Should Michael Vick be allowed back in NFL?

Commy

I think if you're found guilty of torturing animals, and go on to a high paying job...everything you make over $20,000 should be donated to PETA.

dcfaithful

jlew24asu wrote:

DeLukin wrote:

Not a fan of the Vick, but if he has served his debt to society then he should be allowed to play again. Hopefully, this time he won't take it for granted...

I have a hard time disagreeing with this. I really despise the guy but maybe jail has changed him. I dont know yet. its still possible he can spend his time out of jail helping dogs and help stop dog fighting whereever it exists.

for Vick's sake, it's good that people have compassion of this level.

I think the guy is scumbag, and I'll be extremely disappointed to see him play football again, or even hold a role such as that that will in some way or another glorify his athletic talent, because obviously that's all he has going for him, his character has got the biggest shit stain on it possible...and I personally don't believe jail would change someone who would do something of that caliber...

If you are heartless enough to torture, beat, and kill animals that really don't have the chioce under those circumstances is jail something that is really going to make you feel remorse for what you've done? Being locked in a cell? If Michael Vick ever had any possibility of feeling "sorry" or "bad" about what he did, he wouldn't have let it go as far as it did.

FUCK Michael Vick.

Not trying to take awayf rom anybody elses opinions...believe as you will. Just voicing mine.

Anon

Vick and everyone who kills a dog for their enjoyment deserve nothing in life. They are the lowest, with all the other murderers/rapists/etc. His actions are despicable and even though he has been freed he deserves all the hate that is coming his way. Him blaming it on his upbringing is a poor excuse.

Bet your bottom dollar if I caught someone trying to harm my dog for no reason I would do very very bad things to get them to stop. Whatever it would take.

norm

Commy wrote:

I think if you're found guilty of torturing animals, and go on to a high paying job...everything you make over $20,000 should be donated to PETA.

how about the humane society? peta are nutjobs

norm

speaking of the humane society

Vick to work with Humane Society

(CNN) -- Former Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick, serving a prison sentence on charges related to dogfighting, will work with the Humane Society of the United States on anti-dogfighting campaigns after his release, Humane Society President Wayne Pacelle said Tuesday.
Michael Vick, 28, is serving a 23-month sentence. He is expected to be released in May.

Michael Vick, 28, is serving a 23-month sentence. He is expected to be released in May.

Vick will work on programs aimed at preventing youths from getting involved in dogfighting, and also on programs aimed at assisting youths who have been involved.

Vick, 28, is serving a 23-month sentence in a Leavenworth, Kansas, prison after pleading guilty in August 2007 to a federal charge of bankrolling a dogfighting operation at a home he owned in Virginia. His sentence ends in July, but he is expected to be released sometime in May and serve the remainder of his sentence in home confinement, most likely in Virginia. He is a native of Newport News.

Pacelle said the Humane Society was approached by Vick's representatives. He said he has traveled to Kansas twice to meet with Vick, and during the second visit, the two discussed how Vick could use his sway over youths to discourage them from involvement in dogfighting, as well as help those who were apprehended in connection with it.

Details have not yet been decided, Pacelle said, but will be in the next couple of days.

Last month, a federal bankruptcy judge denied a Chapter 11 bankruptcy plan presented by Vick, urging him to offer the court another plan to emerge from bankruptcy. The plan called for Vick to come up with $750,000 to $1 million in cash to be paid to creditors, U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Frank Santoro said, but added he saw no evidence Vick could come up with that much. Santoro suggested Vick's next plan not call for him to keep two houses and three cars, as did the rejected proposal.

In testimony, Vick acknowledged committing a "heinous" act and said he should have acted more maturely. He said he has been earning 12 cents an hour as an overnight janitor in prison. His Falcons salary, he said, was between $10 million and $12 million. He acknowledged failing to handle his money well.

Vick's attorneys have said he will work at a Newport News construction firm after his release. But the sports agent who negotiated Vick's 10-year, $140 million contract with the Falcons testified that Vick will return to the game as soon as September if reinstated by the NFL. Meanwhile, he has also agreed to participate in a documentary for $600,000.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/05/19/vick.h ... topstories
More attention has been paid to dogfighting as a result of Vick's case, Pacelle said. The Humane Society, which offers rewards for tips involving dogfighting, has recently paid out $40,000 in five different cases, he said.

Commy

norm wrote:

Commy wrote:

I think if you're found guilty of torturing animals, and go on to a high paying job...everything you make over $20,000 should be donated to PETA.

how about the humane society? peta are nutjobs

PETA rules.


but ok.

jlew24asu

dcfaithful wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

DeLukin wrote:

Not a fan of the Vick, but if he has served his debt to society then he should be allowed to play again. Hopefully, this time he won't take it for granted...

I have a hard time disagreeing with this. I really despise the guy but maybe jail has changed him. I dont know yet. its still possible he can spend his time out of jail helping dogs and help stop dog fighting whereever it exists.

for Vick's sake, it's good that people have compassion of this level.

I think the guy is scumbag, and I'll be extremely disappointed to see him play football again, or even hold a role such as that that will in some way or another glorify his athletic talent, because obviously that's all he has going for him, his character has got the biggest shit stain on it possible...and I personally don't believe jail would change someone who would do something of that caliber...

If you are heartless enough to torture, beat, and kill animals that really don't have the chioce under those circumstances is jail something that is really going to make you feel remorse for what you've done? Being locked in a cell? If Michael Vick ever had any possibility of feeling "sorry" or "bad" about what he did, he wouldn't have let it go as far as it did.

FUCK Michael Vick.

Not trying to take awayf rom anybody elses opinions...believe as you will. Just voicing mine.

LOL, slow down skippy. I dont have compassion for Mike Vick. I was speaking hypothetically. second of all, lets put what was done in prospective. we are talking about pit bulls fighting each other. pit bulls are the strongest most viscous breed of dog know to man. although I love those dogs, my ex-girlfriend has one and she slept in the same bed with us almost every night. I LOVE pit bulls.

mike vick and his buddies didnt sit around and put cigarettes out on their backs or cut off their legs. they forced these dogs to fight. and on some basica animalistic level, thats what animals do to survive. they are animals remember?

now that said, it is 100% wrong what was done and Mike Vick deserves all the jail time he got. but I'm not sure why you think he can't change. Mike Vick grew up in a culture where this type of thing is normal and accepted. he probably had no idea what he was doing was wrong until he was arrested.

jlew24asu

norm wrote:

Commy wrote:

I think if you're found guilty of torturing animals, and go on to a high paying job...everything you make over $20,000 should be donated to PETA.

how about the humane society? peta are nutjobs

exactly. peta are way to extreme for my liking. I would never support them.

jlew24asu

JB811 wrote:

Vick and everyone who kills a dog for their enjoyment deserve nothing in life. They are the lowest, with all the other murderers/rapists/etc. His actions are despicable and even though he has been freed he deserves all the hate that is coming his way. Him blaming it on his upbringing is a poor excuse.[/quote

Bet your bottom dollar if I caught someone trying to harm my dog for no reason I would do very very bad things to get them to stop. Whatever it would take.

your last statement puts you in the same category as the people you speak of.

g under p

jlew24asu wrote:

JB811 wrote:

Vick and everyone who kills a dog for their enjoyment deserve nothing in life. They are the lowest, with all the other murderers/rapists/etc. His actions are despicable and even though he has been freed he deserves all the hate that is coming his way. Him blaming it on his upbringing is a poor excuse.[/quote

Bet your bottom dollar if I caught someone trying to harm my dog for no reason I would do very very bad things to get them to stop. Whatever it would take.

your last statement puts you in the same category as the people you speak of.

.....and he could end up going to jail too.

Kel Varnsen

It's a tricky situation. I mean I wouldn't have a problem if each team on their own decided that they didn't want to pick him up and deal with the negative press. But to be banned outright from the entire league doesn't really sit right to me. I mean like people have posted he did his time. Plus unless he wants to move to Canada, the NFL is really the only option for pro football there is. I mean its not like if he was banned from working at McDonalds, and then he just went and applied for a job at Burger King.

know1

Do I want him back in the NFL? NO.

SHOULD he be allowed back in if a team wants to add him to their roster? ABSOLUTELY.

Look, if more punishment is required, then it's an issue for the courts and laws.

I'm an animal lover myself, but let's say he broke a different law such as armed robbery. After he served the debt required of him by the courts and laws, would people call for him to not be let back in?

Or another way. What if it was somebody who just had a general office job and they committed the same crimes Vick did. After they get out of prison, should we ban them from working?

I say leave it up to the individual entities.

decides2dream

the days of children being able to look up to sport heroes...sadly, long, long gone it seems. despicable human being imo, a horrible example for children.....but as many have said, he legally served his time so legally i don't believe he should be blocked from returning to the sport. however, i wish sport franchises would block such individuals from being a part of their teams. tho i imagine he'll be back in the game, making his millions again.....

blackredyellow

decides2dream wrote:

the days of children being able to look up to sport heroes...sadly, long, long gone it seems. despicable human being imo, a horrible example for children.....but as many have said, he legally served his time so legally i don't believe he should be blocked from returning to the sport. however, i wish sport franchises would block such individuals from being a part of their teams. tho i imagine he'll be back in the game, making his millions again.....

In the past, children looked up to sport heroes because the negative side of their lives wasn't publicized... Not talking just about Vick, but in general, there were some despicable people in the past, but no 24-hour sports networks, or paparazzi/bloggers following these guys around everyday all day.

Like any profession, there are good people and bad people... In sports, I don't really think that the ratio has changed all that much over the years.

dcfaithful

jlew24asu wrote:

LOL, slow down skippy. I dont have compassion for Mike Vick. I was speaking hypothetically. second of all, lets put what was done in prospective. we are talking about pit bulls fighting each other. pit bulls are the strongest most viscous breed of dog know to man. although I love those dogs, my ex-girlfriend has one and she slept in the same bed with us almost every night. I LOVE pit bulls.

mike vick and his buddies didnt sit around and put cigarettes out on their backs or cut off their legs. they forced these dogs to fight. and on some basica animalistic level, thats what animals do to survive. they are animals remember?

now that said, it is 100% wrong what was done and Mike Vick deserves all the jail time he got. but I'm not sure why you think he can't change. Mike Vick grew up in a culture where this type of thing is normal and accepted. he probably had no idea what he was doing was wrong until he was arrested.

Skippy here,
Agree to disagree, I guess, and I wasn't trying to single you out...but just trying to speak for my belief on the situation.

how do you compare dogfighting to animals fighting in the wild off of instinct? There is no ring leader in the wild that places bets on you to win an arranged fight.

Using an excuse like "I grew up this way, and didn't know any better" is a half-assed excuse, and if Vick chooses to use it then whatever, so be it. I guess it's his problem that he's plagued with ignorance and stupidity.

It just doesn't make sense to me...if OJ Simpson, Ted Bundy, and other really despicable people said "I didn't know any better, it's how I was raised and how I grew up." Would we then be so quick to say "Oh, well the poor stupid ass is just suffering from being sheltered from society and common sense."

Now I know that OJ and Bundy aren't exactly the same in comparison to Vick...but what difference does it make? Adults, children, animals? None should be treated the way that said people treated them.

Whatever, I'm wasting my breath. Vick will continue to be a professional athlete, becuase that is far more important than being humane. :roll:

dcfaithful

know1 wrote:

Do I want him back in the NFL? NO.

SHOULD he be allowed back in if a team wants to add him to their roster? ABSOLUTELY.

Look, if more punishment is required, then it's an issue for the courts and laws.

I'm an animal lover myself, but let's say he broke a different law such as armed robbery. After he served the debt required of him by the courts and laws, would people call for him to not be let back in?

Or another way. What if it was somebody who just had a general office job and they committed the same crimes Vick did. After they get out of prison, should we ban them from working?

I say leave it up to the individual entities.

Vick won't be banned from working, are you kidding me? Plenty of companies hire ex-cons. He may have just lost his chance to work in the NFL again...so what's the big deal? He has to take a huge pay cut and get used to the life that we all live: Not making millions of dollars for playing a sport. Welcome back to the real world, Mikey.

jlew24asu

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdo ... nfl,164628

dcfaithful

jlew24asu wrote:

mike vick and his buddies didnt sit around and put cigarettes out on their backs or cut off their legs. they forced these dogs to fight.

http://www.lcanimal.org/cmpgn/dog_fight ... ctment.pdf

Clause 83, page 17.

jlew24asu

dcfaithful wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

mike vick and his buddies didnt sit around and put cigarettes out on their backs or cut off their legs. they forced these dogs to fight.

http://www.lcanimal.org/cmpgn/dog_fight ... ctment.pdf

Clause 83, page 17.

eeek. not good

Riverrunner

jlew24asu wrote:

mike vick and his buddies didnt sit around and put cigarettes out on their backs or cut off their legs. they forced these dogs to fight.

Are you seriously saying that being forced to fight to the death in some cases or painful injury is better than having a cigarette put out on your back or your leg cut off? Can you not imagine being thrown into a pit with someone or something that you knew was being forced to hurt or kill you? And have no way out but to fight back? Until either you or he was dead or maimed? How can that be a forgiveable offense?

It seems that people are debating the difference between classes or types of crime. The difference is the mean and cruel intent that is involved. When someone drives drunk and hurts or kills someone else they should be punished. It is wrong to drive drunk and threaten others. When someone steals thousands of dollars from their employer it is wrong and they should be punished. But can these people be compared to Michael Vick and other sorts like him? No. Michael Vick was intentionally causing pain and death to others for pleasure and money. He did it over and over again. A person that drives drunk thinks that in the end nobody will get hurt. The person that imbezzles from his employer does not see the pain or loss that is being caused. But somebody like Michael Vick knows exactly what pain and suffering is being caused and relishes it. He can never be reformed in my opinion. If you are that mean and psycopathic to begin with how does a few months in a prison "cure" you? In the future the man may be able to hide his meanness, but he will always be mean and useless to society as far as I am concerned. I hope the man never gets a job and suffers horribly. I know I shouldn't say that, but I can't help it.