SCARY SHIT! Digital TV: Mind Control by the Sound of Silence

dunkman

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THE OLDEST, MOST PRESTIGIOUS, AND MOST PROFITABLE MEDIA INSTITUTIONS ALL SEEM TO SPORT EYE\PYRAMID LOGO DESIGNS?

That is certainly an "oganizational" structure, though not one that seems to be very apparent at the surface, and one that SEEMINGLY has no real impact on the world.
But WHY?
Why would CBS, TIME WARNER, and AOL
ALL HAVE A SINGLE SOLITARY EYE
and one even includes the superfluous use of the triangle\pyramid by chance.
Just like the oh so often cospiracy referenced Great Seal of the United States which is on the dollar bill.

IS THIS HAPPENSTANCE?
RANDOM CHANCE?
CHAOS THEORY?

I want to hear it.
Let me hear you try to tell me that these companies all just happened to come by a Solitary Eye \ Pyramid logo by chance, and that the American public, BY CHANCE, selected these companies to be winners based upon some subconscious preference for these logos.

That in fact, the logos were so well designed that not only did several RANDOM companies rise to the top because of their RANDOMLY chosen logos, but that they also THROUGH RANDOM CHANCE, MERGED TOGETHER IN TO A SINGLE ENTITY WITH DUAL SOLITARY EYE LOGOS!

Was CBS not a huge company before 1951? i think it was.... and yet its logo was




it only changed to the eye logo in 1951.


also... you're asking why are these companies only using an eye logo and why are they all top companies? basically because, and i speak from personal experience, graphic designers are fucking lazy.

we've all done it... we steal.. ahem borrow... from other peoples ideas..

i.e. the BBC used to use a Globe as part of its ident... how many other companies use a globe as part of their logo... hundreds... and holy shit... look how many airline companies use flying things or tail like symbology as part of their logos




CBS, AOL, Time Warner, Nickelodeon, Viacom.... they are companies which use a similar iconography to display what their 'business' is about... i.e. watching their products.

holy crap... Apple's Itunes is the worlds biggest music retailer... its logo is an Apple... and who is the biggest selling band of all time? The Beatles... and their logo is ... eek... an Apple!!!! which might tie in with your theory other than the fact they hate each other.

jlew24asu

thank you dunk.

Drowned Out

driftin - I just didn’t want to get called out on it yet…news to me, the first I’ve read of it….must’ve had a meeting or something the day you made that thread
There were a few holes poked in it on the forum I stole it from, and I hadn’t had time to look into what did or didn’t hold water…


ss - wow, after that post, I don't think you'd find much wrong with the Rockefeller quotes I mentioned earlier. You do realize you're human, right? Unless you think you're a silverback, you're talking about yourself too...

soulsinging

Drowned Out wrote:

ss - wow, after that post, I don't think you'd find much wrong with the Rockefeller quotes I mentioned earlier. You do realize you're human, right? Unless you think you're a silverback, you're talking about yourself too...

I don't know what quotes you're talking about, but yes, I do realize I'm human. What of it? We're animals, a few technological innovations away from flinging shit at each other in trees. You all act like this is the first time in human history there has been a ruling class. It has always and will always be this way. We're wired as social animals, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. This whole delusion that each person is a beautiful snowflake that just needs to get The Man off his back to pursue some wonderful fulfilling existence is a bunch of wishful thinking bullshit. Most people are fucking stupid and their destiny will never be any higher than menial shit work because anything more would tax their limited mind.

As to me, I'm too lazy and uninterested to be a silverback. Too much work, not enough reward.

I get the feeling neither of you have read catch-22. Since you both seem to have nothing but spare time to dig up 50 news articles and videos a day, I suggest you read it. The only sane person in that book is the old Italian man, and that's who I am. I don't give a fuck if the Masons rule the world. What difference does it make to me in my daily life? And you want me to sign on to some bullshit revolution on "your" side? So that what? You can round up the Masons, burn them all at the stake and then put yourselves in charge? For 98% of humanity it doesn't make a bit of fucking difference if the Masons rule the world, or the church does, or Ghandi does, or you with your enlightenment. It's all the same on the ground.

Drowned Out

soulsinging wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

ss - wow, after that post, I don't think you'd find much wrong with the Rockefeller quotes I mentioned earlier. You do realize you're human, right? Unless you think you're a silverback, you're talking about yourself too...

I don't know what quotes you're talking about, but yes, I do realize I'm human. What of it? We're animals, a few technological innovations away from flinging shit at each other in trees. You all act like this is the first time in human history there has been a ruling class. It has always and will always be this way. We're wired as social animals, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. This whole delusion that each person is a beautiful snowflake that just needs to get The Man off his back to pursue some wonderful fulfilling existence is a bunch of wishful thinking bullshit. Most people are fucking stupid and their destiny will never be any higher than menial shit work because anything more would tax their limited mind. .

The Rockefeller quotes are all over the internet, you could find them easily if you were so inclined…yes, there’s always been a ruling class, yes we’re social animals…what of it? Forgive me for seeing potential for more from the human race. I realize there is no utopian society for us around the corner, but I don’t think that means we need to abandon our dreams or ideals. I know it seems frivolous to you, but (beyond neccessity), those dreams and ideals are the heart of motivation and innovation – without them we might as well start flinging shit…
And I disagree with your snowflake sentiment…yes, we’re influenced by a million social and physiological conditions, but we are still capable of independent thought and reasoning. There is no reason we can’t evolve past where we are now. The way I see it, the people at the top ARE holding us back, thru taxation, greed, war, and stagnant, traditional thought. People are working so hard that innovation is being stifled. The majority of the Western population is fucking exhausted just trying to tread water.

soulsinging wrote:

As to me, I'm too lazy and uninterested to be a silverback. Too much work, not enough reward.

I get the feeling neither of you have read catch-22. Since you both seem to have nothing but spare time to dig up 50 news articles and videos a day, I suggest you read it. The only sane person in that book is the old Italian man, and that's who I am. I don't give a fuck if the Masons rule the world. What difference does it make to me in my daily life? And you want me to sign on to some bullshit revolution on "your" side? So that what? You can round up the Masons, burn them all at the stake and then put yourselves in charge? For 98% of humanity it doesn't make a bit of fucking difference if the Masons rule the world, or the church does, or Ghandi does, or you with your enlightenment. It's all the same on the ground.

No, I haven’t read the book…
And I don’t have a ‘side’. I’m sick of always being associated with a school of thought, ideology, one side of the spectrum or another… I have no interest in choosing sides, nor do I think of myself as ‘enlightened’….but I don’t dismiss these things out of hand, nor accept them just cause they aren’t mainstream…in actuality, this stuff is entertainment to me…I don’t’ watch tv.
As for the 50 articles a day thing….aren’t you the leading poster here, bro? wtf? And here I was gonna ask if you’d be in town for lolla…but that hurt. I was gonna buy you an evian or something



:P

soulsinging

Drowned Out wrote:

The Rockefeller quotes are all over the internet, you could find them easily if you were so inclined…yes, there’s always been a ruling class, yes we’re social animals…what of it? Forgive me for seeing potential for more from the human race. I realize there is no utopian society for us around the corner, but I don’t think that means we need to abandon our dreams or ideals. I know it seems frivolous to you, but (beyond neccessity), those dreams and ideals are the heart of motivation and innovation – without them we might as well start flinging shit…
And I disagree with your snowflake sentiment…yes, we’re influenced by a million social and physiological conditions, but we are still capable of independent thought and reasoning. There is no reason we can’t evolve past where we are now. The way I see it, the people at the top ARE holding us back, thru taxation, greed, war, and stagnant, traditional thought. People are working so hard that innovation is being stifled. The majority of the Western population is fucking exhausted just trying to tread water.

No, I haven’t read the book…
And I don’t have a ‘side’. I’m sick of always being associated with a school of thought, ideology, one side of the spectrum or another… I have no interest in choosing sides, nor do I think of myself as ‘enlightened’….but I don’t dismiss these things out of hand, nor accept them just cause they aren’t mainstream…in actuality, this stuff is entertainment to me…I don’t’ watch tv.
As for the 50 articles a day thing….aren’t you the leading poster here, bro? wtf? And here I was gonna ask if you’d be in town for lolla…but that hurt. I was gonna buy you an evian or something

:P

I don't think we're all capable of independent thought and reasoning. You need to meet some of my relatives and classmates back in Ohio. I don't think the people at the top are holding us back or helping us along, nor are the people at the bottom doing either. For every amazing unsung innovator that got stifled because of Rockefeller (however you see that happening), there are 1000 people that were stifled because they're a fucking moron. And for every guy at the top stifling the rest of the world for personal profit, there's another making contributions to huge advances in a variety of fields. Someone will always be on top and some of them will always be pricks and some of us will always be ground beneath the boots of the more powerful. This is the human condition. Shit, this is the world condition. Life always has been and always will be operating on this principle.

I'm glad to hear you don't take this as seriously as Drifting, and I apologize for the news article/enlightened comment. I had you confused with Commy for some reason. Those two seem to spend all day scouring the web for bizarre rumors to treat as fact. I don't know if I'm top poster here anymore, but like you, this is entertainment for me. I don't spend any time online trying to learn anything

As to Lolla, I'd never turn down an Evian, but sadly I'm leaving Chicago in May to move back to Ohio and prepare for the bar/new job :( Don't know if I'll make it to Lolla. Probably explains my bitterness though... I worked so hard to escape, now I'm being sucked back into the degenerate redneck heaven that is Ohio.

FinsburyParkCarrots

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Sludge Factory wrote:

So Jonestown was basically set up as a testing ground for CIA type programs then? That's pretty fucked up.

Yeah,
no one really seems to be sure just how "deep" that experiment went though.
I mean, Congressman Ryan's children sued the government over it, alleging wrongful death and conspiracy to murder on behalf of the CIA and the Federal Government.

However, i have yet to hear any thoughtout analysis of exactly WHAT the CIA's interest was in something like Jonestown. I mean, there are clearly PLENTY of other ways to conduct mind control experiments. The CIA had been doing them since the 50s at least, and none of them seemed to involve labor-concentration camp style "communal" (of the top down, controlled, authoritarian variety) experiences that centered around intensive propaganda and impoverished living conditions.

I hate to do this, because it is pure speculation, and probably not even that well thought out,
but just going on the gestalt of modern day conspiracy one would almost have to approach Jonestown from the sense of, "is this where REX84 was headed? is this the plan for the post-oil, post-crisis, post-constitutional population controled world?"

Obviously that line of thinking gets pretty "wacky" pretty quick.
However, even just looking at what is being pushed in to the mainstream now, like "peak oil" which used to be counterculture but now is being slowly intergrated in to the collective mind ...

one has to wonder (disregarding whether oil is even truly a "fossil" fuel, or whether it truly is "limited" and in decline) if the elite plan for population control is centered around a post oil world where the "hard labor" of agricultural ages past becomes a forced cultural norm again -- forced in the sense that i'm not sure i buy into "peak oil" anymore, the more scientificaly minded here should poke around in the "abiotic oil theory"literature realm some, because apparently they have been using the thesis of abiotic oil in russia since the 1980's to successfully drill for it.

Going back to current "new world order" theory for a second, one thing that is constantly repeated is "the technological-elite want a one world neo-feudalistic scientific dictatorship. This is something that one can find even in the "mainsteam" by way of literary classics such as 1984 or Brave New World, and also the lesser known scientific-socialist-eutopian head in the sky blueprint, HG Well's 1940 The New World Order (which while it mentions the aspect of scientific develoment as ushering in possible "wonderlands", is a book which primarily focuses on the post-"capitalist" socialist "new world order", and thus is more usefull for understanding the post-free-market implications of "their" plan).

Anyway, looking at Jonestown in THAT light,
it really forces you to think whether this was some sort of ground test for THAT model of a world.
A world in which citizens used to the luxuries of an oil soaked life, and possibly traumatized by the horrors of a post-major-crisis-world (folks, Zbigniew Brzinsky has already stated his thesis that global peace can be brought about through increased violence to the point where humanity subdues itself in to peace through exhaustion of violence, go figure).

If you were going to try to pull of a scheme THAT big (read these quotes about the NWO),

you would need some plans to deal with the malcontents and those that just refused to play ball.
A concentration camp dressed up as a commune, with daily doses of "medicine" and 24\7 propaganda over loudspeakers sounds like a test at dealing with that element, imho.

Here is probably the most quoted piece of HG Well's "New World Order", which is NOT a novel, it is specifically written as a GUIDE BOOK for ACHIEVING a "New World Order" ...

HG Wells wrote:

"... when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people ... will hate the new world order ... and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people."

Yikes.
Again,
THAT is the scary thing about Jonestown,
NOT just that the CIA was allegedly doing mind control experiments,
but the notion that the CIA is merely an agent, an organ of a larger group with larger plans,
and that Jonestown was possibly just a small compartmentalized testing ground for much larger population-control (and here i don't mean reduction, i mean CONTROL, as in dealing with massive civil unrest) initiative. A place to see if people could be drugged and brainwashed in to submitting themselves to manual labor with minimal luxuries by some sort of "scientific" practices.

But that is just a jump off of the looney-bin diving board in to the Pool of Whacko.

Hey, Drifting. What's your view about tape Q875? Who made it, and where?

DriftingByTheStorm

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Sludge Factory wrote:

So Jonestown was basically set up as a testing ground for CIA type programs then? That's pretty fucked up.

Yeah,
no one really seems to be sure just how "deep" that experiment went though.
I mean, Congressman Ryan's children sued the government over it, alleging wrongful death and conspiracy to murder on behalf of the CIA and the Federal Government.

However, i have yet to hear any thoughtout analysis of exactly WHAT the CIA's interest was in something like Jonestown. I mean, there are clearly PLENTY of other ways to conduct mind control experiments. The CIA had been doing them since the 50s at least, and none of them seemed to involve labor-concentration camp style "communal" (of the top down, controlled, authoritarian variety) experiences that centered around intensive propaganda and impoverished living conditions.

I hate to do this, because it is pure speculation, and probably not even that well thought out,
but just going on the gestalt of modern day conspiracy one would almost have to approach Jonestown from the sense of, "is this where REX84 was headed? is this the plan for the post-oil, post-crisis, post-constitutional population controled world?"

Obviously that line of thinking gets pretty "wacky" pretty quick.
However, even just looking at what is being pushed in to the mainstream now, like "peak oil" which used to be counterculture but now is being slowly intergrated in to the collective mind ...

one has to wonder (disregarding whether oil is even truly a "fossil" fuel, or whether it truly is "limited" and in decline) if the elite plan for population control is centered around a post oil world where the "hard labor" of agricultural ages past becomes a forced cultural norm again -- forced in the sense that i'm not sure i buy into "peak oil" anymore, the more scientificaly minded here should poke around in the "abiotic oil theory"literature realm some, because apparently they have been using the thesis of abiotic oil in russia since the 1980's to successfully drill for it.

Going back to current "new world order" theory for a second, one thing that is constantly repeated is "the technological-elite want a one world neo-feudalistic scientific dictatorship. This is something that one can find even in the "mainsteam" by way of literary classics such as 1984 or Brave New World, and also the lesser known scientific-socialist-eutopian head in the sky blueprint, HG Well's 1940 The New World Order (which while it mentions the aspect of scientific develoment as ushering in possible "wonderlands", is a book which primarily focuses on the post-"capitalist" socialist "new world order", and thus is more usefull for understanding the post-free-market implications of "their" plan).

Anyway, looking at Jonestown in THAT light,
it really forces you to think whether this was some sort of ground test for THAT model of a world.
A world in which citizens used to the luxuries of an oil soaked life, and possibly traumatized by the horrors of a post-major-crisis-world (folks, Zbigniew Brzinsky has already stated his thesis that global peace can be brought about through increased violence to the point where humanity subdues itself in to peace through exhaustion of violence, go figure).

If you were going to try to pull of a scheme THAT big (read these quotes about the NWO),

you would need some plans to deal with the malcontents and those that just refused to play ball.
A concentration camp dressed up as a commune, with daily doses of "medicine" and 24\7 propaganda over loudspeakers sounds like a test at dealing with that element, imho.

Here is probably the most quoted piece of HG Well's "New World Order", which is NOT a novel, it is specifically written as a GUIDE BOOK for ACHIEVING a "New World Order" ...

HG Wells wrote:

"... when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people ... will hate the new world order ... and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people."

Yikes.
Again,
THAT is the scary thing about Jonestown,
NOT just that the CIA was allegedly doing mind control experiments,
but the notion that the CIA is merely an agent, an organ of a larger group with larger plans,
and that Jonestown was possibly just a small compartmentalized testing ground for much larger population-control (and here i don't mean reduction, i mean CONTROL, as in dealing with massive civil unrest) initiative. A place to see if people could be drugged and brainwashed in to submitting themselves to manual labor with minimal luxuries by some sort of "scientific" practices.

But that is just a jump off of the looney-bin diving board in to the Pool of Whacko.

Hey, Drifting. What's your view about tape Q875? Who made it, and where?

Hey Fins,
I am VERY suprised to see you posting in this thread.
Didn't know you were "like that".


Anyhow,
man as strange as you will think it is to hear this coming from me,
i can't (am not really good at) speculating on stuff like that.

This is sort of like, "who was on the grassy knoll" or "how many guns do you think their actually were in Dealey plaza".

I can do a lot of broader picture conjecture, but some of these specific questions are just beyond the knowable.

I have no idea if that tape is legit, or if it is fake or what.
What i WOULD like to know is how you even got to that level of intimacy with Jonestown.
Is this a pet conspiracy of yours or what?


i gots to get on the road motherfuckers!

Saw KoL last night in Cary (FUCKING AWESOME!)
and headed to Charlotte for some Dinosaur Jr \ Mike Watt and
then tomorrow for Kings of Leon again.

Fuck yeah.
PAY ATTENTION all you meanies who insist i have no fun and am a schizophrenic.
I'M GETTIN MY GROOVE ON THREE DAYS IN A ROW.
You could learn alot from this.

FinsburyParkCarrots

Oh, I'm a Jonestown freak. Anything I can read, however far-fetched or mundane, I will ...

Here's a bit of an uber-geeky forum on which I lurk but don't post. Interesting stuff about Q875 ...

http://q875.makeforum.org/q875-the-orig ... ks-f2.html

JD Sal

This is mildly interesting. I did a research paper back in school on subliminal messages being played in department stores to deter shoplifters. Stores that had the messages playing (very faint voice saying 'do not steal' or something similar) actually had less theft than the same stores without the subliminal messages. So it exists and it's out there. While I don't think the US govt is trying to control the country by using mind control through digital TV, I'm sure there are or could be some type of experimentations done through this medium.

OutOfBreath

JD Sal wrote:

This is mildly interesting. I did a research paper back in school on subliminal messages being played in department stores to deter shoplifters. Stores that had the messages playing (very faint voice saying 'do not steal' or something similar) actually had less theft than the same stores without the subliminal messages. So it exists and it's out there. While I don't think the US govt is trying to control the country by using mind control through digital TV, I'm sure there are or could be some type of experimentations done through this medium.

Were that controlled for other factors about the malls? I know from my line of work, that when you try something new to offset for instance sick-leave, companies who sign up usually give a fuck about their employees and thus have lower sick-leave anyway. You see a difference between companies joining the program and those staying outside for instance.

So, basically, I ask if it was controlled for self-selection effects? If not, that may be all it is. If not, then it's interesting.

Peace
Dan