SCARY SHIT! Digital TV: Mind Control by the Sound of Silence
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Folks, please at LEAST READ THIS before telling me i am crazy.
Digital TV: Mind Control by the Sound of Silence
Essentially the story is this:
The US Government (or the rogue sect of it, the Military Complex) has been working for 50 years on subliminal mind control technology (this stems back at LEAST to CIA's Project MK Ultra which is DOCUMENTED. MK = Mind Control) and the alleged pefection of this research process has resulted in a technology known as "Silent Sound Spread Spectrum" which is intended to be DISTRIBUTED THROUGH DIGITAL TELEVISION.
Essentially the article argues that the government is being ridiculously generous in its "gifts" of converter boxes and expenditures on its MANDATORY DIGITIAL CONVERSION plan. Why is the US Government spending 8 BILLION to give us BETTER TV QUALITY?
And why are they FORCING it on us? And WHY NOW?
This article quotes another article which it fails to actually site, but which I FOUND:
HIGH TECH PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE ARRIVES IN THE MIDDLE EAST
It was an ITV News of London article, and while NO MENTION WAS MADE IN THE US MEDIA, this article REPORTS THAT SECRET SUBLIMINAL MIND CONTROL TECHNOLOGY WAS USED IN THE GULF WAR.
That is apparaently what made 70,000+ Iraqi troops JUST SURRENDER WITHOUT FIGHT.
Anyone remember that?
In America the story was spun, "Iraqi army afraid to fight. Surrenders before conflict."
But apparently, and according to mainstream UK sources, IT WAS THE RESULT OF MIND CONTROL INFLICTED TERROR.
The article continues to extrapolate on how this technology has been fine tuned and prepared for "commercial" testing on the entire country of The United States, as it will be included in the Digital Television programming EVERYONE will be receiving as of mid-2009.
WEIRD? CRAZY? DEBUNKED?
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A year ago,
i'm not sure i would have believed this,
but these days, i'm not so quick to dismiss such ideas.
And, for Jlew, i wasn't searching for crazy mind control shit,
i was searching for information on the song Sounds of Silence,
because it was written by Simon in the months after JFK's assassination about the American public's shattered dreams and the fact that their inability to communicate was hampering the political recovery of the country. It was a warning that failure to have a dialogue on the ills of our country would only lead to the continuance of the bad "dream". It (the song) is a pretty biting criticism of the country's failure to discuss, and actively engage with eachother and against the evils of our time, and instead they simply bow back to the "neon god" (most often interpreted to be the TELEVISION itself) and continue talking about meaningless things, and hearing the truth but not really listening, or worse, failing to even recognize where the real truth would even come from -- the disenfranchised, the poor, the peope who have seen the real evils of our world -- those who are forced to write their crys on the subway walls and tenement halls.
Anyway.
I guess i shouldn't expect ANY intelligent discussion on a topic that is OBVIOUSLY CRAZY.
Digital TV: Mind Control by the Sound of Silence
Essentially the story is this:
The US Government (or the rogue sect of it, the Military Complex) has been working for 50 years on subliminal mind control technology (this stems back at LEAST to CIA's Project MK Ultra which is DOCUMENTED. MK = Mind Control) and the alleged pefection of this research process has resulted in a technology known as "Silent Sound Spread Spectrum" which is intended to be DISTRIBUTED THROUGH DIGITAL TELEVISION.
Essentially the article argues that the government is being ridiculously generous in its "gifts" of converter boxes and expenditures on its MANDATORY DIGITIAL CONVERSION plan. Why is the US Government spending 8 BILLION to give us BETTER TV QUALITY?
And why are they FORCING it on us? And WHY NOW?
This article quotes another article which it fails to actually site, but which I FOUND:
HIGH TECH PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE ARRIVES IN THE MIDDLE EAST
It was an ITV News of London article, and while NO MENTION WAS MADE IN THE US MEDIA, this article REPORTS THAT SECRET SUBLIMINAL MIND CONTROL TECHNOLOGY WAS USED IN THE GULF WAR.
That is apparaently what made 70,000+ Iraqi troops JUST SURRENDER WITHOUT FIGHT.
Anyone remember that?
In America the story was spun, "Iraqi army afraid to fight. Surrenders before conflict."
But apparently, and according to mainstream UK sources, IT WAS THE RESULT OF MIND CONTROL INFLICTED TERROR.
The article continues to extrapolate on how this technology has been fine tuned and prepared for "commercial" testing on the entire country of The United States, as it will be included in the Digital Television programming EVERYONE will be receiving as of mid-2009.
WEIRD? CRAZY? DEBUNKED?
????????????????????????????????
A year ago,
i'm not sure i would have believed this,
but these days, i'm not so quick to dismiss such ideas.
And, for Jlew, i wasn't searching for crazy mind control shit,
i was searching for information on the song Sounds of Silence,
because it was written by Simon in the months after JFK's assassination about the American public's shattered dreams and the fact that their inability to communicate was hampering the political recovery of the country. It was a warning that failure to have a dialogue on the ills of our country would only lead to the continuance of the bad "dream". It (the song) is a pretty biting criticism of the country's failure to discuss, and actively engage with eachother and against the evils of our time, and instead they simply bow back to the "neon god" (most often interpreted to be the TELEVISION itself) and continue talking about meaningless things, and hearing the truth but not really listening, or worse, failing to even recognize where the real truth would even come from -- the disenfranchised, the poor, the peope who have seen the real evils of our world -- those who are forced to write their crys on the subway walls and tenement halls.
Anyway.
I guess i shouldn't expect ANY intelligent discussion on a topic that is OBVIOUSLY CRAZY.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
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Editor’s Note
This is an extremely timely and important essay. It overviews a secret Pentagon psychotronics technology known as Silent Sound Spread Spectrum (SSSS) that has been fully operational since the early 1990s. I first found out about the use of this technology from Al Bielek in a 1992 video he made with Vladimir Terziski. This technology was used against battle-hardened Iraqi troops fortified in deep underground bunkers in Kuwait and Iraq in the first Gulf War in January of 1991.
The physical, emotional, and psychological effects of this technology were so severe that hundreds of thousands of Iraqi troops surrended en masse without firing even a single shot against US led coalition forces. The numbers reported in the news were staggering: 75,000 and then annother 125,000 (or more) Iraqi troops would come out of their deep desert bunkers waving white flags and falling to their knees before approaching US troops and literally kiss their captor’s boots or hands if given the opportunity.
Why would eight year veterans of Middle Eastern warfare (with Iran 1980-1988) behave this way? Simple. They were subjected to a technology that was so extreme and incomprehensible that they were suddenly reduced to the level of compliant children and felt grateful to still be alive in the wake of their mind-wrenching experience.
This technology is about to be used, albeit in a more subtle fashion, against American citizens in a highly classified and covert operation to mind control and manipulate the entire population into ‘compliance’ with our New World order overlords. The technology will utilize a combination of HAARP transmitters, GWEN towers, microwave cell phone towers, and the soon-to-be-mandatory High Definition Digital TV that will enter your home via: a) cable, b) satellite, c) HD TVs, or d) those oh-so-easy-to-obtain “digital converter boxes” that the government is so anxious to help you obtain and underwrite most of the cost on your behalf.
But why is the government so anxious to help American citizens experience a clearer and more highly defined television picture? Does that make sense to you? Since when is the government so concerned about the visual quality of our televised entertainment that congress would pass an undebated statutory proclamation which mandated that the HD conversion take place on Feb. 17, 2009 and and then subsidze about 90% of the associated cost?
I’m only guessing, but if there are 200 million “regular” televisions in America to be converted into HD, then that $40 in government subsidy per TV × 200,000,000 = $8 billion. Why is the government so anxious to spend 8 billion dollars on her citizens to improve the clarity of a TV picture? Or is the recently touted “additional bandwidth” cover story that supposedly is to be gained with the HD technology the only and genuine reason for spending so much taxpayer dollars on HD conversion?
The second service that this author performs is to “out” two of our more deceptive CIA/Pentagon ‘assets’ masquerading under the rubric of natural health advocates. Their names are Rima Laibow and her husband, “former” Major General Albert Stubblebine. If your e-mail Inbox has been filling with warnings and articles in recent months about the coming Codex regulations and the “wonderful” job that Rima and her retired Army husband have been doing to try and stem the tide, then you know who I’m talking about.
Folks, is it time to wake up yet? Or should we just resume our slumber and wait for them to take us away in those spiffy Gunderson cattle cars that Phil Schneider warned us about in 1995 (you know, the ones with the built in shackles and manacles)?
Ken Adachi, Educate Yourself.org
THE SOUND OF SILENCE
The Antithesis of Freedom
The year was 1961, and John Kennedy was soon to become the 35th President. Shortly before Kennedy’s inauguration, President Dwight D. Eisenhower shocked the nation and the world with his televised farewell speech. The speech’s content was shocking because General Eisenhower was a very popular war hero, and American military might was second to none.
Eisenhower, a highly decorated five-star general, was the Supreme Commander of all allied forces during World War II. It was Eisenhower’s leadership during the Normandy invasion that ultimately freed Europe from the Nazi scourge.
Incredibly, in his farewell address, this great American hero did not warn the nation of the budding communist threat or the horrors of nuclear proliferation. No, not at all! Instead, this career military genius poignantly and soberly declared to this great nation:
“… We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.
“This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every state house, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to recognize its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or our democratic processes.”
Here we have a career military officer, and sitting US President warning the nation in his final farewell speech, that something called “unwarranted influence by the military-industrial complex” poses an extremely dangerous threat to our Free Republic society. According to Eisenhower, this threat “exists and will persist.”
To President Eisenhower, in January of 1961, this evil was a much greater threat to America than Castro’s Cuba or Kruschev’s Soviet Union. What exactly could have happened in the “military-industrialist” establishment that would have caused
Eisenhower to issue such a strongly worded warning? Improved machine gun production? Nope. Battleship production? Nope. Nuclear submarines? Nope. Proliferation of nuclear warheads? A concern of course, but a concern that most Americans were fully aware of.
No, obviously what caused Eisenhower such deep concern had to be something much more pervasively shadowy, dark and secret. Some new, covert, technology had clearly emerged that had the very real potential to provide certain individuals with the “acquisition of unwarranted influence” that in turn would “endanger our liberties or our democratic processes” (i.e., our free and fair election process). In other words, it had the clear potential to circumvent the voice of the people and completely empower un-elected power mongers.
Eisenhower, I would submit, was warning America about something called the “Sound of Silence”.
Eisenhower was an honest and patriotic American. Like Marine Corp General Smedley Butler, who decades earlier declared to Congress that “War is a Racket,” Ike knew that such absolute power and total covert control over the minds and hearts of individual citizens would corrupt society absolutely. He also knew and understood, as did the German philosopher Goethe: “No man is more hopelessly enslaved, than he who falsely believes that he is free.” Therefore, he issued his strong, concluding warning to America. Today, this author must do no less.
The Sound of Silence is a military-intelligence code word for certain psychotronic weapons of mass mind-control tested in the mid-1950s, perfected during the 70s, and used extensively by the “modern” US military in the early 90s, despite the opposition and warnings issued by men such as Dwight David Eisenhower.
This mind-altering covert weapon is based on something called subliminal carrier technology, or the Silent Sound Spread Spectrum (SSSS) (also nicknamed S-Quad or “Squad” in military jargon). It was developed for military use by Dr. Oliver Lowery of Norcross, Georgia, and is described in US Patent #5,159,703 — “Silent Subliminal Presentation System” for commercial use in 1992. The patent abstract reads:
“A silent communications system in which nonaural carriers, in the very low (ELF) or very high audio-frequency (VHF) range or in the adjacent ultrasonic frequency spectrum, are amplitude- or frequency-modulated with the desired intelligence and propagated acoustically or vibrationally, for inducement into the brain, typically through the use of loudspeakers, earphones, or piezoelectric transducers. The modulated carriers may be transmitted directly in real time or may be conveniently recorded and stored on mechanical, magnetic, or optical media for delayed or repeated transmission to the listener.”
In layman’s terms, this device, this “Sound of Silence”simply allows for the unwarranted implantation of specific thoughts, emotions, and even prescribed physical actions into unsuspecting human beings. In short, it has the very real ability to turn human beings into mere puppets in the hands of certain “controllers,” or puppet-masters.
Eisenhower knew full well what such a “weapon” could do in the hands of greedy, conspiring men and women scheming to control the planet. It could easily result in the takeover of American society without a single bullet being fired. This is what he was warning America about, this is the “combination” he feared above all others.
Have the leaders of America ignored Ike’s warning? Have conspiring and evil men and women utilized this diabolical technology on unsuspecting Americans and others outside of our borders? If so, will they continue to utilize the technology through the medium of television and radio? This exposé will attempt to answer these questions, and give the reader a clear picture of exactly who made the decisions to use the “Sound of Silence” in both war and peace.
On March 23, 1991, a news brief was released in the form of an ITV News Bureau Ltd (London) wire service bulletin entitled “High-Tech Psychological Warfare Arrives in the Middle East.” This was during the administration of George Bush Sr., during “Operation Desert Storm,” and describes in remarkable detail a US Psychological Operations (psy-ops) covert operation successfully deployed against Iraqi troops in Kuwait.
Saddam Hussein’s vaunted “Republican Guard” crack troops were promising Bush “the mother of all battles” with many thousands of dead coalition troops. On paper, it looked convincing. Hussein’s Republican Guard troops were battle-hardened veterans of the 10 year war with Iran, while coalition troops were unblooded. The Iraqis had modern weaponry and were well trained in how to use it.
Something very strange happened, however. The “mother of all battles” ended before it began, as literally hundreds of thousands of Iraqi soldiers surrendered en masse without even firing a shot!
Here is what the British press reported on the incident (while the American press was censored):
“… an unbelievable and highly classified psy-ops program utilizing ‘Silent Sound’ techniques was successfully deployed. The opportunity to use this method occurred when Saddam Hussein’s military command-and-control system was destroyed. The Iraqi troops were then forced to use commercial FM radio stations to carry encoded commands, which were broadcast on the 100 MHz frequency. The US psy-ops team set up its own portable FM transmitter, utilizing the same frequency, in the deserted city of Al Khafji. This US transmitter overpowered the local Iraqi station. Along with patriotic and religious music, psy-ops transmitted ‘vague, confusing and contradictory military orders and information.
“Subliminally, a much more powerful technology was at work, however. A sophisticated electronic system designed to ‘speak’ directly to the mind of the listener; to alter and entrain his brainwaves, to manipulate his brain’s electroencephalographic (EEG) patterns and thus artificially implant negative emotional states —- feelings of intense fear, anxiety, despair and hopelessness were created in the Iraqi troops. This incredibly effective subliminal system doesn’t just tell a person to feel an emotion, it makes them feel it; it implants that emotion in their minds.”
While utilizing such a “non-lethal” covert psy-ops weapon resulted in many lives being saved, both American, Coalition, as well as Iraqi, the question begs to be asked: how can Americans be assured that such a weapon is not being used on them by “Big Brother” on a daily basis?
Moreover, why was the real story behind the mass Iraqi surrenders censored so completely from the American people? Typically, secrecy of this nature is only employed when the subject is morally offensive, or when the powers that be wish to continue to deploy the subject without public scrutiny or oversight, or both. Clearly, if such a device employed covertly on Americans could result in “unwarranted influence” over a society, as Eisenhower warned, I submit the majority of Americans would be completely outraged and incensed, and rightfully so. Therefore, of course the technology would need to remain hidden away.
Officially, the Sound of Silence (S-quad) technology does not exist, just as the US Government officially denies the existence of UFOs and Area 51 (Groom Lake) in the Nevada desert. However, the physical realities cannot be ignored by the rational and logical mind.
For instance, during the first Gulf war, the man who most likely ordered the deployment of the Sound of Silence was Major General Albert (Bert) Stubblebine, who was the Commanding General of the US Army’s Intelligence School and Center, as well as the Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command (ERADCOM) as well as the Army’s Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM). In short, Albert Stubblebine was the Army’s liaison with the CIA and Naval Intelligence operatives (ONI), and as head of ERADCOM, he would of necessity have had complete working knowledge of the Sound of Silence weaponry, if indeed it truly exists.
He was the US Army’s top spy-boss, and of course, was privy to all its secrets. Now retired from active duty following a 32 year career, General Stubblebine has combined with his wife, Rima Laibow to form something called the Natural Solutions Foundation, supposedly dedicated to fighting all health freedom threats to individuals including Codex Alimentarius, vaccinations, and of course the FDA Gestapo.
On their website, www.healthfreedomusa.org one can read this about Albert N. Stubblebine: “Many of the innovations he developed helped the US to conduct the First Gulf W ar effectively and swiftly with a very low casualty rate.”
But of course, such “innovations” are never fully disclosed to Americans and are officially non-existent. With all due respect to General Stubblebine and shadowy power-brokers such as Frank Carlucci and Donald Rumsfeld, this author concurs whole-heartedly with General Eisenhower, and I declare that such posturing and secrecy with weapons of mind-control constitutes indeed an “acquisition of unwarranted power and influence” and has absolutely no place in a free and open society — no matter how many soldier’s lives it may save on the battlefield. The potential for massive misuse and abuse of such immense controlling power is simply too great.
Furthermore, with all due respect Mr. Stubblebine, is he and Rima Laibow using the cover of Natural Health activistism to hide their true agenda? Could this hidden agenda be the covert promotion and testing of Sound of Silence equipment and technology commercially throughout the world?
… Immediately after “retiring” from the army, General Stubblebine took a position as the “VP for Intelligence Systems” with Braddock, Dunn, and McDonald (BDM), a major defense contractor owned by the shadowy Carlyle Group and ex-Defense Secretary Frank Carlucci of Iran-Contra infamy…
Since the Sound of Silence machine technology was patented for “privatization” commercial applications by Dr. Lowery on October 27, 1992 , it clearly opened the door to private defense contractors such as BDM to develop their own “intelligence systems”. It would then make sense to employ General Stubblebine as a consultant. Of course, what would then stop BDM from quietly marketing and selling the Sound of Silence to large corporations tied to Wall Street?
For example, imagine utilizing the Sound of Silence in a large Wal-Mart store, mixing the ELF waves with background music to subliminally brainwash dishonest shoppers not to engage in shoplifting? Such a device would save Sam Walton many millions of dollars in lost revenue every year.
Suppose also that a young, black man from Illinois was given access to, and was able to utilize the S-quad Sound of Silence technology in his public speeches, radio and 30-minute television“infomercials” — all programmed and designed by “handlers” to illicit strong emotional responses from audience members who then are merely “hearing without listening.”
Moreover, what if televisions across the US and Canada all went 100% digital [to be mandatory in Feb. 2009] in their signals (in order to successfully link to GWEN towers) which would allow the unrestricted use of the Sound of Silence frequencies in a complete and massive control of the nation’s mind and consciousness?
I am telling you that is exactly what is happening. President Eisenhower was absolutely correct, and his worst fears were indeed well founded!
The military-industrialist complex has quietly completed the takeover of the nation’s consciousness, and thus its very soul.
… Keep in mind that taking complete fascist control of America is just one step of the Zionist elites ultimate agenda, of which Stubblebine and Laibow have very likely pledged their true loyalty. The elitist Zionists overall objective is indeed absolute world control, something they refer to as a “New World Order”with them as dictators and overlords.
Again, the absolute secrecy surrounding the development and deployment of the electromagnetic mind-altering technology of the Sound of Silence in a very real way reflects the tremendous power that is inherent in it. This is why Eisenhower knew that he had to warn the nation about it back in 1961. To put it bluntly, whoever controls this technology literally has the power to control the minds of men — all men and women everywhere.
Of course, whoever controls the minds of all humans, controls the wealth and destiny of planet Earth. Furthermore, Stubblebine, as commander of Army Intelligence would likely follow the prescribed manual of all covert ops, such as is found in a declassified US manual for the planned subversion and coup of the government of Nicaragua. The manual instructs the CIA “guerilla forces” to engage in different “false front” organizations designed to win the respect, trust, and influence of the enemy. Once complete trust and confidence is achieved by means of the activities of the “false front,” then the destruction of the enemy by means of misdirection and disinformation tactics can more easily be executed.
I would submit there is no better “false front” to infiltrate in America than Natural Health proponents, for they are typically healthier, better informed, and more dedicated to preserving individual freedoms and fighting tyranny than other Americans. Thus, there could be no better “false front” to establish, and there is clearly no more potentially vicious wolf hiding in sheep’s clothing than the man who knows more about the Sound of Silence secret deployment than any other human…
There is ample evidence that certain elitists in America and Israel plan to definitely extend the capacity of this technology to encompass all people on every continent. A key to this is the HAARP project where ELF and VHF frequencies can indeed be beamed off of the Earth’s ionosphere to various GWEN towers world-wide.
Of course, the US Government officially denies all of this, telling the talking heads of the controlled news media that the GWEN towers are merely private cell-phone towers with no ulterior agenda, and therefore anybody who thinks otherwise is a lunatic-fringe conspiracy nut.
The evidence to the contrary, however is clear and unequivocal. Dr Michael Persinger is a professor of psychology and neuroscience at Laurentian University, Ontario, Canada. Concerning this subject, Dr Persinger writes:
“Temporal lobe stimulation can evoke the feeling of a presence, disorientation, and perceptual irregularities. It can activate images stored in the subject’s memory, including nightmares and monsters that are normally suppressed. Contemporary neuroscience suggests the existence of fundamental algorithms by which all sensory transduction is translated into an intrinsic, brain-specific code. Direct stimulation of these codes within the human temporal or limbic cortices by applied electromagnetic patterns may require energy levels which are within the range of both geomagnetic activity and contemporary communication networks. A process which is coupled to the narrow band of brain temperature could allow all normal human brains to be affected by a sub-harmonic whose frequency range at about 10 Hz would only vary by 0.1 Hz.”
Dr Persinger concludes the article by writing:
“Within the last two decades a potential has emerged which was improbable, but which is now feasible. This potential is the technical capability to influence directly the major portion of the approximately 6.5 billion brains of the human species, without mediation through classical sensory modalities, by generating neural information within a physical medium within which all members of the species are immersed.
“The historical emergence of such possibilities, which have ranged from gunpowder to atomic fission, have resulted in major changes in the social evolution that occurred inordinately quickly after the implementation. Reduction of the risk of the inappropriate application of these technologies requires the continued and open discussion of their realistic feasibility and implications within the scientific and public domain.”
How can one have an “open discussion” on the subject when government circles continually deny the existence of such technology?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Silent subliminal presentation system
A silent communications system in which nonaural carriers, in the very low or very high audio frequency range or in the adjacent ultrasonic frequency spectrum, are amplitude or frequency modulated with the desired intelligence and propagated acoustically or vibrationally, for inducement into the brain, typically through the use of loudspeakers, earphones or piezoelectric transducers. The modulated carriers may be transmitted directly in real time or may be conveniently recorded and stored on mechanical, magnetic or optical media for delayed or repeated transmission to the listener.
Inventors: Lowery; Oliver M. (5188 Falconwood Ct., Norcross, GA 30071)
Appl. No.: 458339
Filed: December 28, 1989
AND HERE IS THE PART OF EISENHOWER'S SPEECH THAT THE ARTICLE DID NOT MENTION
No one ever seems to mention THAT part of Ike's speech.
WHOA.
And then, finally,
Simon & Garfunkel - The Sounds of Silence
If I opened it now would you not understand?
...
Besides, Television has been rotting the mind for decades.. I mean, what are the top rated television shows? 'Dancing with the Stars'??? 'Gossip Girls'??? 'The O'Riley Factor'??? Not to mention the myriad of mindless shit on daytime T.V. Remember, television brought us those tools from 'The Hills' and 'Who Wants To Marry A millionaire'. Turn the mother fucking shit OFF.
Hail, Hail!!!
Has anyone around here read 1984,
and does no one see how ANY of this (this being EVERYthing going on rightnow) draws MAJOR parallels?
??????
If I opened it now would you not understand?
But, to be sure, the CIA and intelligence agencies are up to much more than they would lead us to believe. The douchebags ruin everything, i wouldn't put it past them to ruin tv as well.
Those that would give up a little liberty for security deserve neither liberty or security.
something like that.
the intelligence douchebags need to be reigned in. given less money (no money). no power to spy on americans, no power over americans.
they need to be reminded that they work for us.
douchebags.
WE work for THEM.
They don't need reminding.
The CIA IS the establishment.
It's their fucking goon squad.
Read the history of the damn organization.
Go get a book like The Old Boys by Burton Hersh.
The CIA was started, funded, and staffed by the same group of supra-national bankers, lawyers and heavy industry interests that have caused all the major problems of the moder era.
Does anyone really understand who a guy like Allen Dulles was? Besides being the FIRST and LONGEST RULING director of the CIA, the guy was also, and among other things:
a. The Director of THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS (started by a motley crew, spearheaded by JP MORGAN and also including JOHN D ROCKEFELLER JR. and plenty other "great" folks)
url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations#Morgan_and_Rockefeller_involvement]Wikipedia Page on Council on Foreign Relations: Subsection: "Morgan and Rockefeller Involvement"[/url
b. The Director of THE COI (precursor to Office of Strategic Services) operating out of ROCKEFELLER CENTER.
c. He was a member of W. Wilson's "The Inquiry"
d. He (along with, and on the coatheel's of his older brother) was a partner at Sullivan & Cromwell , an ultra-high-profile New York law firm that was VERY prominent and worked hand in hand with Wall St. and has quite a few very strong connections back to the ROCKEFELLERS once again. (for instance, long time litigation depatment head H.F Stone is a member of the Stone family which actually MARRIED IN TO THE ROCKEFELLER FAMILY. HF Stone was also once both Attorney General and Supreme Court CHIEF Justice -- this should show you how far the "revolving door" swings both ways -- at least, if you have connections to say, The Rockefellers) ... [Sullivan & Cromwell was also later instrumental in getting the Panama Canal constructed, another giant "conspiracy" if you dig in to it at length]
e. The Son of a Sec. of State
That is to say THE DEPARTMENT (google "The Department" and see the 4th entry)
f. The Brother of a Sec. of State
g. Nephew of a Catholic Cardinal and Jesuit Priest
QUESTION:
DO YOU REALLY THINK THIS GUY
AND GUYS LIKE HIM
NEED TO BE TOLD "YOU WORK FOR US"?
OR DO YOU THINK THEY JUST CHUCKLE IN YOUR FACE?
THEY WORK FOR US !?!?!?!?!?!!?!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Its possible.
who knows?>
that MK Ultra shit is legit. The CIA has experimented with mind control, their documents have shown that, as have countless witnesses that were subjected to the experiments.
And that was 20? 30 years ago.
Who knows how far they took it?
But This is all just starting to sound the like the batshit rantings of Mcihelle Bachman, Glenn Beck and that crazy cat lady down the street. I'm thinking that before long we'll be told that the president was born in Kenya and his a muslim who's a socialist even thought his Christian minister is a Nazi and he's a multi-billionaire.
Really.. There's the stuff I'll believe (The Black Ops and murder squads in the middle east funded by the US) and stuff that I could believe (911 being an inside job to kill about 8 birds with 3 stones) and then the batshit stuff I read above.
That being said... I've been fooled before.
You need to watch the documentary, "Crazy Rulers of the World",and then get back to me on "Bat Shit Crazy".
Major General Albert Stubbelbine is actually interviewed for that documentary, and you can see for your self that some of the high level Military Establishment is indeed bat shit crazy.
Coming from the men who wanted to stop goats hearts from beating by staring at them,
or by walking through walls by concentrating on staring at it for hours,
the idea of mind controling the nation through television emerges as one of the more SANE AND GROUNDED thoughts to be considered (if indeed it is being so).
Beyond that,
i'm having trouble understanding exactly WHAT you are attempting to dismiss as "bat shit crazy".
I guess, ME, possibly, for simply suggesting that any of this could be true.
But you yourself seem to acknowledge that Jonestown was an absolute LIE as far as the public was concerned.
So you know what is what.
All i am saying is that there is NOTHING in this article that isn't, at the least, PLAUSIBLE. Maybe it's not even probable, but it is plausible. And some of the information in the article is coroborated and disturbing.
Have you ever heard that the iraqi troops in the gulf war surrendered after being subjected to ultra-secret military technology that is IDENTICAL to what the article suggests they are tagging on to Digital Television?
I hadn't either. BUT IT WAS REPORTED IN THE NEWS.
Now obviously, one has to pick and choose the sources they believe, but i find it interesting, at the least, that the US Government was even field testing mind control in battle conditions some 20 years ago.
If you can swallow that,
why the hell couldn't you see the "logic" in rolling that system over to "domestic control"?
What do you make of that portion of Eisenhower's speech that i posted?
I'd never seen reference to that poriton anywhere, and it sure is some scary wording.
"the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite."
That sounds like Alex Jones.
But it's one of our Presidents giving a grave warning.
Yikes.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
You know what?
I really don't put much past the government after I heard that they actually admitted planning a "gay bomb" which would make soldiers gay. That's bat shit crazy... but it's true.
(mind you, I'd personally love to get my hands on one of those and let it go at a PJ concert, so just watch out if you're in LA)
As far-fetched as it all seems... I'll read it all and form an opinion myself.
What exactly happened at Jonestown in the 70s?
we wish we knew.
But one thing is for sure... it didn't have to happen.
Seems that Jim Jones had maybe a bit more backing than people knew.. but he was a total nut bar.. when he saw it coming down either he decided to kill himself and all his followers or he wanted to get his followers to kill themselves and escape but was executed to keep him quiet.
Or something.. there's lots of theories. All that's known is that most of them died from drinking poisoned Koolaid. Some might have been rounded up as they tried to flee by the Green Burets. Jim himself was shot execution style in the back of the head.
and most were INJECTED WITH POISOIN IN THE BACK OF THE UPPER ARM
NOT GIVEN FLAVOR-AID.
The number of dead bodies with injection marks in places that YOU COULD NOT INJECT YOURSELF numbered into THE HUNDREDS.
Most of those people were murdered with poison,
and many who were not, were shot in the back with rifles,
and their bodies stacked one ontop of eachother.
He's right, sludge, no one REALLY knows what happened at JTown,
but it appears to have several major connections right back to ... you guessed it ... the CIA.
Congressman Ryan's travel attache from the State Department (Dwyer) was actually an intelligence agent, Jim Jones has been linked to intelligence himself, and the Jonestown compound was found containing hundreds of thousands of doses of several different psychoactive drugs that the CIA itself had been testing in MK Ultra projects at the time.
None of it really seems to add up when you start looking in to it.
This is usually the part where i again suggest that people simply go and download the torrent for Evidence of Revision. Part 5 contains large amounts of information on Jonestown, including lots of conressional testimony by one of Ryan's surviving aids (Ryan was the nosey congressman that was guned down while visiting Jonestown -- he was a MAJOR thorn in the side of the CIA, and its possible that the entire event was used for the purpose of having him disposed of, as well).
EDIT: Hey sludge factory, here is a good overview of all the shady CIA shenanigans and connections to Jonestown.
Read that, and tell me the "official" story sounds more probable than the "conspiracy".
Okhams Razor, shmazor. Sometimes shit runs deep.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Why?
I'm well adjusted and happy.
Again,
NO ONE has presented me with ANYTHING in this article that screams "phoney", "bunk" or any other such.
Certainly it falls well short of PROOF,
but like i said, there is nothing that is not PLAUSIBLE,
and there is plenty of reason to think that the MIC would be interested in such a weapon.
And of course,
Eisenhower himself SPECIFICALY WARNED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT BEING CONTROLLED BY A SCIENTIFIC-TECHNOLOGICAL ELITE.
Once more,
What do YOU think he was talking about?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
So Jonestown was basically set up as a testing ground for CIA type programs then? That's pretty fucked up.
Yeah,
no one really seems to be sure just how "deep" that experiment went though.
I mean, Congressman Ryan's children sued the government over it, alleging wrongful death and conspiracy to murder on behalf of the CIA and the Federal Government.
However, i have yet to hear any thoughtout analysis of exactly WHAT the CIA's interest was in something like Jonestown. I mean, there are clearly PLENTY of other ways to conduct mind control experiments. The CIA had been doing them since the 50s at least, and none of them seemed to involve labor-concentration camp style "communal" (of the top down, controlled, authoritarian variety) experiences that centered around intensive propaganda and impoverished living conditions.
I hate to do this, because it is pure speculation, and probably not even that well thought out,
but just going on the gestalt of modern day conspiracy one would almost have to approach Jonestown from the sense of, "is this where REX84 was headed? is this the plan for the post-oil, post-crisis, post-constitutional population controled world?"
Obviously that line of thinking gets pretty "wacky" pretty quick.
However, even just looking at what is being pushed in to the mainstream now, like "peak oil" which used to be counterculture but now is being slowly intergrated in to the collective mind ...
one has to wonder (disregarding whether oil is even truly a "fossil" fuel, or whether it truly is "limited" and in decline) if the elite plan for population control is centered around a post oil world where the "hard labor" of agricultural ages past becomes a forced cultural norm again -- forced in the sense that i'm not sure i buy into "peak oil" anymore, the more scientificaly minded here should poke around in the "abiotic oil theory"literature realm some, because apparently they have been using the thesis of abiotic oil in russia since the 1980's to successfully drill for it.
Going back to current "new world order" theory for a second, one thing that is constantly repeated is "the technological-elite want a one world neo-feudalistic scientific dictatorship. This is something that one can find even in the "mainsteam" by way of literary classics such as 1984 or Brave New World, and also the lesser known scientific-socialist-eutopian head in the sky blueprint, HG Well's 1940 The New World Order (which while it mentions the aspect of scientific develoment as ushering in possible "wonderlands", is a book which primarily focuses on the post-"capitalist" socialist "new world order", and thus is more usefull for understanding the post-free-market implications of "their" plan).
Anyway, looking at Jonestown in THAT light,
it really forces you to think whether this was some sort of ground test for THAT model of a world.
A world in which citizens used to the luxuries of an oil soaked life, and possibly traumatized by the horrors of a post-major-crisis-world (folks, Zbigniew Brzinsky has already stated his thesis that global peace can be brought about through increased violence to the point where humanity subdues itself in to peace through exhaustion of violence, go figure).
If you were going to try to pull of a scheme THAT big (read these quotes about the NWO),
you would need some plans to deal with the malcontents and those that just refused to play ball.
A concentration camp dressed up as a commune, with daily doses of "medicine" and 24\7 propaganda over loudspeakers sounds like a test at dealing with that element, imho.
Here is probably the most quoted piece of HG Well's "New World Order", which is NOT a novel, it is specifically written as a GUIDE BOOK for ACHIEVING a "New World Order" ...
Yikes.
Again,
THAT is the scary thing about Jonestown,
NOT just that the CIA was allegedly doing mind control experiments,
but the notion that the CIA is merely an agent, an organ of a larger group with larger plans,
and that Jonestown was possibly just a small compartmentalized testing ground for much larger population-control (and here i don't mean reduction, i mean CONTROL, as in dealing with massive civil unrest) initiative. A place to see if people could be drugged and brainwashed in to submitting themselves to manual labor with minimal luxuries by some sort of "scientific" practices.
But that is just a jump off of the looney-bin diving board in to the Pool of Whacko.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Was there an outcome of this trial? Did it even go to court?
LOL
Because your wild-assed conspiracy theories have gotten to the point where they are SCREAMING "paranoid schizophrenia". That isn't a condition to fuck around with.
Then again if you are, in fact, happy, then you've got me beat. carry on, i guess.
You are aware 1984 was a work of fiction and not based on true events, right?
You've really outdone yourself this time my man.
[insert Watchmen intro sequence]
Oh the times they are a-changin'.
what gets me about theories such as this is... well... do you think that that those people who create this mind kontrol shit dont have relatives and friends? If i worked in a secret department and i knew that we had created a mind control thingy that went through the TV... well i'd phone my sisters, my parents, my 3 cousins who i like a lot, etc etc etc etc etc and tell them "dont watch tv on this date"... and then i'd have to explain why.. after explaining why they might phone their parents, friends, etc...
the fucking president down to the litter pickers watch the TV... the guys who you claim created this shit will have wives who watch the fucking tv... it's nonsense to think that a nationwide mind control program would be controlled by 14 lonely orphans who work for a secret government organisation...
i just pitched this idea to the head of Dreamworks and he told me "it's too far fetched"... this is Dreamworks.... they made Minority Report for fuck sake and they think this story is 'far fetched!!'
so you come across some random article and take it as 100% fact? seriously, you are a smart guy. but stop taking everything you read on the net as fact. the intenet is a big place, not everything you find is true.
That doesn't make any sense. Why would they post it if it wasn't true?
On another note, if any ladies are reading, I have a 10-inch cock, 6-pack abs, and a summer home in the Bahamas.