I wish he'd use Carters drums from DMB. Better yet, take lessons from Carter
yeah, in our dreams, right! dave a. was very similar to carter as far as talent and style goes. dave's kit wasn't as big and fancy but it didn't need to be considering pj's style of music vs. dmb. dave and carter both play effortlessly hard and never miss a beat and both know what to do during a jam session where matt just sounds lost and random.
I think Matt is great, but I do agree that the way he plays some of the back catalog sucks.
I can't stand to listen to Hail Hail or Corduroy live because of him.
Why doesn't anyone talk about the tone/effects of the guitars changing over time.................to me it has a more noticeable effect overall on the music than Matt's style of drumming.
I wish he'd use Carters drums from DMB. Better yet, take lessons from Carter
yeah, in our dreams, right! dave a. was very similar to carter as far as talent and style goes. dave's kit wasn't as big and fancy but it didn't need to be considering pj's style of music vs. dmb. dave and carter both play effortlessly hard and never miss a beat and both know what to do during a jam session where matt just sounds lost and random.
first of all, wake up? why don't you wake up from your stupidity? the fixer is simply a good song, and matt cameron is one of the finest drummers in the world. you think carter buttford is good, should have known, your like every other non-drummer in the world...
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Matt is the most talented drummer that has ever been in Pearl Jam! The folks who think they're pointing out mistakes are really just demonstrating that their ear for drumming just isn't there.
quoted for truth. matt c. is the perfect fit for pearl jam.
also, dave a. is gone. people need to stop living in the past. if you want the past, go find doc and the delorean.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
I wish he'd use Carters drums from DMB. Better yet, take lessons from Carter
yeah, in our dreams, right! dave a. was very similar to carter as far as talent and style goes. dave's kit wasn't as big and fancy but it didn't need to be considering pj's style of music vs. dmb. dave and carter both play effortlessly hard and never miss a beat and both know what to do during a jam session where matt just sounds lost and random.
Have you seen Dave A play? Dude was all effort. It's his effort that made him a good drummer, but nothing more, imo.
his drums sound like crap! i don't know much about drums other than i know a good drummer when i hear one. and matt's pretty good, but his drums sound horrible. i don't know if it's the brand or the tuning. they sound very weak and dull and flat. the snare sounds like he's hitting.. i don't know.. like a piece of ply wood or something and the toms sound like he hitting a gym mat!! doesn't anyone else hear this?(or barely hear this;) i know he using skins now rather than.. plastic, i guess? i know back in '98 he was using the plastics and they sounded so much louder and better. now, they sound very drowned out. they not bad when you're at the actual concert, but on the bootlegs they're crap. maybe he just needs to tighten them up a little.... and start playing as hard as he used to! and hopefully ed will singing on the new album with the beauty and effort he sings with when he performs with artist other than his bandmates.... think about it.
I thought he changed his drum kit after the 00 tour.
He did, but hes been using the same setup since 03. His drums sound "like shit" on boots but sounded good on VH1 because of better recording, not different tuning/drums.
oh and the ending of "Blood" is ten times better now then it used to be. Those fills at the end are freakin awesome.
ahhhhhh i see, thanks. i was at the who rock honors concert and thought matt sounded damn good. totally nailed love reign o'er me. when i saw it on tv i thought the band sucked and sounded to polished. but i get vh1 in wanting to make it clean and perfect.
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I wish he'd use Carters drums from DMB. Better yet, take lessons from Carter
yeah, in our dreams, right! dave a. was very similar to carter as far as talent and style goes. dave's kit wasn't as big and fancy but it didn't need to be considering pj's style of music vs. dmb. dave and carter both play effortlessly hard and never miss a beat and both know what to do during a jam session where matt just sounds lost and random.
first of all, wake up? why don't you wake up from your stupidity? the fixer is simply a good song, and matt cameron is one of the finest drummers in the world. you think carter buttford is good, should have known, your like every other non-drummer in the world...
Its awesome that you love Matt, He's my favorite drummer personally too.....
But to say Carter BUTTford.....WOOOOOWWWW Carter is much more talented around the kit then Matt.
i think its very unfair and disrespectful to both matt and carter to compare them to each other. one plays in a jam band where he has the freedom to do 10-15 minute drum solo and the other is in a rock band.
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Carter and Matt are very different drummers. Matt & PJ are on a completely different planet stylistically than Carter & DMB. Both are amazing at what they do. A drummer like Carter would sound terrible in a band like PJ. Different wavelengths people.
I wish he'd use Carters drums from DMB. Better yet, take lessons from Carter
yeah, in our dreams, right! dave a. was very similar to carter as far as talent and style goes. dave's kit wasn't as big and fancy but it didn't need to be considering pj's style of music vs. dmb. dave and carter both play effortlessly hard and never miss a beat and both know what to do during a jam session where matt just sounds lost and random.
first of all, wake up? why don't you wake up from your stupidity? the fixer is simply a good song, and matt cameron is one of the finest drummers in the world. you think carter buttford is good, should have known, your like every other non-drummer in the world...
Are you serious? I've played drums for years and I'll be the first to tell you from a technical perspective Carter is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Matt. He can't touch the Jazz style Carter uses.
Matt's drumming sounds really good on the 98-00 bootlegs, it seems like he's lost something since then. Everything sounds exactly the same to me, there's no diversity in his playing at all.
I like Matt live. My first PJ show was in 1998 so I've only seen them with Matt. I'm not saying that he's my favorite PJ drummer because he's not, but I always thought he more than held his own and plays live with a lot of energy. I t hink he brings more urgentness to the songs than Jack did.
Matt is fine...my concern is the overall sound coming from the band...all instruments included. I think part of the reason the boots these days aren't as good is because a lot of times PJ's setup makes it sound like they are playing inside a tin can....those 2003 mixes were brilliant...get that sound back!! Give Jeff a little more juice on his bass and turn off that echoing, piercing shrill of mike's guitar...It would make the new tunes sound bad ass instead of sounding cracked out on high treble.
what i should have said was, i don't know how to play the drums. and you certainly don't have to know how to play the drums in order to know an amazing drummer(dave a.) from a lesser talented one (matt c.). it's pretty obvious.
This has got to be the stupidest post I've read on this board. Again, have you ever listened to Soundgarden?? Odd time signtures, shifts in time mid song, mid verse, singing backup while drumming. Matt Cameron is an immensely talented drummer, and Dave A could nver hold a candle talent wise to Matt C. Debate whether you think one drummer is better suited for Pearl Jam, but do not debate drumming merits of Matt C to Dave A.
Well said. This thread is definitely on the nose! :x
Are you serious? I've played drums for years and I'll be the first to tell you from a technical perspective Carter is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Matt. He can't touch the Jazz style Carter uses.
Matt's drumming sounds really good on the 98-00 bootlegs, it seems like he's lost something since then. Everything sounds exactly the same to me, there's no diversity in his playing at all.[/quote]
are yooouuuu serious?? I like to think of it this way, Carter wouldn't be able to play how matt plays, Matt wouldn't be able to play how carter plays. Have you listened to any wellwater stuff? soundgarden? oh yea and any Pearl Jam? it's all about Sound, Time, Solidness, and Stamina... which is what makes matt a Legend
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This has got to be the stupidest post I've read on this board. Again, have you ever listened to Soundgarden?? Odd time signtures, shifts in time mid song, mid verse, singing backup while drumming. Matt Cameron is an immensely talented drummer, and Dave A could nver hold a candle talent wise to Matt C. Debate whether you think one drummer is better suited for Pearl Jam, but do not debate drumming merits of Matt C to Dave A.
Cameron is an animal behind the kit.
sure his style may lack complexity, but he is one of the best rock drummers Ive ever seen live
I wish he'd use Carters drums from DMB. Better yet, take lessons from Carter
yeah, in our dreams, right! dave a. was very similar to carter as far as talent and style goes. dave's kit wasn't as big and fancy but it didn't need to be considering pj's style of music vs. dmb. dave and carter both play effortlessly hard and never miss a beat and both know what to do during a jam session where matt just sounds lost and random.
first of all, wake up? why don't you wake up from your stupidity? the fixer is simply a good song, and matt cameron is one of the finest drummers in the world. you think carter buttford is good, should have known, your like every other non-drummer in the world...
Are you serious? I've played drums for years and I'll be the first to tell you from a technical perspective Carter is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Matt. He can't touch the Jazz style Carter uses.
Matt's drumming sounds really good on the 98-00 bootlegs, it seems like he's lost something since then. Everything sounds exactly the same to me, there's no diversity in his playing at all.
I agree Sleep.With.Innocence, though I think even in 98-00 Matt was still not playing the early music well.... and I too am a drummer of a couple dozen years. At least Matt has been able to be creative on the albums he recorded with the band.
Do you remember the little story "Emperor's New Clothes"? This topic is along similar lines.
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yeah, in our dreams, right! dave a. was very similar to carter as far as talent and style goes. dave's kit wasn't as big and fancy but it didn't need to be considering pj's style of music vs. dmb. dave and carter both play effortlessly hard and never miss a beat and both know what to do during a jam session where matt just sounds lost and random.
Why doesn't anyone talk about the tone/effects of the guitars changing over time.................to me it has a more noticeable effect overall on the music than Matt's style of drumming.
first of all, wake up? why don't you wake up from your stupidity? the fixer is simply a good song, and matt cameron is one of the finest drummers in the world. you think carter buttford is good, should have known, your like every other non-drummer in the world...
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Mansfield 1 - '08
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Chicago 1 - '09
MSG -'10
Brooklyn 1+2 - '13
Central Park - '15
MSG - '16
Fenway - '16
Wrigley - '16
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Fenway - '18
MSG - '22
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quoted for truth. matt c. is the perfect fit for pearl jam.
also, dave a. is gone. people need to stop living in the past. if you want the past, go find doc and the delorean.
Have you seen Dave A play? Dude was all effort. It's his effort that made him a good drummer, but nothing more, imo.
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
Its awesome that you love Matt, He's my favorite drummer personally too.....
But to say Carter BUTTford.....WOOOOOWWWW Carter is much more talented around the kit then Matt.
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Can I just say.. I hate his style.. I like Matt's order.
Jack's sloppiness just makes me edgy. I respect his abilities, but not for me.
Are you serious? I've played drums for years and I'll be the first to tell you from a technical perspective Carter is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Matt. He can't touch the Jazz style Carter uses.
Matt's drumming sounds really good on the 98-00 bootlegs, it seems like he's lost something since then. Everything sounds exactly the same to me, there's no diversity in his playing at all.
Hell yeah! made in my hometown!!
Their 16" wood rim snare is a beast
but as a drummer, i dont really care either way.
you've gotta be kidding me. to each their own, i guess.
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I'm with you, I love Matt's tunes.
Well said. This thread is definitely on the nose! :x
Matt's drumming sounds really good on the 98-00 bootlegs, it seems like he's lost something since then. Everything sounds exactly the same to me, there's no diversity in his playing at all.[/quote]
are yooouuuu serious?? I like to think of it this way, Carter wouldn't be able to play how matt plays, Matt wouldn't be able to play how carter plays. Have you listened to any wellwater stuff? soundgarden? oh yea and any Pearl Jam? it's all about Sound, Time, Solidness, and Stamina... which is what makes matt a Legend
Jones Beach NY 1 + 3 - '00
MSG 1 + 2 - '03
Boston Garden - '04
Montreal - '05
Boston Garden 1, Meadowlands 1 + 2 - '06
Mansfield 1 - '08
(EV solo) Boston 1 - '08
Chicago 1 - '09
MSG -'10
Brooklyn 1+2 - '13
Central Park - '15
MSG - '16
Fenway - '16
Wrigley - '16
(RRHOF) Brooklyn - '17
Fenway - '18
MSG - '22
MSG 1 - '24
sure his style may lack complexity, but he is one of the best rock drummers Ive ever seen live
I agree Sleep.With.Innocence, though I think even in 98-00 Matt was still not playing the early music well.... and I too am a drummer of a couple dozen years. At least Matt has been able to be creative on the albums he recorded with the band.
Do you remember the little story "Emperor's New Clothes"? This topic is along similar lines.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
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You better rush to the hospital. You have an obvious brain injury.
Bunch o'fuckin idiots.
Agreed! Not a fan of the Matt songs
I prefer Jack and Dave drumming. Jack gave them such a unique sound and influence.
I love the few matt chamberlain boots that I have
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