apartment, but I am very much a radical and my own opinion of whether houses or apartments are needed are numerous on this board. I am a radical/anarchist commie socialist. So yes, while I do not live in a tent, I do think this economic crisis is a result of the overall greed of humanity. I dont think buying houses or buying anything is a solution, to any problem, whether its the emptiness one feels or as a solution offered by economists as to what needs to be done to "save" our way of life.

    I am not wealthy, and my outlook on life, and my ideals, and my morals make it so its hard for me to rationalize the buying of mansions were I ever able to get said money.

    I also know I am not the only person who feels this way, although often it feel like I am. The thread was about that. I know I am not alone on thinking that success and wealth doesnt by happiness. That buying a mansion with an elevator and having butlers and having a movie theater in your home, doesnt mean a damn thing.

    The thread was about those people. the people who see past the garbage thrown at them via ads and tv and everyone in general every single day. The idea that you arent worth a damn if you arent swimming in money or you dont have an ipod or you dont own a BMW.

    The fact Fugazi and Flaming Lips are all that are offered as counterexamples, is even more of the point. The dominant paradigm is the same everywhere. You go to school, get a job, get married, settle down, retire and die. Thats the way its been for ages, since at least the industrial revolution started. And if you are lucky enough to be born rich or create something that is a big deal and you aquire fame and wealth, you are supposed to buy a bunch of items, big houses, multiple houses, a yacht, a fancy car.

    That way of life is boring. I will never be one of them. And never want to be. Its sterile and mundane. I am far more interested in people who dont follow that perscribed way of life. Who buck the system. Who do whatever they feel like doing, just for the hell of it. Who dont give a damn about status or wealth.

    Those are my values and morals. Obviously it places me in conflict with most of the dominant culture.

    The problem is not your values, the problem is that you pass judgment on those that do not share them. So you find certain lifestyles "boring." Does that make it wrong for other people to be happy with them? I know you want to live on a hippie commune... I'd fucking hate that. Sounds awful to me. I don't think you're wrong for wanting to live that way though. I DO think you're wrong for insinuating that I'm a racist or a bad person for not wanting to live the exact same way you do.
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    gobrowns19 wrote:

    Is it really different sides of the coin?

    George was attacked in his own mansion.....
    Lennon lived in a high-rise....very public...enough so that his assassin walked up to him on a public street...after Harrison walled himself up in his mansion...but the same shit happened to him
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116

    Oh, you read a book? I take it all back then. I'm sure after reading that book, you know better than the black community why the move out of the ghetto. You should go down there and start telling them that they should stay in those poor, crime-riddled areas because it's "who they are" and that they shouldn't move out to safer suburban neighborhoods with better schools so that they can enjoy the fruits of their hard work and provide a better life for their kids. Tell them they belong in the ghetto where they were born. Tell them the suburbs are reserved for white racists and that it's wrong for them to want to be successful and move out of their shitty neighborhoods.

    And after that, why don't you tell us what these people SHOULD do with their money?

    This isn't the 1950's kid. The suburbs are integrated.

    Soulsinging, I have asked you in the past and I am doing it again. Stop with the facesious crap and the sarcasm. You know damn well I didnt say that.

    I said I read a book about identity and race because people on this thread were suggesting that people in the inner city if they attain wealth and fame leave because they are escaping horrific situations.

    I said I read a book that was solely first person accounts of famous people, discussion fame and wealth and race. It is one of the more interesting books I have ever read. And it goes counter to the idea "its only about leaving the bad situation behind".

    People on this thread were saying it was all so simple. My statement about the book was meant to offer a counterexample of why it isnt so simple. The book discussed how someone like Samuel L Jackson or Colin Powell attained wealth and success and how race and identifying with whites or blacks affected them.

    The book wasnt written by me, it was written by others, so yeah i do feel I have some knowledge on the subject, as it was specifically a book on race, identity, class, and social status. Of course that has no bearing on the topic at hand right...
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116

    The problem is not your values, the problem is that you pass judgment on those that do not share them. So you find certain lifestyles "boring." Does that make it wrong for other people to be happy with them? I know you want to live on a hippie commune... I'd fucking hate that. Sounds awful to me. I don't think you're wrong for wanting to live that way though. I DO think you're wrong for insinuating that I'm a racist or a bad person for not wanting to live the exact same way you do.


    And you dont pass judgement on others? You dont judge others? Your completely judgement free eh? Didnt you just pass judgement on me, by telling me I was ignorant and that just because I read a book that I knew what I was talking about.

    Again, I have no problem discussing issues, but when people talk out of both sides of their mouth its kind of annoying and rather silly. Its not like I didnt include myself in the equation. You can read right? The part about where I said I lived in an apartment? You skip over that soulsinging?

    And its not up to me to decide who lives where and how.

    I find it silly to think we can continue to build new houses, and build new highways, and all that. Its inconcievable in fact. You can choose to look at facts or you can ignore them.

    I was saying, that i unlike alot of people feel the economic crisis wont go away in a few months and that it isnt due to the unemployment rate rising and interest rates rising. I dont think we will somehow magically be better once those things drop. I think its a much more systemic problem.

    If you want to think that resources are endless, and that society and continue to expand and build, then thats your own deal. I hope that works out well for you. I deal in the real world, with real facts. And I quite like it like that.
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116

    The problem is not your values, the problem is that you pass judgment on those that do not share them. So you find certain lifestyles "boring." Does that make it wrong for other people to be happy with them? I know you want to live on a hippie commune... I'd fucking hate that. Sounds awful to me. I don't think you're wrong for wanting to live that way though. I DO think you're wrong for insinuating that I'm a racist or a bad person for not wanting to live the exact same way you do.


    I do think your wrong as well. Not for not wanting to live in a commune, but for continually disagreeing with everything I say, most times, just for the sheer sick joy you get out of disagreeing. I have my share of political threads on the board, and can think of multiple times you have bashed my ideas and called me names. I cant think of a single time, you disagreed with my ideas but said it in a constructive manner. I dont like to be mocked for my ideas. So you dont want to follow me and have the world go back to hunting and gathering. Thats fine by me, but it gets old when every single time I post a political thread, you sit on your ivory tower and bash me, just for the hell of it. I cant think of a single idea you have ever said "you know, your right on this, but I disagree about that". Its always "I am sure you know better than black people" and all that garbage.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202

    And you dont pass judgement on others? You dont judge others? Your completely judgement free eh? Didnt you just pass judgement on me, by telling me I was ignorant and that just because I read a book that I knew what I was talking about.

    Again, I have no problem discussing issues, but when people talk out of both sides of their mouth its kind of annoying and rather silly. Its not like I didnt include myself in the equation. You can read right? The part about where I said I lived in an apartment? You skip over that soulsinging?

    And its not up to me to decide who lives where and how.

    I find it silly to think we can continue to build new houses, and build new highways, and all that. Its inconcievable in fact. You can choose to look at facts or you can ignore them.

    I was saying, that i unlike alot of people feel the economic crisis wont go away in a few months and that it isnt due to the unemployment rate rising and interest rates rising. I dont think we will somehow magically be better once those things drop. I think its a much more systemic problem.

    If you want to think that resources are endless, and that society and continue to expand and build, then thats your own deal. I hope that works out well for you. I deal in the real world, with real facts. And I quite like it like that.

    I don't care where you live, that's why I didn't comment on it. How you choose to live your life is your own damn business, not mine. But you seem to think that rock stars and rappers buying big houses IS your business. You seem to think me having a house in the suburbs IS your business, and you went one further in labeling such people racists. So if you're going to make those claims, back them up. What should they do spend their money on, if it's wrong for them to buy a nice house with their money? Where do I have to live to prove that I'm not a racist?
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    I said I read a book that was solely first person accounts of famous people, discussion fame and wealth and race. It is one of the more interesting books I have ever read. And it goes counter to the idea "its only about leaving the bad situation behind".

    Well then, why DO they move out of shit neighborhoods and into mansions?
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    i would love it one time if on a political thread I started you went "i disagree with x and y and z, but I think your ideas about such and such are interesting". But I aint holding my breath. I dont want people saying they agree with me all the time, but again, when as is the case with soulsinging, its I disagree with you 100 percent of the time, its hard not to be disappointed to see their name on a thread you started.

    Id love to hear your ideas pal, but thats another thing I find boring. People arguing just for the hell of it.

    I would wager you could admit to yourself, maybe not to the board, that i am not just an armchair revolutionary. That I have ideas, and that I am educated. That I studied sociology and am well read. ''

    But somehow that all gets lost, when you continually act like I am some madman shouting in the streets. We go way back, we have been talking on this board for years, yet you act like I am some person who doesnt deserve to have their voice heard. THAT to me is the disappointment
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    you dont want to get me started on the issue of houses. I do rent an apartment, but I am very much a radical and my own opinion of whether houses or apartments are needed are numerous on this board. I am a radical/anarchist commie socialist. So yes, while I do not live in a tent, I do think this economic crisis is a result of the overall greed of humanity. I dont think buying houses or buying anything is a solution, to any problem, whether its the emptiness one feels or as a solution offered by economists as to what needs to be done to "save" our way of life.

    I am not wealthy, and my outlook on life, and my ideals, and my morals make it so its hard for me to rationalize the buying of mansions were I ever able to get said money.

    I also know I am not the only person who feels this way, although often it feel like I am. The thread was about that. I know I am not alone on thinking that success and wealth doesnt by happiness. That buying a mansion with an elevator and having butlers and having a movie theater in your home, doesnt mean a damn thing.

    The thread was about those people. the people who see past the garbage thrown at them via ads and tv and everyone in general every single day. The idea that you arent worth a damn if you arent swimming in money or you dont have an ipod or you dont own a BMW.

    The fact Fugazi and Flaming Lips are all that are offered as counterexamples, is even more of the point. The dominant paradigm is the same everywhere. You go to school, get a job, get married, settle down, retire and die. Thats the way its been for ages, since at least the industrial revolution started. And if you are lucky enough to be born rich or create something that is a big deal and you aquire fame and wealth, you are supposed to buy a bunch of items, big houses, multiple houses, a yacht, a fancy car.

    That way of life is boring. I will never be one of them. And never want to be. Its sterile and mundane. I am far more interested in people who dont follow that perscribed way of life. Who buck the system. Who do whatever they feel like doing, just for the hell of it. Who dont give a damn about status or wealth.

    Those are my values and morals. Obviously it places me in conflict with most of the dominant culture.

    you have an interesting perspective...you seem to be under the impression that purchasing something = happiness for some...

    you say: I am far more interested in people who dont follow that perscribed way of life. Who buck the system. Who do whatever they feel like doing, just for the hell of it. Who dont give a damn about status or wealth.

    perhaps those who purchase bmw's, yachts, and Ipods feel like doing whatever they fell like doing just for the hell of it...perhaps they don't give a damn about status or wealth...you just assume they do...

    for me, I choose to live in house...the main reason is that I want to play my music as loud as I want to when I want to, it's a pretty nice perk....I'm serious...
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116

    I don't care where you live, that's why I didn't comment on it. How you choose to live your life is your own damn business, not mine. But you seem to think that rock stars and rappers buying big houses IS your business. You seem to think me having a house in the suburbs IS your business, and you went one further in labeling such people racists. So if you're going to make those claims, back them up. What should they do spend their money on, if it's wrong for them to buy a nice house with their money? Where do I have to live to prove that I'm not a racist?


    So white flight, gentrification and subdivisions, has no bearing on race? You think its crazy to link them to race? I do think those things I listed above are racism. How could they not be? Blacks move from the south when the southern cotton empire runs out, and move to the cities. The cities are made up of whites, who then flee to the suburbs and rural surroundings. How is that not tied in to racism?
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    I do think your wrong as well. Not for not wanting to live in a commune, but for continually disagreeing with everything I say, most times, just for the sheer sick joy you get out of disagreeing. I have my share of political threads on the board, and can think of multiple times you have bashed my ideas and called me names. I cant think of a single time, you disagreed with my ideas but said it in a constructive manner. I dont like to be mocked for my ideas. So you dont want to follow me and have the world go back to hunting and gathering. Thats fine by me, but it gets old when every single time I post a political thread, you sit on your ivory tower and bash me, just for the hell of it. I cant think of a single idea you have ever said "you know, your right on this, but I disagree about that". Its always "I am sure you know better than black people" and all that garbage.

    I don't disagree for the sake of disagreeing. I disagree because it gets old to constantly read your threads ranting about "the white man this" and "the white man" that. Not EVERYTHING that happens in the world is some insidious racist plot to keep the black man down. And I'm tired of your posts insinuating that people that don't want to go live on a commune with you are all shallow and greedy racists. Because it simply isn't true.

    Buying stuff doesn't make me happy. But you know what does make me happy? A nice hot shower with running water. A tv where I can watch the Detroit Tigers play baseball. Running around the woods naked digging for berries would not make me happy. I don't overdo it, but I do live comfortably. I don't have a house, I have an apartment. But I did grow up in the suburbs, and I was happy to have a nice school and to be able to ride my bike to the park without having to dodge drug dealers. Sue me.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202

    So white flight, gentrification and subdivisions, has no bearing on race? You think its crazy to link them to race? I do think those things I listed above are racism. How could they not be? Blacks move from the south when the southern cotton empire runs out, and move to the cities. The cities are made up of whites, who then flee to the suburbs and rural surroundings. How is that not tied in to racism?

    It is. It was also 50 years ago. The suburbs are pretty well established by now. In fact, the latest trend is white people moving back INTO the cities. Meanwhile, plenty of successful African-Americans have moved out to suburbs and this has not caused any white flight from the suburbs. So what does race have to do with this TODAY?

    And you still haven't answered my question... what should rappers and rock stars do with their money, if they're not supposed to spend it on a nice house or car?
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    inmytree wrote:

    you have an interesting perspective...you seem to be under the impression that purchasing something = happiness for some...

    you say: I am far more interested in people who dont follow that perscribed way of life. Who buck the system. Who do whatever they feel like doing, just for the hell of it. Who dont give a damn about status or wealth.

    perhaps those who purchase bmw's, yachts, and Ipods feel like doing whatever they fell like doing just for the hell of it...perhaps they don't give a damn about status or wealth...you just assume they do...

    for me, I choose to live in house...the main reason is that I want to play my music as loud as I want to when I want to, it's a pretty nice perk....I'm serious...


    A few years back oprah talked to the grandaughter of Warren Buffet one of the richest men in the world. She had dreadlocks, was an artist and was clearly a person who viewed the world differently. Oprah asked her "what would happen if your grandfather decided to not leave you any money". The grandaughter said she would be very disappointed.

    And yes I do think the dominant idea in our society is this: "you buy things and you feel better". Turn on the goddamned tv for christsakes. Every single commercial is about how your life will be perfect if you have this product. So obviously someone believes this.

    And how many people have you ever heard say this: "I want to be a musician, but I dont want to be rich and famous", or "I want to be an actor, but I dont care about being a big deal movie star".

    I dont equate success and wealth with happiness. In fact I couldnt disagree more with the idea. Its others who believe this.
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    its the foundation of everything. Doesnt the bible talk about being fruitful and multiplying. Consuming is the way of the world.
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    Susan Lucci grew up in the same town I'm from. We had the same drama teacher. Her daughter was in my grade. Susan still lives in the town she grew up in. A nice house? Sure. Gated? Nope.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
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    A few years back oprah talked to the grandaughter of Warren Buffet one of the richest men in the world. She had dreadlocks, was an artist and was clearly a person who viewed the world differently. Oprah asked her "what would happen if your grandfather decided to not leave you any money". The grandaughter said she would be very disappointed.

    And yes I do think the dominant idea in our society is this: "you buy things and you feel better". Turn on the goddamned tv for christsakes. Every single commercial is about how your life will be perfect if you have this product. So obviously someone believes this.

    And how many people have you ever heard say this: "I want to be a musician, but I dont want to be rich and famous", or "I want to be an actor, but I dont care about being a big deal movie star".

    I dont equate success and wealth with happiness. In fact I couldnt disagree more with the idea. Its others who believe this.

    that must have been one heck of a moving Oprah to have stayed with you this long....heck, I don't remember what I watched last night...perhaps you should be the one turning off the goddamned tv...

    I do notice you ignored the majority of my post...perhaps those who purchase bmw's, yachts, and Ipods feel like doing whatever they fell like doing just for the hell of it...perhaps they don't give a damn about status or wealth...you just assume they do...
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  • LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    I remember Dave Chappelle saying that he lives in a house in Ohio that costs less than a million dollars.
    That's the same guy who walked away from $50 million contract.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    i would love it one time if on a political thread I started you went "i disagree with x and y and z, but I think your ideas about such and such are interesting". But I aint holding my breath. I dont want people saying they agree with me all the time, but again, when as is the case with soulsinging, its I disagree with you 100 percent of the time, its hard not to be disappointed to see their name on a thread you started.

    Id love to hear your ideas pal, but thats another thing I find boring. People arguing just for the hell of it.

    I would wager you could admit to yourself, maybe not to the board, that i am not just an armchair revolutionary. That I have ideas, and that I am educated. That I studied sociology and am well read. ''

    But somehow that all gets lost, when you continually act like I am some madman shouting in the streets. We go way back, we have been talking on this board for years, yet you act like I am some person who doesnt deserve to have their voice heard. THAT to me is the disappointment

    When you have an interesting idea that wasn't stolen outright from Ishmael, I will tell you. Why would I "admit" that you're educated and well read? I don't know you and have no clue how educated or read you are. You keep thinking this is personal. It's not. It's just that I find the ideas you continuously advance to be pretty ridiculous. I know you won't believe it, but I used to think and talk the exact same way. I read Ishmael and smoked mountains of pot in high school and college too, and it was damned easy to be a "revolutionary" back then when you don't have bills to pay. You remind me of me about 10 years ago. But the stuff you're talking about now just won't work in real life.

    And just so you know it's not just you, talk to Drifting. He and I go at it constantly in the Moving Train. Nothing personal about it. I just think his ideas are nuts. As are yours. Nothing personal man. Sorry.
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    the whole idea of subdivisions and suburbs. That lets move away from "the others". While I dont necessarily think thats the case here, its an interesting idea.

    How about the issue of race. What about the african americans who grow up in squalor and make it out, take Tupac for example. Or Biggie. Its interesting indeed how they came out of a bad situation, a horrific situation and moved away, yet their music was about and for, people in the situations they escaped. You dont find that interesting?

    Further, making money, and being a big star like biggie and tupac, you start to get accepted into white culture. How does that mesh with the radical messages both brought to the table? The fact they were living large, while all the while speaking to, and for impoverished people? Would a gated community welcome a Tupac or Biggie? What would be the reaction?

    Its a complicated issue. Its more deep than privacy or success or wealth. Thus the reason why I started the thread.



    so is all you dismiss so easily. the suburbs sole purpose was white flight, to escape living with other races? :roll: spare me. how about people decided they wanted to live with some green space, with some space...period.....to have a stand alone home, some place to plant trees and grass and flowers and vegetables....to have a place sll their own rather than living in an apartment. there are sooooo many reasons for the development of suburbia, and not all are tied to escaping mixing with the races. so spare us.


    tho of course it is interesting when ANYone reaches above their meager beginnings, no matter their race.....and it is happening more and more, and is a great thing for all. funny tho, you seem to hold many up on a pedestal...such as tupac, biggie, whomever else......why? they exactly personify the capitalistic, money-grabbing, wealth-hording ways you seem to despise when white people do it. i don't think it's been proven that rich black folk are more generous with charity than rich white folk.


    you also like to remind us how counter-culture and revolutionary you are. hate to break it to you, not once have i read a post of yours that actually contained any new ideas, anything i've not read before. let me know when you do something revolutionary and so 'different' from so many others....and i bet i still would know of plenty of other people who have done the same. the way you started this thread sounded judgemental, like those who become famous SHOULD stay where they came from, and some of us actually disagreed. that's discussion and debate. it's npt 'personal'...it's not about you...it's merely about what you present here. i don't think i've read a thread of yours yet that doesn't always come down to this mock-surprise, the acqusations that others are judging you....but you are not doing the same.......sheesh. get over it. we're discussing the subject you started. sorry if i don't find it as 'interesting' that rich, famous folks move to more exclusive areas, to me it's basic human nature, which human nature fascinates me, but more so when people do things outside the norm.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    its the foundation of everything. Doesnt the bible talk about being fruitful and multiplying. Consuming is the way of the world.

    Uh... I'm pretty sure they were talking about fucking on that one buddy.
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116

    I don't disagree for the sake of disagreeing. I disagree because it gets old to constantly read your threads ranting about "the white man this" and "the white man" that. Not EVERYTHING that happens in the world is some insidious racist plot to keep the black man down. And I'm tired of your posts insinuating that people that don't want to go live on a commune with you are all shallow and greedy racists. Because it simply isn't true.

    Buying stuff doesn't make me happy. But you know what does make me happy? A nice hot shower with running water. A tv where I can watch the Detroit Tigers play baseball. Running around the woods naked digging for berries would not make me happy. I don't overdo it, but I do live comfortably. I don't have a house, I have an apartment. But I did grow up in the suburbs, and I was happy to have a nice school and to be able to ride my bike to the park without having to dodge drug dealers. Sue me.


    When did I attack your for living in a house? I told you I live in an apartment. I have hot showers and a bed and a computer.

    What I am suggesting is, whether you or I want to change or not, society cant endure much more of it. The world cant endure much more of it.

    what i am suggesting is that our way of life, mine included, has consequences. And that I am ready to do the hunting and gathering thing when it is comes, and it will come
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