Who the hell is running 10C?

Pearlybaker

Always been a fan of the 10c but this one-off tour announcement stuff is crap. You announce shows in Chicago and leave everyone hanging if there will be more on the east coast, then you confirm that this is it and they'll be something on west coast.

In your update, couldn't you have mentioned there was a possibility to add a Monday night in Chicago for the folks that made a decision to travel to Chicago and were making travel plans?

it's not like it would have impacted pre-sales for Sunday night.

WTF - dissappointed.

pjsteelerfan

This is nothing new, there is always the possibility of a 2nd show or adding a show. Once they announce the west coast dates, there will be the same chance of added shows.

Jennytree

Oh, look! A thread giving out about 10c! :roll:

Pearlybaker

The point is be consistent - with EV you knew where the possibilities where for added shows.

petrocs

When exactly was it stated that this is it for the east coast and there will be west coast dates?

pjsteelerfan

petrocs wrote:

When exactly was it stated that this is it for the east coast and there will be west coast dates?

There is a sticky where Tim said they are plannig some west coast shows in the Fall

petrocs

pjsteelerfan wrote:

petrocs wrote:

When exactly was it stated that this is it for the east coast and there will be west coast dates?

There is a sticky where Tim said they are plannig some west coast shows in the Fall

Thanks...missed that. OK so no more east coast dates this year...whos up for a road trip?

PJRock75

I'm never one to complain about anything that I may disagree with (normally I don't care enough anyway and even if I di...what would it do), but I gotta say something this time....this is BS. It's not cute, or fun, or exciting....it's messing up everyone's plans and arrangements and making it financially harder on their fans who are on a tight budget. What gives??

I'm glad I didn't get any tickets yet and am holding out for East Coast dates, but if they do it this way, I just may skip all shows but local ones. First time I've EVER been dissapointed in PJ

Vedd Hedd

IN a few weeks (or days) when the album date is announced, then the full tour details are given, everyone will know.

These are not regular tour shows. These are "well, while we are out here, lets do some shows" shows.

pjsteelerfan

Here is a small tidbit for some of you, and when the West Coast dates are out, if you see them listed to play only one night in Seattle, LA, San Diego, Denver, etc and there are like 3 days until the next show, probably a pretty good chance of a 2nd show being added. It was the Same for Philly and Boston last year. And in 2006. You may not want to rush out and book everything 5 minutes after you buy tickets.

IamMine

I don’t know if I’m off the topic here, but I’d like to share my perspective and opinion based on my experience and observations. I apologize for the lengthy post.

Like Vedd Hedd pointed out, the upcoming shows (EV & few PJ) are not regular shows like a full tour where everyone will know ahead of time and more time to purchase tickets before the public sales.

Now, based on my experience… things move very fast once the inside information is received within a venue and people/companies (e.g., friends, LiveNation, etc). You can thank the internet for that – it is a very powerful medium for information sharing.

I noticed things get “out of control” at the speed of light that I think in certain situations makes it quite difficult for Ten Club to control because a) people do not keep their end of bargains (agreeing to hold information and/or allocated seats) and b) fans themselves do not report directly to Ten Club about what is going on if they knew the information or were offered something that should have gone to the fan club.

I’ll give you one example: people who have relationships with the venues (whether it’s directly or indirectly such as a worker or a friend’s cousin who couldn’t keep his mouth shut) would obtain the information and share it with everyone – or worse, keep it to himself/herself for his/her own personal gain, rather than informing 10c so they’d know the agreement has been violated. This hurts 10c cuz information is leaked and 10c is accused of not being the first to come forward with the information. I personally don’t think venues respected 10c enough to allow them to announce first prior to their public sales announcement (see TM for one example).

And this does happen: fans themselves asking favors from venues for better seats that should have gone to a fan club. This goes unreported and fan club members complain that there were better seats given out. Those fans could be just friends or worse – fan club members.

I’m thinking from those venues’ point of view…it’s just a one time deal with a fan club wl while they have relationships with others on a regular basis. Or a fan club member thinking he/she has a one time opportunity to be close, at the expense of the fan club. This isn’t good and is unethical, but that does happen.

Ten Club does all it could do with a small group of people trying their best to have a working relationship with the venues, but it seems that with a large organization such as LiveNation where there are hundreds (perhaps even a thousand?) workers who could have obtained information and doing unethical practices that goes unreported or unknown – until it’s too late, that is.

I am not saying that I think Ten Club is losing control at all, but if the venues would maintain integrity and working together for the sake of the fan club members, it would have a better outcome. And the fans themselves doing their part to help combat unethical practices or sharing information with 10c what they know for the sake of their fellow 10c members. They can only do so much by themselves.

That’s just my perspective and opinion… I could be wrong because I don’t really know how things operate inside 10c and the people they have made agreements with, but based on what I’ve been seeing here on the board and with several venues I had gone to. But I do know they care about their fans and try their best.

Sorry for the long message…but I wanted to put in my 2 cents and even with the upcoming tour that will be announced, there will always be problems that need to be solved and trying to make the system to work for the fans, not a few who screw it up for everyone else for their own personal benefits.

Let’s give 10c a chance and work with them… with more of us working with them by protecting each other by making sure people are honest and held accountable, then 10c will become even stronger.

Zoso

Did 10c in the past let fans know that there was a possibility of a second night in places like Chicago, Philly, NYC, LA etc? I don't remember...

michelleelise

The big assumption here is that 10C even knew they might rollover. I doubt the fan club is the one making tour plans - isn't that the band manager?

I imagine the band manager announced to 10C after the fact that they were going to book a 2nd night. Knowing the general tone of the board lately, 10C folks probably drew straws as to who go the "pleasure" of announcing that to the fans

voodoopug

Booking travel arrangements immediately upon hearing about an event that is four months away is about as short sighted as it gets. Personally, if you have to be this anxious to book non refundable travel, you deserve to miss any additional shows.

Pearl Jam/Ten Club/Eddie/etc doesnt own anyone here any favors, despite what is posted/argued. No one has ever been begged to return to the fan club, and there's always a long line of members with higher numbers more than happy to move up a few rows each tour.

If the stress of a Pearl Jam concert experience (starting from rumors of a show going up until the actual ending of a show) is just too much to bear....I say don't let the door hit you on the a$$ on the way out.

IAmMyself

You can't have it both ways. You either want news and tour info first or wait until every detail has been worked, meanwhile rumors are out of control, to get all the info.
I also don't understand why people think 10 club is associated with band management? They are getting the info from someone else and are at the mercy of that person to pass on correct info to us.

Another words, shut the fuck up!

Wilds

pjsteelerfan wrote:

Here is a small tidbit for some of you, and when the West Coast dates are out, if you see them listed to play only one night in Seattle, LA, San Diego, Denver, etc and there are like 3 days until the next show, probably a pretty good chance of a 2nd show being added. It was the Same for Philly and Boston last year. And in 2006. You may not want to rush out and book everything 5 minutes after you buy tickets.

I ring in on these types of threads quite a bit, cause the annoy the hell out of me.


pjsteelerfan hit the nail right on the head.

ALL of these stupid, selfish, whining "poor me" posts are all the same. The answer is to THINK!

All of the whiners are guilty of the same offense. Stupidity.

Why are ticket prices higher than 1995? If you understood economics, inflation, and the bands growth as an organization the answer is simple. But people just get pissed at their own situation and don't think.

Why doesn't the Ten Club get me the ticket information? I missed out on the Ten club sale that lasted three days? How about some responsibility if it's important to you. TSIS, TFT, Twitter, This board? The rumor mill has been in effect for 2 months on FULL BLAST. Be smart and tune in. If you are too stupid to take responsibility for checking the available resources then I don't want to hear your whining.

Who the hell is running 10C? Really the question should be. How am I so shortsighted that I didn't pick up on the fact that Pearl Jam often announces a 2nd show in big markets especially with a three or more day window of empty dates following a show?

My good friend planned for it, and when it was announced extended his hotel stay by one day. He is no genius. (lol he is on this board, so that is for him ) But he's intelligent enough to know that after many years this is how it is.

THINK people and the rest takes care of itself.

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this is what you are entitled to with a fan club membership with pearl jam. it doesnt say anywhere that tenclub has to alert people of when fanclub tickets go on sale. yet they do anyways. in my opinion they should keep their mouths shut and just put the tickets up in goods whenever they are ready and not say a word about it.

Solat13

michelle822 wrote:

The big assumption here is that 10C even knew they might rollover. I doubt the fan club is the one making tour plans - isn't that the band manager?

I imagine the band manager announced to 10C after the fact that they were going to book a 2nd night. Knowing the general tone of the board lately, 10C folks probably drew straws as to who go the "pleasure" of announcing that to the fans

Of course they did. Tix go onsale on tm in a couple days and PJ was not going to take a 4 or 5 day break between the first Chicago show and the festival in California. Which is why I booked my return flight for Tuesday even before Chicago 2 was announced.

2-feign-reluctance

we're lucky there is even a fan club with the option of buying tickets like 10C has. all this postulating on the what, where, why, when, how is just ridiculous. maybe they should just take the option of trying for 'the best seats in the house' away and we'll see how many people still are in the fan club. all this negativity because somebody is mad just makes this board suck. i thought maybe we'd turned a corner, but seems like every move this great fan club makes comes under intense scrutiny followed by, well, just plain bullshit negative vibes. :roll:

Ryan_WFC

2-feign-reluctance wrote:

we're lucky there is even a fan club with the option of buying tickets like 10C has. all this postulating on the what, where, why, when, how is just ridiculous. maybe they should just take the option of trying for 'the best seats in the house' away and we'll see how many people still are in the fan club. all this negativity because somebody is mad just makes this board suck. i thought maybe we'd turned a corner, but seems like every move this great fan club makes comes under intense scrutiny followed by, well, just plain bullshit negative vibes. :roll:

+1

qontheboard

Republicans are funny!

Cob

<<<<<<<I’ll give you one example: people who have relationships with the venues (whether it’s directly or indirectly such as a worker or a friend’s cousin who couldn’t keep his mouth shut) would obtain the information and share it with everyone – or worse, keep it to himself/herself for his/her own personal gain, rather than informing 10c so they’d know the agreement has been violated. This hurts 10c cuz information is leaked and 10c is accused of not being the first to come forward with the information. I personally don’t think venues respected 10c enough to allow them to announce first prior to their public sales announcement (see TM for one example).>>>>>>>>>>

Okay I have to chime in, sorry if this upsets people but it's just my opinion, "information is leaked" "agreement has been violated" sorry but we are talking about a tour for a rock band, not some government secret information, or some type of NAFTA agreement. They are just tour dates for a band for heavens sakes, is there ANYTHING wrong with fans just wanting tour dates to be announced??? It's common practice for the 28 years that I have been going to concerts to just announce the dates and yes it's just common sense that if there are big gaps between shows there will probably be more shows added. What's next, announce a 15 date tour and announce the shows over a 3 month period, I yearn for the days when a tour was just announced all at once, if they have to wait longer to announce it because they are getting their ducks in a row I understand. Oh and I also don't think the 10 Club has anything to do with it, they are just letting people know what they have been told, don't kill the messenger.

voodoopug

2-feign-reluctance wrote:

we're lucky there is even a fan club with the option of buying tickets like 10C has. all this postulating on the what, where, why, when, how is just ridiculous. maybe they should just take the option of trying for 'the best seats in the house' away and we'll see how many people still are in the fan club. all this negativity because somebody is mad just makes this board suck. i thought maybe we'd turned a corner, but seems like every move this great fan club makes comes under intense scrutiny followed by, well, just plain bullshit negative vibes. :roll:

It will only get worse IMO as more and more people just expect everything to just be handed to them and will cry loudly if it isn't.

mirrorthelight

voodoopug wrote:

Booking travel arrangements immediately upon hearing about an event that is four months away is about as short sighted as it gets. Personally, if you have to be this anxious to book non refundable travel, you deserve to miss any additional shows.

Pearl Jam/Ten Club/Eddie/etc doesnt own anyone here any favors, despite what is posted/argued. No one has ever been begged to return to the fan club, and there's always a long line of members with higher numbers more than happy to move up a few rows each tour.

If the stress of a Pearl Jam concert experience (starting from rumors of a show going up until the actual ending of a show) is just too much to bear....I say don't let the door hit you on the a$$ on the way out.

AMEN TO THAT!!!

IamMine

Cob wrote:

<<<<<<<I’ll give you one example: people who have relationships with the venues (whether it’s directly or indirectly such as a worker or a friend’s cousin who couldn’t keep his mouth shut) would obtain the information and share it with everyone – or worse, keep it to himself/herself for his/her own personal gain, rather than informing 10c so they’d know the agreement has been violated. This hurts 10c cuz information is leaked and 10c is accused of not being the first to come forward with the information. I personally don’t think venues respected 10c enough to allow them to announce first prior to their public sales announcement (see TM for one example).>>>>>>>>>>

Okay I have to chime in, sorry if this upsets people but it's just my opinion, "information is leaked" "agreement has been violated" sorry but we are talking about a tour for a rock band, not some government secret information, or some type of NAFTA agreement. They are just tour dates for a band for heavens sakes, is there ANYTHING wrong with fans just wanting tour dates to be announced??? It's common practice for the 28 years that I have been going to concerts to just announce the dates and yes it's just common sense that if there are big gaps between shows there will probably be more shows added. What's next, announce a 15 date tour and announce the shows over a 3 month period, I yearn for the days when a tour was just announced all at once, if they have to wait longer to announce it because they are getting their ducks in a row I understand. Oh and I also don't think the 10 Club has anything to do with it, they are just letting people know what they have been told, don't kill the messenger.

I see your point and I agree that there's nothing wrong wanting the tour information... but if they are trying to work out details for a show and the work is still in progress... it can screw things up when the information is leaked and yielding opportunities for people to do things they shouldn't be doing.

I'm sorry if I made it sound like a government or NAFTA agreement... but it's a business agreement that can go wrong in many ways if people weren't working together for the same goals.

It's a rock band, yes...but it's appealing enough for others to go against the band's wishes - the seats for their fans and scalpers making profits, things like that.

I didn't really mean to go into details with so much thinking put into it... and I certainly do not wish to invest time and energy arguing about this.

jimed14

Wilds wrote:

I ring in on these types of threads quite a bit, cause the annoy the hell out of me.


pjsteelerfan hit the nail right on the head.

ALL of these stupid, selfish, whining "poor me" posts are all the same. The answer is to THINK!

All of the whiners are guilty of the same offense. Stupidity.

Why are ticket prices higher than 1995? If you understood economics, inflation, and the bands growth as an organization the answer is simple. But people just get pissed at their own situation and don't think.

Why doesn't the Ten Club get me the ticket information? I missed out on the Ten club sale that lasted three days? How about some responsibility if it's important to you. TSIS, TFT, Twitter, This board? The rumor mill has been in effect for 2 months on FULL BLAST. Be smart and tune in. If you are too stupid to take responsibility for checking the available resources then I don't want to hear your whining.

Who the hell is running 10C? Really the question should be. How am I so shortsighted that I didn't pick up on the fact that Pearl Jam often announces a 2nd show in big markets especially with a three or more day window of empty dates following a show?

My good friend planned for it, and when it was announced extended his hotel stay by one day. He is no genius. (lol he is on this board, so that is for him ) But he's intelligent enough to know that after many years this is how it is.

THINK people and the rest takes care of itself.

I want a Pearl Jam show in my back yard, and I want it NOW!!!!!!!



I also want an everlasting gobstopper!!!! NOW!!!!

IamMine

jimed14 wrote:

I want a Pearl Jam show in my back yard, and I want it NOW!!!!!!!



I also want an everlasting gobstopper!!!! NOW!!!!

That's hilarious!!! Love the picture!

Wilds

Cob wrote:

<<<<<<<I’ll give you one example: people who have relationships with the venues (whether it’s directly or indirectly such as a worker or a friend’s cousin who couldn’t keep his mouth shut) would obtain the information and share it with everyone – or worse, keep it to himself/herself for his/her own personal gain, rather than informing 10c so they’d know the agreement has been violated. This hurts 10c cuz information is leaked and 10c is accused of not being the first to come forward with the information. I personally don’t think venues respected 10c enough to allow them to announce first prior to their public sales announcement (see TM for one example).>>>>>>>>>>

Okay I have to chime in, sorry if this upsets people but it's just my opinion, "information is leaked" "agreement has been violated" sorry but we are talking about a tour for a rock band, not some government secret information, or some type of NAFTA agreement. They are just tour dates for a band for heavens sakes, is there ANYTHING wrong with fans just wanting tour dates to be announced??? It's common practice for the 28 years that I have been going to concerts to just announce the dates and yes it's just common sense that if there are big gaps between shows there will probably be more shows added. What's next, announce a 15 date tour and announce the shows over a 3 month period, I yearn for the days when a tour was just announced all at once, if they have to wait longer to announce it because they are getting their ducks in a row I understand. Oh and I also don't think the 10 Club has anything to do with it, they are just letting people know what they have been told, don't kill the messenger.

Valid points here, but times have changed.

In the past a tour would be announced and people would buy tickets. I'm sure information leaked out, but what means were available to get that info to the masses?

For the most part the 1st time you heard about the tour was when it was announced on a radio.

Now, with the internet, information is flying in from all sides. Perhaps these tours are announced by the band just as they always were. What's changed is our ability to get inside information so easy.

Then we scream. "Why didn't the band tell me? I had to hear from XXXX"

Smarter_Than_U

IamMine wrote:

I don’t know if I’m off the topic here, but I’d like to share my perspective and opinion based on my experience and observations. I apologize for the lengthy post.

Like Vedd Hedd pointed out, the upcoming shows (EV & few PJ) are not regular shows like a full tour where everyone will know ahead of time and more time to purchase tickets before the public sales.

Now, based on my experience… things move very fast once the inside information is received within a venue and people/companies (e.g., friends, LiveNation, etc). You can thank the internet for that – it is a very powerful medium for information sharing.

I noticed things get “out of control” at the speed of light that I think in certain situations makes it quite difficult for Ten Club to control because a) people do not keep their end of bargains (agreeing to hold information and/or allocated seats) and b) fans themselves do not report directly to Ten Club about what is going on if they knew the information or were offered something that should have gone to the fan club.

I’ll give you one example: people who have relationships with the venues (whether it’s directly or indirectly such as a worker or a friend’s cousin who couldn’t keep his mouth shut) would obtain the information and share it with everyone – or worse, keep it to himself/herself for his/her own personal gain, rather than informing 10c so they’d know the agreement has been violated. This hurts 10c cuz information is leaked and 10c is accused of not being the first to come forward with the information. I personally don’t think venues respected 10c enough to allow them to announce first prior to their public sales announcement (see TM for one example).

And this does happen: fans themselves asking favors from venues for better seats that should have gone to a fan club. This goes unreported and fan club members complain that there were better seats given out. Those fans could be just friends or worse – fan club members.

I’m thinking from those venues’ point of view…it’s just a one time deal with a fan club wl while they have relationships with others on a regular basis. Or a fan club member thinking he/she has a one time opportunity to be close, at the expense of the fan club. This isn’t good and is unethical, but that does happen.

Ten Club does all it could do with a small group of people trying their best to have a working relationship with the venues, but it seems that with a large organization such as LiveNation where there are hundreds (perhaps even a thousand?) workers who could have obtained information and doing unethical practices that goes unreported or unknown – until it’s too late, that is.

I am not saying that I think Ten Club is losing control at all, but if the venues would maintain integrity and working together for the sake of the fan club members, it would have a better outcome. And the fans themselves doing their part to help combat unethical practices or sharing information with 10c what they know for the sake of their fellow 10c members. They can only do so much by themselves.

That’s just my perspective and opinion… I could be wrong because I don’t really know how things operate inside 10c and the people they have made agreements with, but based on what I’ve been seeing here on the board and with several venues I had gone to. But I do know they care about their fans and try their best.

Sorry for the long message…but I wanted to put in my 2 cents and even with the upcoming tour that will be announced, there will always be problems that need to be solved and trying to make the system to work for the fans, not a few who screw it up for everyone else for their own personal benefits.

Let’s give 10c a chance and work with them… with more of us working with them by protecting each other by making sure people are honest and held accountable, then 10c will become even stronger.

I think this is a good post. Bottom line is that the band, their management, and the fan club are doing their best to protect the fans from forces much larger and potentially stronger than any of us can understand since we are not on the inside. They cannot come out and tell us how they negotiate deals since it might reveal too much to the parties they are in negotiations with--which is a basic principle of making deals, right? They do the best they can under all circumstances they are dealt and they constantly try to improve and enhance their systems and processes. Not sure you can ask much more from a rock and roll band's fan club.

Pearlybaker

My original point was that it was misleading to come on the Board Monday and try to provide more clarity regarding tour dates without mentioning the possibility of a second Chicago show.

Why throw out there unconfirmed plans for west coast in the fall but not mention an "unconfirmed" possible second night at Chicago?

Do you really think that between Monday night when the update was posted and Thursday morning when it was announced - this second show materialized?

Look it 10C has been very good to me but this approach has been wrong in my opinion - it's better to say nothing than pieces of the story.

As far as the comment on booking flights too early - some of us have economic and parental shit that has to be well worked out in advance before you can decide to commit to $150.oo in tickets.

Poncier

michelle822 wrote:

The big assumption here is that 10C even knew they might rollover. I doubt the fan club is the one making tour plans - isn't that the band manager?

I've tried to make this point often in the past. Folks blame the fan club for how itineraries and shows are announced, the fan club is only the messenger.