Is anyone else afraid the new pj record could be weak?

danny

otter wrote:

After reading Ed's interview in newsweek and then finding out that he's touring solo I got scared.

Is anyone else worried that with Ed in such a good mood the songs might be lame or will the work of Mike, Stone, Jeff and Matt be enough to overcome hearing Ed sing about how great he thinks Obama is? I voted for McCain just to piss off Eddie.

I am praying that I'm way off base here. There is nothing in this world that I look forward to more than a new Pearl Jam album. Nothing.

Somebody please put my mind at ease...

Peace

not with brendan obrien!

dcfaithful

I BrisK I wrote:

"I voted for McCain just to piss off Eddie."

Serial?

Yeah, WTF?! If you voted for Bush, I hope that wasn't your reasoning as well.

DewieCox

soulsinging wrote:

analogueaddict72 wrote:

The only track I dislike is come back the rest is fine and I prefer it to Riot Act although my view of Binaural is changed and I think I prefer to the S/T.

Whatever they deliver I'm sure it will be fine, I'm not sure we can expect anything like Vs , Vitalogy or Yield again but who knows?

I heard shorter tracks mentioned and Brendan is back on board so that's always a good thing in my book. I've never found any of their albums lame, I think for me RA is their weakest and some like that the best.

That's what worries me... short songs. Their best songs are long and epic and take time to deliver... Immortality, Present Tense, In Hiding, All or None, Inside Job, Corduroy, Alive, Even flow, Black, etc. Compare to the short punkish pieces of shit that have clogged the last 3 albums: Gods' Dice, Evacuation, Grievance, Comatose, Big Wave, Save You, Can't Keep, Ghost, Cropduster, Get Right, Help Help, Green Disease... a LOT of throwaway tracks there that nobody is missing from a set. What are the songs people get excited about hearing? The ones I listed before. Shorter songs is NOT a good sign.

I agree. Get rid of the punk songs. I disagree on what you classify as a punk song though. It baffles me, why does such a melodically strong band dumb down their sound?

Greivance, Evacuation, Cropduster, HelpHelp? You're not calling these punkish, right?

Riot Act suffered from boring performances,imo. Alot of RA songs are amazing live.

I think they need to get back to the bluesy foundation of their first 5 albums as opposed to the overt punk leanings. It started creeping back in for S/T.

Snoopy Died For Our Sins

I'm just teasing ya sport....

Pearl Jam has created and earned the opportunity and privelege of doing things at their own pace...it does come with age and experience...things change a lot as you get older with a band...some things just cannot be rushed...and I, for one think the new record will be exceptional....I really like all but 2 tracks on Avocado...and on most PJ records I like nearly all the tracks...how many other bands can we honestly say that about? No other bands even come close to that for me.... [/quote]

And I have earned the right to be critical of the band's work. I've listened and loved them for years, so if I say something sucks, it's not to get down on them, it's because I'm disappointed and hold them to a high standard, a standard they set. And no, they haven't been busted buying coke or anything. But all their interviews kind of indicate that the band isn't really working on this together. The interviews talk about passing around tapes with song ideas, Ed never being in the studio and instead popping in now and again to give them half formed lyrics that "need a lot of work", etc. Meanwhile, he's been popping up at every benefit that will have him and doing his own solo tour. As I've said, it's his life and his business what he wants to do, I'm not hating on him for it. But I am saying it doesn't bode well for the album. Compare the vibe we all got to see on Single Video Theory, with a relaxed band hanging around their own little studio batting ideas around and pretty much playing live. Compare that to the stories we hear now... they record in some posh studio in LA (which they said they hated doing for Vs) and never give any indication they've ever been in there at the same time... quite the opposite in fact. I don't think people are out of bounds for wondering where this band and album are headed.[/quote]


No one says you don't have the right.... :?:
They have right too though, it's their music, not ours...

soulsinging

DewieCox wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

analogueaddict72 wrote:

The only track I dislike is come back the rest is fine and I prefer it to Riot Act although my view of Binaural is changed and I think I prefer to the S/T.

Whatever they deliver I'm sure it will be fine, I'm not sure we can expect anything like Vs , Vitalogy or Yield again but who knows?

I heard shorter tracks mentioned and Brendan is back on board so that's always a good thing in my book. I've never found any of their albums lame, I think for me RA is their weakest and some like that the best.

That's what worries me... short songs. Their best songs are long and epic and take time to deliver... Immortality, Present Tense, In Hiding, All or None, Inside Job, Corduroy, Alive, Even flow, Black, etc. Compare to the short punkish pieces of shit that have clogged the last 3 albums: Gods' Dice, Evacuation, Grievance, Comatose, Big Wave, Save You, Can't Keep, Ghost, Cropduster, Get Right, Help Help, Green Disease... a LOT of throwaway tracks there that nobody is missing from a set. What are the songs people get excited about hearing? The ones I listed before. Shorter songs is NOT a good sign.

I agree. Get rid of the punk songs. I disagree on what you classify as a punk song though. It baffles me, why does such a melodically strong band dumb down their sound?

Greivance, Evacuation, Cropduster, HelpHelp? You're not calling these punkish, right?

Riot Act suffered from boring performances,imo. Alot of RA songs are amazing live.

I think they need to get back to the bluesy foundation of their first 5 albums as opposed to the overt punk leanings. It started creeping back in for S/T.

I'd say Grievance might be kinda punkish, but the other I just listed when I was on a roll racking up their shitty 3 minute tunes Riot Act did suffer from half baked performances, which is why I'm not optimistic about this album. If ever a band sounded disinterested in an album, it's PJ in this album. I just get a huge "Robert Plant on not touring with LZ becos I'm having plenty of success on my own right now" vibe from Ed these days.

You nailed it though... this band has so many brilliantly bluesy, melodic rock songs. It boggles my mind why they seem to have tossed all that aside to do a bunch of dumb punk-inspired riff rockers. I feel like this has become a huge problem since Matt joined the band... there's no more groove in their music. It's all fast and heavy. Listen to g2f on Yield and listen to it live last tour... it's barely the same song anymore.

soulsinging

36 year old PJ addict wrote:

No one says you don't have the right.... :?:
They have right too though, it's their music, not ours...

Aye, that they do. Though honestly if they're not interested in the band, I'd rather they split than just keep turning out albums of them going through the motions like the Rolling Stones. Ed can go solo, Matt can do his thing, and Jeff, Stone, and Mike can get Shawn Smith to for a new band with some serious funk and soul

evenflowman

I BrisK I wrote:

"I voted for McCain just to piss off Eddie."

Serial?

Wow I am sure he really cares!

PJFAN_seattle

evenflowman wrote:

I BrisK I wrote:

"I voted for McCain just to piss off Eddie."

Serial?

Wow I am sure he really cares!

excuse me, he is heartbroken.

still alive in epsom

I don't get people dissing RA, yeah they have better albums but there are some awesome tracks in there which are great live. Take your least fav PJ album and compare with most other bands' best album and its still miles better!

I forget which songs come from which album after listening to so many boots and they all sound great live, it is after all how music is intended to be heard!

Vedder_Girl77

The new album will rock!!!

P.S. I love both Riot Act and self-titled.

DewieCox

still alive in epsom wrote:

I don't get people dissing RA, yeah they have better albums but there are some awesome tracks in there which are great live. Take your least fav PJ album and compare with most other bands' best album and its still miles better!

I forget which songs come from which album after listening to so many boots and they all sound great live, it is after all how music is intended to be heard!

I dissed RA, but in my dis said that alot of the songs are great live.

RA ranks below just about every "favorite album" from other bands that I listen to with any regularity(once a month or so).

I like listening to live shows and all, but I prefer listening to albums, since there really is alot more to love. I almost always reach for an '03 boot when I want my fix, instead of RA.

AtlantaJammer

That's what worries me... short songs. Their best songs are long and epic and take time to deliver... Immortality, Present Tense, In Hiding, All or None, Inside Job, Corduroy, Alive, Even flow, Black, etc. Compare to the short punkish pieces of shit that have clogged the last 3 albums: Gods' Dice, Evacuation, Grievance, Comatose, Big Wave, Save You, Can't Keep, Ghost, Cropduster, Get Right, Help Help, Green Disease... a LOT of throwaway tracks there that nobody is missing from a set. What are the songs people get excited about hearing? The ones I listed before. Shorter songs is NOT a good sign.[/quote]


Save You is a piece of shit???!!! Grievance I happen to like as well, along wit Cant keep. To each his own of course but, WOW!! Save you is BA... Also, I dont really rock out to Even Flow like you may these days. Boring...

AtlantaJammer

Also, the new album will kick ass regaurdless cause its new material. Something we havent had in a while...

einatshaul

Let Stone and Jeff take over once more

I trust all those guys to be genuin and fresh as always.

redeye

otter wrote:

After reading Ed's interview in newsweek and then finding out that he's touring solo I got scared.

Is anyone else worried that with Ed in such a good mood the songs might be lame or will the work of Mike, Stone, Jeff and Matt be enough to overcome hearing Ed sing about how great he thinks Obama is? I voted for McCain just to piss off Eddie.

I am praying that I'm way off base here. There is nothing in this world that I look forward to more than a new Pearl Jam album. Nothing.

Somebody please put my mind at ease...

Peace

great opening thread lol

i agree lets hope the new album has some of the bite thet fueled go, not for you, leash, blood etc etc etc....

redeye

AtlantaJammer wrote:

That's what worries me... short songs. Their best songs are long and epic and take time to deliver... Immortality, Present Tense, In Hiding, All or None, Inside Job, Corduroy, Alive, Even flow, Black, etc. Compare to the short punkish pieces of shit that have clogged the last 3 albums: Gods' Dice, Evacuation, Grievance, Comatose, Big Wave, Save You, Can't Keep, Ghost, Cropduster, Get Right, Help Help, Green Disease... a LOT of throwaway tracks there that nobody is missing from a set. What are the songs people get excited about hearing? The ones I listed before. Shorter songs is NOT a good sign.

Save You is a piece of shit???!!! Grievance I happen to like as well, along wit Cant keep. To each his own of course but, WOW!! Save you is BA... Also, I dont really rock out to Even Flow like you may these days. Boring...[/quote]

yea these songs rock, i love the loose groove of cant keep,big wave is cool, and cropduster is awesome!!!!

and i love get right

am i the only one that digs riot act?? i love that album, admittedly bushleaguer and green disease are fillers, but i love the rawness of the album

analogueaddict72

I'll be happy with a balance, I like the odd short song, yes Inside Job showed an almost Floyd like sound to the band. I don't mind if they do epic songs or short ones, as long as they are good. When they say they are working on shorter songs, I'd be surprised if they make a whole album of them, it's just not their style. Brendan's return is the most promising news for me. His last album was Yield and that is alongside Vs their best album to date in my view.

I'm not sure how people can determine the mood of the band form Ed doing solo shows. Why will this make the album not important to them. The album could be in the finishing stages, the fact they are putting it out could mean it will just appear like The Raconteurs did with Consolers all of a sudden, the vinyl only for the first few weeks would be cool but unlikely.

The new album could be allot nearer than we think.

I'd like to see them recreate the same release pattern for Vitalogy re-release as they did with the original release, vinyl first then CD a few weeks later, nothing to lose there, it's a re-release so only fans are going to buy it.

I'm not dissing RA, in fact I'm going to give it a good listen and see if my view as changed of it. It's just it hasn't clicked with me yet, Binaural took until a few years ago for me to start to dig that, so who knows.

DewieCox

I keep seeing that Inside Job/Pink Floyd comparison. It doesn't sound anything like any Pink Floyd I've ever heard. Sure, it starts off kinda spacey, but I always thought it was very singer songwriter-y just just kinda builds. More Zep than Floyd, imo, but not much of either, aside from the general rock influence that they have on almost everybody.

However, I think there are some Floydian PJ moments. The whole vibe of Binaural is kinda spooky and the aural experiment is very much something Pink Floyd would try. Without Floyd, I doubt there would be some of the crazier PJ. Vitalogy and No Code would probably be a lot less interesting.

soulsinging

DewieCox wrote:

still alive in epsom wrote:

I don't get people dissing RA, yeah they have better albums but there are some awesome tracks in there which are great live. Take your least fav PJ album and compare with most other bands' best album and its still miles better!

I forget which songs come from which album after listening to so many boots and they all sound great live, it is after all how music is intended to be heard!

I dissed RA, but in my dis said that alot of the songs are great live.

RA ranks below just about every "favorite album" from other bands that I listen to with any regularity(once a month or so).

I like listening to live shows and all, but I prefer listening to albums, since there really is alot more to love. I almost always reach for an '03 boot when I want my fix, instead of RA.

Amen. I can think of about 200 albums I'd listen to before Riot Act... basically anything else I have on my cd rack really. If it weren't PJ and thus sentimental for me, I'd have sold Riot Act a long time ago to the used shop to get something else.

soulsinging

einatshaul wrote:

Let Stone and Jeff take over once more

I trust all those guys to be genuin and fresh as always.

Yes please!