America is the strongest,freest,most Generous country in the world....
FUCK YEAH!
:roll:
No it's hell fckin yeah. but seriously when another country needs our help we always step up. but its pretty obvious that 80% of the posters on AMT think America is a bad country.
It's not about "good" or "bad", it's about potential. For example, we are the richest nation in the world yet many of our own citizens live in poverty (hunger, poor education, poor medical system, etc). To cut to the underlaying notion of this arguement, we are the richest and most powerful nation in the world, and whether at home or abroad, what do we really have to show for it? Simply making a moral equivication arguement is pretty ass-backwards. It'd be comparable to say that Bill Gates does as much charity work (donations) percentage wise as the average joe does... yea maybe it's great they both help, but Bill Gates influence is vastly larger the average joe.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
America is the strongest,freest,most Generous country in the world....
FUCK YEAH!
:roll:
No it's hell fckin yeah. but seriously when another country needs our help we always step up. but its pretty obvious that 80% of the posters on AMT think America is a bad country.
No, you don't.
So because I mocked your extreme nationalism (remember the definition of fascism I posted the other day?)…I think America is a bad country? Good or bad, right or wrong, with us or against us, right? Typical defensive, divisive, partisan bullshit. I swear if some of you didn’t have a line in the sand to define yourselves by, you’d be lost….
Yes, your country does a lot of good, likely as much or more than any other country… I don’t pretend that my country (Canada) is better, or more pure, but I also don’t run around calling it the greatest, most free, etc etc...
Our country was indeed founded on Judeo-christian principles.Just look at our currency "IN God WE TRUST' The founding fathers were for the most part believing Christians and that the future strength and unique meaning of the country profoundly depend on how these principles impact on the way we presently govern and live. America is the strongest,freest,most Generous country in the world but our experience of freedom is a direct outgrowth of the Judeo-Christian religious structure.This religious dimension is foundational to our liberties Our Liberty is in peril if the Judeo-Christian consensus weakens.
Secular systems boggle and weave with high sounding phrases,but ultimately slip into ambiguity trying to find a lasting reason for universal respect and equality.
"In God We Trust" was NOT on our currency from day one....nor was "under God" in the pledge of allegiance from day one.....etc. all of this occurred in the 1950s. interesting eh?
our country is to be based on religious FREEDOM...and the SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
so yes, judeo-christian morals or whatever else.....no place in our governement. IF some of our laws follow similar standards, that may well simply be b/c we as a collective society deem them good standards, but in NO way should any one relgiiob hold sway over how laws are made in this country. this is just common sense. i believe many of the northern european countries are fairly secular, and yet as far as standards and morals...pretty high imo. caring for the good of your citizens, preserving their personal freedoms while providing care and safe-guards for their overall well-being...pretty damn fine standards to me.
you think w/o judeo-christian 'values'....that there can be NO values/standards/morals? seriously? religion didn't invent morals and values, if anything...i'd say religions grew out of specific morals, values and standards. for a country with a major tenet for religious freedom and seperation of church and state.....it still seems like a whole lotta people seemed to miss that memo.
as to obama....differing perspectives. i still see him as an agent of change. overall, i am impressed with almost all he has set in motion since taking office, and i think it bodes well for what else he may plan to accomplish, and thus for our country.
actually it first appeared on our currency in 1864 but was not passed into congress until 1956. Interesting eh?
VERY....b/c it shows our early government did NOT endorse 'in god we trust' on our currency from day - as i already stated - and then even when they did decide to go for it, congress didn't go for it, until the 1950s. it ALL makes sense. well, i can 'understand' why it passed in the 1950s, but in reality 'in god we trust' hasd no business on our currency, or anything to do with our government...but i digress. judeo-christian values involved or not, we are NOT entirely a judeo-christian country, not at all....and thus our laws/morals should not solely be based on judeo-christian values. besides which, even within judeo-christian communities....there are a LOT of difference. bottomline, religious influence of any kind has NO business in our government. so yea, thanks for further illustrating the point.
but seriously when another country needs our help we always step up. but its pretty obvious that 80% of the posters on AMT think America is a bad country.
have any specific example s of "help" in the last 50 years?
Our country was indeed founded on Judeo-christian principles.Just look at our currency "IN God WE TRUST' The founding fathers were for the most part believing Christians and that the future strength and unique meaning of the country profoundly depend on how these principles impact on the way we presently govern and live. America is the strongest,freest,most Generous country in the world but our experience of freedom is a direct outgrowth of the Judeo-Christian religious structure.This religious dimension is foundational to our liberties Our Liberty is in peril if the Judeo-Christian consensus weakens.
Secular systems boggle and weave with high sounding phrases,but ultimately slip into ambiguity trying to find a lasting reason for universal respect and equality.
I don't even know where to begin with the things that are wrong with this statement.
Standards that you want to set based on your interpretation of the Bible. Yes, I'm comparing 50 to LZ. Every major music genre that has been popular with youth has been decried by old farts like you as a sign of the decay of our moral values. It's nonsense. But please, tell me how banning research that could cure diabetes and alzheimer's is somehow going to fix our inner cities or the fact that we have vacuous tv programming?
ther you go again putting words in my mouth. I dont recall even mentioning the bible in my o.p do you even read my post or do you just assume thats what I said what If I was assume you were a dork just by looking at your facebook photo ? would that be fair to assume? Oh and Im only 34 hardly an old fart :roll: I just happen to think gangsta rap is harmful to kids. If adults want to listen to that shit I could fucking care less. Let me ask you this , Would you let your 13 year old listen to 50, Juvenile, Lil Wayne, M&M, or Snoop Dog ?
It didn't need to be. You oppose stem cell research because of your Christian values which are derived from the Bible. That's not rocket science.
If I had a 13 year old, I'd be rocking Snoop Dogg in my car with him, until he made me stop out of embarrassment.
We are the richest, most powerful nation in the world, not because of our belief system or any religious or moral standards, but instead by ignoring those ideas and letting self-interest and free market capitalism rule the roost (greed). If we do the things you say, we'd be promoting democracy, equality, justice, human rights, attacking poverty and medical problems - in the 20th and early 21st century we've done the opposite of all of these key ethical issues and opposed and squashed them.
Lastly, if you have a look at religious based governments, they're repressive to their citizens, certainly not anything a truly religious person would be following.
Our country was indeed founded on Judeo-christian principles.Just look at our currency "IN God WE TRUST' The founding fathers were for the most part believing Christians and that the future strength and unique meaning of the country profoundly depend on how these principles impact on the way we presently govern and live. America is the strongest,freest,most Generous country in the world but our experience of freedom is a direct outgrowth of the Judeo-Christian religious structure.This religious dimension is foundational to our liberties Our Liberty is in peril if the Judeo-Christian consensus weakens.
Secular systems boggle and weave with high sounding phrases,but ultimately slip into ambiguity trying to find a lasting reason for universal respect and equality.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Standards that you want to set based on your interpretation of the Bible. Yes, I'm comparing 50 to LZ. Every major music genre that has been popular with youth has been decried by old farts like you as a sign of the decay of our moral values. It's nonsense. But please, tell me how banning research that could cure diabetes and alzheimer's is somehow going to fix our inner cities or the fact that we have vacuous tv programming?
ther you go again putting words in my mouth. I dont recall even mentioning the bible in my o.p do you even read my post or do you just assume thats what I said what If I was assume you were a dork just by looking at your facebook photo ? would that be fair to assume? Oh and Im only 34 hardly an old fart :roll: I just happen to think gangsta rap is harmful to kids. If adults want to listen to that shit I could fucking care less. Let me ask you this , Would you let your 13 year old listen to 50, Juvenile, Lil Wayne, M&M, or Snoop Dog ?
It didn't need to be. You oppose stem cell research because of your Christian values which are derived from the Bible. That's not rocket science.
so what I can't have christian values. Does that offend you? It;s obvious you sure as hell don't have any I mean what kind of parent would let ther 13 year old listen to gangsta rap.
but seriously when another country needs our help we always step up. but its pretty obvious that 80% of the posters on AMT think America is a bad country.
have any specific example s of "help" in the last 50 years?
are you serious commy ? I mean really but ok here are just a few in 2004
1.Israel 2.62 billion in foreign aid
2.EGYPT 1.87 BILLION
3.COLUMBIA SOUTH AMERICA 570 MILLION
4.Jordan 560.million
but seriously when another country needs our help we always step up. but its pretty obvious that 80% of the posters on AMT think America is a bad country.
have any specific example s of "help" in the last 50 years?
are you serious commy ? I mean really but ok here are just a few in 2004
1.Israel 2.62 billion in foreign aid
2.EGYPT 1.87 BILLION
3.COLUMBIA SOUTH AMERICA 570 MILLION
4.Jordan 560.million
do you want me to keep going ?
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Our country was indeed founded on Judeo-christian principles.Just look at our currency "IN God WE TRUST' The founding fathers were for the most part believing Christians and that the future strength and unique meaning of the country profoundly depend on how these principles impact on the way we presently govern and live. America is the strongest,freest,most Generous country in the world but our experience of freedom is a direct outgrowth of the Judeo-Christian religious structure.This religious dimension is foundational to our liberties Our Liberty is in peril if the Judeo-Christian consensus weakens.
Secular systems boggle and weave with high sounding phrases,but ultimately slip into ambiguity trying to find a lasting reason for universal respect and equality.
I don't even know where to begin with the things that are wrong with this statement.
well where am going I wrong ? Let me ask you this then since your obviously a secular progressive why does everyone who is sworn into office weather it be a town councilman or the president of the united states put there hand on the bible when they are sworn into office ?
Ritual and practice, but that doesn't mean we're a nation based off of the bible or something similar. Swearing on the bibles is supposed to be a representation of telling the truth to some divine being, but it doesn't actually mean its true. People in government swear on the bible to uphold the constitution and break that vow all the time or people swear on the bible in court, yet lie- so what meaning does it really hold?
Our country was indeed founded on Judeo-christian principles.Just look at our currency "IN God WE TRUST' The founding fathers were for the most part believing Christians and that the future strength and unique meaning of the country profoundly depend on how these principles impact on the way we presently govern and live. America is the strongest,freest,most Generous country in the world but our experience of freedom is a direct outgrowth of the Judeo-Christian religious structure.This religious dimension is foundational to our liberties Our Liberty is in peril if the Judeo-Christian consensus weakens.
Secular systems boggle and weave with high sounding phrases,but ultimately slip into ambiguity trying to find a lasting reason for universal respect and equality.
I don't even know where to begin with the things that are wrong with this statement.
well where am going I wrong ? Let me ask you this then since your obviously a secular progressive why does everyone who is sworn into office weather it be a town councilman or the president of the united states put there hand on the bible when they are sworn into office ?
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Closing Gitmo.... and sending all those detainees to one of the other detention camps we have scattered all over the globe. You guys act as if he's sending them all home. Life's not getting any better for these guys anytime soon. It's purely a PR move or else he'd be talking about closing all of those other torture filled prisons, as well.
Gitmo is too talked about for him to keep it open and still appear to be not completely full of shit.
Our country was indeed founded on Judeo-christian principles.Just look at our currency "IN God WE TRUST' The founding fathers were for the most part believing Christians and that the future strength and unique meaning of the country profoundly depend on how these principles impact on the way we presently govern and live. America is the strongest,freest,most Generous country in the world but our experience of freedom is a direct outgrowth of the Judeo-Christian religious structure.This religious dimension is foundational to our liberties Our Liberty is in peril if the Judeo-Christian consensus weakens.
Secular systems boggle and weave with high sounding phrases,but ultimately slip into ambiguity trying to find a lasting reason for universal respect and equality.
I don't even know where to begin with the things that are wrong with this statement.
well where am going I wrong ? Let me ask you this then since your obviously a secular progressive why does everyone who is sworn into office weather it be a town councilman or the president of the united states put there hand on the bible when they are sworn into office ?
In fact, they don't do it in most courts anymore either. I believe one Congressman used the Constitution instead of a Bible as well.
As to our "Christian heritage," it's a myth. I spent an entire semester studying the history of Christianity in US politics. Church attendance around the time of the founders was ridiculously low. Nobody went. Many of the founders were very outspoken secular humanists, and the others just didn't want to deal with the church of England, but didn't give a flying fuck about making sure this country embodied "Christian values."
As to our strength and freedom, it doesn't have a godamn thing to do with us loving Jesus. We're strong because we've got the biggest military in the world by leaps and bounds and we fuck anyone up that even breathes on us wrong. We're rich because we live in a stretch of land that has abundant natural resources with relatively low population density, which made us able to supply the world with goods during a few wars on the other side of the globe... while they all shot each other to shit, we got rich supplying them from the safety of a different continent. We also keep our edge by ensuring that latin and south America stay far too poor and unstable to ever be an economic or military competitor. We're insulated. Jesus and religious values have nothing to do with it.
As to our liberties, they're no better or worse than most western countries. And it is quite often the religious people that attempt to strip those liberties away in the name of protecting our morals.
In his first week in office, President Obama banned coercive interrogation and ordered the closing of the agency’s detention program, though the agency can still hold prisoners for short periods.
even when the man does something *right*....and i think he's done more than just one thing.....it's deemed as a PR move, or to plcate the masses but doesn't hold much substance, anyone would be better than bush, etc, etc. i do not blindly support anyone, and i will certainly question or fault whomever when i deem they do wrong....but i also give credit when it's due, and i acknowledge when things are being done, moves being made in the right direction.
Um, whoever thought he was an agent of change? Also, sometimes you have to work with the system to work against it. If you want him to be another Martin Luther, good luck with that. He'd end up as green party or "anti-government" or whatever other crap that doesn't do anything useful. He was able to gain power by working in the system. Now he can do whatever he wants. Chances are he'll do 90% of what all the other presidents do.
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Our country was indeed founded on Judeo-christian principles.Just look at our currency "IN God WE TRUST' The founding fathers were for the most part believing Christians and that the future strength and unique meaning of the country profoundly depend on how these principles impact on the way we presently govern and live. America is the strongest,freest,most Generous country in the world but our experience of freedom is a direct outgrowth of the Judeo-Christian religious structure.This religious dimension is foundational to our liberties Our Liberty is in peril if the Judeo-Christian consensus weakens.
Secular systems boggle and weave with high sounding phrases,but ultimately slip into ambiguity trying to find a lasting reason for universal respect and equality.
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Question: WHEN did the words 'IN GOD WE TRUST" first appear on our currancy?
Answer: 1861. During the Civil War. I'm pretty sure our Founding Fathers were pretty much dead by that time.
Question: When "Under God" appear in the Pledge Of Alligence?
Answer: Here is the Pledge Of Alligence in its original form... “I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands: one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all.”
The phrase, "Under God" does not appear until 1954. I am certain they were all dead by that time.
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The Founding Fathers left England BECAUSE of the Power Of The Church. They wanted a country where they were able to choose a religion of their own, instead of being told which religion to follow.
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Finally.. I always wonder why people bring up the "In God We Trust' thing on the money. To me... personally... associating God with money (ie. Wealth) is... well... kinda creepy. To me, I think... ironically, that it CHEAPENS the Name of God. Especially to someone like me... who deeply respects the teaching of Jesus Christ. I do not recall Jesus being about monetary wealth and riches... maybe He's different in your Bible. I don't know... maybe it's just me.
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Our country was indeed founded on Judeo-christian principles.Just look at our currency "IN God WE TRUST' The founding fathers were for the most part believing Christians and that the future strength and unique meaning of the country profoundly depend on how these principles impact on the way we presently govern and live. America is the strongest,freest,most Generous country in the world but our experience of freedom is a direct outgrowth of the Judeo-Christian religious structure.This religious dimension is foundational to our liberties Our Liberty is in peril if the Judeo-Christian consensus weakens.
Secular systems boggle and weave with high sounding phrases,but ultimately slip into ambiguity trying to find a lasting reason for universal respect and equality.
...
Question: WHEN did the words 'IN GOD WE TRUST" first appear on our currancy?
Answer: 1861. During the Civil War. I'm pretty sure our Founding Fathers were pretty much dead by that time.
Question: When "Under God" appear in the Pledge Of Alligence?
Answer: Here is the Pledge Of Alligence in its original form... “I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands: one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all.”
The phrase, "Under God" does not appear until 1954. I am certain they were all dead by that time.
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The Founding Fathers left England BECAUSE of the Power Of The Church. They wanted a country where they were able to choose a religion of their own, instead of being told which religion to follow.
...
Finally.. I always wonder why people bring up the "In God We Trust' thing on the money. To me... personally... associating God with money (ie. Wealth) is... well... kinda creepy. To me, I think... ironically, that it CHEAPENS the Name of God. Especially to someone like me... who deeply respects the teaching of Jesus Christ. I do not recall Jesus being about monetary wealth and riches... maybe He's different in your Bible. I don't know... maybe it's just me.
I seem to remember something about him going to a temple and casting out all the people profiting on the word of god.
Our country was indeed founded on Judeo-christian principles.Just look at our currency "IN God WE TRUST' The founding fathers were for the most part believing Christians and that the future strength and unique meaning of the country profoundly depend on how these principles impact on the way we presently govern and live. America is the strongest,freest,most Generous country in the world but our experience of freedom is a direct outgrowth of the Judeo-Christian religious structure.This religious dimension is foundational to our liberties Our Liberty is in peril if the Judeo-Christian consensus weakens.
Secular systems boggle and weave with high sounding phrases,but ultimately slip into ambiguity trying to find a lasting reason for universal respect and equality.
...
Question: WHEN did the words 'IN GOD WE TRUST" first appear on our currancy?
Answer: 1861. During the Civil War. I'm pretty sure our Founding Fathers were pretty much dead by that time.
Question: When "Under God" appear in the Pledge Of Alligence?
Answer: Here is the Pledge Of Alligence in its original form... “I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands: one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all.”
The phrase, "Under God" does not appear until 1954. I am certain they were all dead by that time.
...
The Founding Fathers left England BECAUSE of the Power Of The Church. They wanted a country where they were able to choose a religion of their own, instead of being told which religion to follow.
...
Finally.. I always wonder why people bring up the "In God We Trust' thing on the money. To me... personally... associating God with money (ie. Wealth) is... well... kinda creepy. To me, I think... ironically, that it CHEAPENS the Name of God. Especially to someone like me... who deeply respects the teaching of Jesus Christ. I do not recall Jesus being about monetary wealth and riches... maybe He's different in your Bible. I don't know... maybe it's just me.
I seem to remember something about him going to a temple and casting out all the people profiting on the word of god.
Then there was that quote about "render unto caesar that which is his." But what the hell do I know?
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No it's hell fckin yeah. but seriously when another country needs our help we always step up. but its pretty obvious that 80% of the posters on AMT think America is a bad country.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
No, you don't.
So because I mocked your extreme nationalism (remember the definition of fascism I posted the other day?)…I think America is a bad country? Good or bad, right or wrong, with us or against us, right? Typical defensive, divisive, partisan bullshit. I swear if some of you didn’t have a line in the sand to define yourselves by, you’d be lost….
Yes, your country does a lot of good, likely as much or more than any other country… I don’t pretend that my country (Canada) is better, or more pure, but I also don’t run around calling it the greatest, most free, etc etc...
VERY....b/c it shows our early government did NOT endorse 'in god we trust' on our currency from day - as i already stated - and then even when they did decide to go for it, congress didn't go for it, until the 1950s. it ALL makes sense. well, i can 'understand' why it passed in the 1950s, but in reality 'in god we trust' hasd no business on our currency, or anything to do with our government...but i digress. judeo-christian values involved or not, we are NOT entirely a judeo-christian country, not at all....and thus our laws/morals should not solely be based on judeo-christian values. besides which, even within judeo-christian communities....there are a LOT of difference. bottomline, religious influence of any kind has NO business in our government. so yea, thanks for further illustrating the point.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
have any specific example s of "help" in the last 50 years?
I don't even know where to begin with the things that are wrong with this statement.
It didn't need to be. You oppose stem cell research because of your Christian values which are derived from the Bible. That's not rocket science.
If I had a 13 year old, I'd be rocking Snoop Dogg in my car with him, until he made me stop out of embarrassment.
Lastly, if you have a look at religious based governments, they're repressive to their citizens, certainly not anything a truly religious person would be following.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
It didn't need to be. You oppose stem cell research because of your Christian values which are derived from the Bible. That's not rocket science.
so what I can't have christian values. Does that offend you? It;s obvious you sure as hell don't have any I mean what kind of parent would let ther 13 year old listen to gangsta rap.
1.Israel 2.62 billion in foreign aid
2.EGYPT 1.87 BILLION
3.COLUMBIA SOUTH AMERICA 570 MILLION
4.Jordan 560.million
do you want me to keep going ?
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
well where am going I wrong ? Let me ask you this then since your obviously a secular progressive why does everyone who is sworn into office weather it be a town councilman or the president of the united states put there hand on the bible when they are sworn into office ?
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/10/world ... in.html?hp
could be more than a pr move.
They don't:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,233983,00.html
In fact, they don't do it in most courts anymore either. I believe one Congressman used the Constitution instead of a Bible as well.
As to our "Christian heritage," it's a myth. I spent an entire semester studying the history of Christianity in US politics. Church attendance around the time of the founders was ridiculously low. Nobody went. Many of the founders were very outspoken secular humanists, and the others just didn't want to deal with the church of England, but didn't give a flying fuck about making sure this country embodied "Christian values."
As to our strength and freedom, it doesn't have a godamn thing to do with us loving Jesus. We're strong because we've got the biggest military in the world by leaps and bounds and we fuck anyone up that even breathes on us wrong. We're rich because we live in a stretch of land that has abundant natural resources with relatively low population density, which made us able to supply the world with goods during a few wars on the other side of the globe... while they all shot each other to shit, we got rich supplying them from the safety of a different continent. We also keep our edge by ensuring that latin and south America stay far too poor and unstable to ever be an economic or military competitor. We're insulated. Jesus and religious values have nothing to do with it.
As to our liberties, they're no better or worse than most western countries. And it is quite often the religious people that attempt to strip those liberties away in the name of protecting our morals.
indeed.
In his first week in office, President Obama banned coercive interrogation and ordered the closing of the agency’s detention program, though the agency can still hold prisoners for short periods.
even when the man does something *right*....and i think he's done more than just one thing.....it's deemed as a PR move, or to plcate the masses but doesn't hold much substance, anyone would be better than bush, etc, etc. i do not blindly support anyone, and i will certainly question or fault whomever when i deem they do wrong....but i also give credit when it's due, and i acknowledge when things are being done, moves being made in the right direction.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Question: WHEN did the words 'IN GOD WE TRUST" first appear on our currancy?
Answer: 1861. During the Civil War. I'm pretty sure our Founding Fathers were pretty much dead by that time.
Question: When "Under God" appear in the Pledge Of Alligence?
Answer: Here is the Pledge Of Alligence in its original form... “I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands: one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all.”
The phrase, "Under God" does not appear until 1954. I am certain they were all dead by that time.
...
The Founding Fathers left England BECAUSE of the Power Of The Church. They wanted a country where they were able to choose a religion of their own, instead of being told which religion to follow.
...
Finally.. I always wonder why people bring up the "In God We Trust' thing on the money. To me... personally... associating God with money (ie. Wealth) is... well... kinda creepy. To me, I think... ironically, that it CHEAPENS the Name of God. Especially to someone like me... who deeply respects the teaching of Jesus Christ. I do not recall Jesus being about monetary wealth and riches... maybe He's different in your Bible. I don't know... maybe it's just me.
Hail, Hail!!!
I seem to remember something about him going to a temple and casting out all the people profiting on the word of god.
Then there was that quote about "render unto caesar that which is his." But what the hell do I know?