Handicapped Fanclub seats?

cayenne

Last year I ruptured my achilles tendon. By the time the concerts came around I was in a cast up to my knee. I emailed the 10c five weeks in advance and asked if they can relocate my tickets to the handicapped seating. They replied and said they will do their best to switch tickets if possible.

When I picked up my 10c tickets for Hartford and Mansfield, I was surprised and grateful to find both shows were in the handicapped seating. So in my case, the 10c came through on both shows. Just ask and see what happens.

A satellite forever orbiting

cayenne wrote:

Last year I ruptured my achilles tendon. By the time the concerts came around I was in a cast up to my knee. I emailed the 10c five weeks in advance and asked if they can relocate my tickets to the handicapped seating. They replied and said they will do their best to switch tickets if possible.

When I picked up my 10c tickets for Hartford and Mansfield, I was surprised and grateful to find both shows were in the handicapped seating. So in my case, the 10c came through on both shows. Just ask and see what happens.

nice for you--they wouldn't/couldn't take care of me like that, but they've never liked me.

vedderfreak12

Sharon_Hearts_PJ wrote:

vedderfreak12 wrote:

After looking at the profile you have here

Sorry to hijack, but how were you able to do that? I can't seem to be able to find/view friends or profiles.

Not all message board members have it, but look below their username. The guy I was responding to has a "3W" next to the "PM" for Private Message. What does 3W mean?.... your guess is as good as mine.

blondieblue227

You’re welcome vedderfreak. Glad to help. Any excuse to talk about disability advocacy and I’m all over it!

That amphitheater has sad disabled seating. The floor isn’t elevated enough in the disabled seating area, so you can’t see what’s going on onstage.
I won the 10c lottery that year. See siggy hehehe. So I was front row. No big heads to block my view!

Speaking of my siggy, I put my profile url there so that’s how vedderfreak saw. Every member has one, thou I think 10c is working on them now so you can’t edit them. Hope they fix it soon!

Ahhh! Bionicamy, you too know what it’s like!
Yeah people don’t kid yourselves there’s tons of ‘fakers’ out there.
They’re all going to hell! Hehehehe. Or their first born will be disabled. I’m a firm believer of Karma.
I mean if there were no ‘fakers’ it would be easy for me to buy disabled seating online. That right there tells you people have abused it.
If you have a temporary injury or whatever, I’m ok with you sitting in disabled seating. But sometimes there’s really no way to tell if somebody’s faking or not.

zadars

Last year at MSG my handicapped 10C seats were on THE TOP FLOOR OF THE GARDEN. When I got up there, the building was shaking and the music had not even started yet! My fear of heights kicked in, and I started getting dizzy, and could not sit up there! My 10C number starts in the 212's so I have been a member for a while. I had to ask the Venue people at MSG if they could find me another spot to see the show. They took me down to the fourth floor and I sat in my wheelchair and my friend sat in a folding chair near the exit/entrance to the seating sections. It was better than what the 10c gave me,,,,,but the band still looked like ANTS from up there.
I often try to just get a regular seating issued, and take my cane or walker with me because 10c members are usually SO COOL WITH EACH OTHER AT SHOWS,,,,,,,,but that plan fell to the wayside in Hartford when the 10c ticket cluster f**k took place. Just being disabled in itself is very difficult,,,,,,but being a live music lover, makes life very difficult,,,,,,,,from a wheelchair most of us spend the show looking at Asses and Elbows! There is no real good way to see a show from a disabled person's view.
The worst part about all of it (the MSG tickets and the Hartford show,,,,,,,,was even after many, many emails and actual LETTERS to the 10C, no apologies, no reasons, no refund, no NOTHING, not even a years membership offered! NOTHING,,,,,,,,,,,now that felt more of a slap in the face than the seating and ticket mess up, from the folks at the 10C.
Point being point here, if you're a disabled person you pretty much have to just deal with whatever you get, because they are not taking your condition into consideration. We always just try and say "hey, at least we are here,,,,,,(even if Pearl Jam looks like a Flea Circus from where we sit)"

blondieblue227

zadars wrote:

from a wheelchair most of us spend the show looking at Asses and Elbows! There is no real good way to see a show from a disabled person's view.

i've often thought if i was a man i'd most likly be an ass man with all i'm seeing aready.
there's an inside venue near me i love. wheelchairs sit on the second floor looking down at stage. i freakin love that venue!

Point being point here, if you're a disabled person you pretty much have to just deal with whatever you get, because they are not taking your condition into consideration. We always just try and say "hey, at least we are here,,,,,,(even if Pearl Jam looks like a Flea Circus from where we sit)"

i get what you're saying i really do, but i just wanta say lotsa times when i speak out or raise hell it does make a difference. so please don't stop trying.

Heartdog

I'm just reading this thread. I guess I should have read the small print, cuz I somehow missed that when joining 10c you were required to purchase two tickets. I joined hoping to bypass Ticketmaster in getting accessible seats. Can't stand TM. They've screwed me over so many times. But I'm on a limited income, too, so getting two tickets at the price they are is hard. I normally go to shows by myself.

So couldn't get them through the club, and when trying the normal way, the handicapped seats that aren't in nosebleed country are gone before you can even try. TM notoriously sells these seats to able bodied people. Happened at Eddie's solo tour. I got my ticket at the box office, and had lost it upon going in. No biggie, I was sat in the wheelchair section. But then some folks showed up-able bodied that is- with print outs from TM with wheelchair seats. I got thrown out of the venue, and they got sat in fold up chairs in that section! I cried!

Eddie's lovely tour manager and the man himself saved the day, but that's another story : )
I've never seen Pearl Jam, yet. I hope I can get a ticket to one of the SoCal shows, still. But what would really be awesome is to be able to be up close. Just once. I don't care about safety LOL. I want the experience! (And not to have to look at other people's asses the whole show...)

blondieblue227

^ i remember your story! were you the one that ended you meeting ed?

hey i'm disabled and have sat front row. it's do-able.

Heartdog

Yep, got to meet Ed : ) Unbelievably nice, and concerned that I was taken care of.
Wow, front row. I don't even have tickets, yet. I'd better get on the ball and get something somehow. Dreaming of seeing a show from the pit. Is that where you were?

IamMine

bionicamy wrote:

I have needed assistance and also hate the process that you must go through to purchase accessible seating.
More often than not if you try to go through the proper steps the show will be sold out before you ever get a chance to purchase the tickets. Best bet is to purchase the tickets and then deal with the venue.
(Air Canada Center is THE BEST venue to deal with the nicest staff ever!)
Live Nation does an amazing job to insure your seats are correct before you ever get to the venue. Ticketmaster not so good.
10c has been wonderful in the past but I will always provide the medical cards I carry whenever I am requesting seats at any venue.
Most venues the accessible seating is not very good at all especially when everyone else is standing and you are sitting. But I’m not in accessible for the view, I’m there because it’s the safest place for me to be at the venue.
Lollaplooza was very disheartening when the accessible area became filled with pregnant couples and unfortunately a couple of guys in fake leg braces. It was so full that the staff required only the person with the disability or pregnant could remain. There were people in wheelchairs that could not even make it onto the platform. (the staff did the best they could in a bad situation) Don’t get me wrong I would never want to see harm come to anyone but people do take advantage and it only makes it harder for those who need.

OMG... I know. C3 didn't do a good job either managing those people.... I worked hard on that for 2008, kicking people out of my designated area.

I feel for the people need access to ADA seats (I hate the word "Handicapped")... I have seen it abused so badly, that it really pisses me off that the venue or place is not doing its job to ensure that a person really needs it.

But on the flip side, it wouldn't be fair to ask that person to go to extremes proving that while the "so-called regular" people don't have to when they purchase for regular tickets... but unfortunately to protect ourselves, we should consider going extra so it does not happen to other people who really need them. I do that anyway.

I did that for Lolla 08, but I don't know if it got any better for Lolla 09....I'd be pissed if it didn't because of all my hard work "poof" just for one year - 2008. That wasn't my goal - but to keep it going from there.

ADA was designed for people like blondie and me so we didn't have to "hassle" (I quote because like she said, it's still a hassle) but more really for equal access. It takes me months (if permitted) to prepare the venue and an agency, and all that. A month isn't enough, unfortunately - unless they were the same people all the time.

I'm sorry it didn't work out with 10c....but they can only have what they are given from the venue and by that, it's allocated based on seniority.

ADA seats go out very fast, it's not funny. People think of whatever medical issue they have and use that... sigh.

IamMine

Question for blondie - you aree a regular consumer of ADA, as I am.

I understand with people having medical issues needing ADA seats - I have no problem with that. My mom is one of them - she has Lupus disease where it weakens her bones and she gets tired from standing long and has a ticket to park in the handicapped parking.

I'm talking about folks who have had recent surgeries, such as knee replacement..... suppose that 10c member or his/her extra ticket is the one needing that seating requesting ADA seating.

Would you be upset if that person who only needed it for a short period of time got in front of you or took them - the seats primarily designed for you.

I would. We fought so hard for those laws....and it's so sad to see it abused so badly or it being not enforced elsewhere.

It's funny to see someone like mensane complaining.... that's nothing compared to our everyday frustrations and denied access.

Sorry, mensane.... but.

EDIT: Sorry, I thought mensane was the OP... but as someone said, ask 10c.

IamMine

mca47 wrote:

mensane wrote:

my most recent pearl jam show was ruined because of the tenclub's inability to help me with this very issue.

prior to purchasing tickets to a show last summer, i called the local number to speak with someone at the ten club. i explained my situation: after many years, i was taking my dad to his first pearl jam show so he could see what all the fuss was about. (he has been very patient with my "obsession"). he had had knee replacement surgery recently and was unable to stand for long periods of time. i knew my 10c number was such that i would end up on the floor but many rows back. i asked if there was anything they could do to get me a pair of tickets that would allow him to see from a seated position, or if i should just deal directly with ticketmaster/venue. they said they would take care of me.

i got to the venue and picked up my tickets. on the envelope was the word "aisle". nothing else, just aisle. well, we ended up about 18 rows back with seats on the OUTSIDE aisle. he couldnt see anything when seated. i was furious. they could have bumped me back to the seats of people with a higher number than me and put us at the front of one of the side sections. but they didnt.

i would contact the venue to get actual disability seating.

Nothing against the 10c, but they probably get dozens of these calls per show and hundreds over the span of a tour. They probably did do their best to do what was right, but they probably didn't know the venue that well...

Anyways, like I said before...contacting the venue is going to be the best bet.

You've got that exactly right! If there are problems with the ADA seating, take it up with the venue who designed those, not 10c. They were designed so that they could see within the "line of sight" law for wheelchair folks.

It would be nice to have someone like blondie on board for the ADA section under 10c because you have to live that life and experienced enough to know what works and what doesn't work.

10c can only do so much. But they do their damnest best though.

From my experience, most folks at the venues have NO idea what I really need to have equal opportunity/access and just assume shit. Fuck, I wish I was in a wheelchair instead (no offense, blondie) because compared to my situation, wheelchair access is out there more and people are more familiar with that.... because in my situation, someone else talks for me and I don't like that. They make the decisions representing me....that fucking sucks, like they know more than I do? But what can I do? I can only do my best working with people at the venue ahead of time and during - even when I purchase the tickets through 10c.

10c has nothing to do with my situation, just giving me the ADA seats (if they are available) and then I work with the venue and the agency.

urbanhippie

We have always purchased GA wheelchair/disabled tickets for concerts direct from the venue. That way you're guaranteed a suitable seat and it's not usually too tricky to get hold of them.

Some venues in the UK sometimes allow a 'wheelchair helper' a free ticket although that's rare.

Wheelchair areas are usually in a good spot, so you'd not be losing much on seniority seats either.

blondieblue227

Heartdog – I knew that was you! The pit….lol! that makes me laugh because PJ shows aren’t what they used to be. I wouldn’t even refer to that area as the pit anymore. but yea I guess that’s where I was at in 08. right there in front of the stage in row one. I’m sure it’s a lot safer now for people with disabilities then in the times of mosh pits!

IamMine – That’s a hard question. Those people are disabled even thou they are for a temporary time.
What I don’t like to see is obese people abusing our rights. But who am I to judge? That’s what I remind myself. But then again, I have to live with this crippled body everyday too, do those ‘temporaries’ think of that?

But I can see the enlightening moment in, ‘oh you think you have it hard, look at me.’ I teaches people compassion, but you know what? Life is hard. Period. For everybody. Life is hard.
So while I’m not one for being all my life is harder than yours, I am one for showing a little courtesy and respect.

‘you have to live that life’
I get your point but the older I get the more I think common sense and compassion can go a long way to make barriers disappear for people with disabilities. The disabled have been around since mankind. Understanding my disability is only going to get me so far. I don’t care if you know about my disability and it’s troubles. Give me access, respect and compassion.

IamMine

blondieblue227 wrote:

Heartdog – I knew that was you! The pit….lol! that makes me laugh because PJ shows aren’t what they used to be. I wouldn’t even refer to that area as the pit anymore. but yea I guess that’s where I was at in 08. right there in front of the stage in row one. I’m sure it’s a lot safer now for people with disabilities then in the times of mosh pits!

IamMine – That’s a hard question. Those people are disabled even thou they are for a temporary time.
What I don’t like to see is obese people abusing our rights. But who am I to judge? That’s what I remind myself. But then again, I have to live with this crippled body everyday too, do those ‘temporaries’ think of that?

But I can see the enlightening moment in, ‘oh you think you have it hard, look at me.’ I teaches people compassion, but you know what? Life is hard. Period. For everybody. Life is hard.
So while I’m not one for being all my life is harder than yours, I am one for showing a little courtesy and respect.

‘you have to live that life’
I get your point but the older I get the more I think common sense and compassion can go a long way to make barriers disappear for people with disabilities. The disabled have been around since mankind. Understanding my disability is only going to get me so far. I don’t care if you know about my disability and it’s troubles. Give me access, respect and compassion.

You said ti well.

If it were done like that, then it wouldn't be even an issue or even having to mention that term at all. :P

Thanks.

blondieblue227

Well I think everybody should be treated with respect and compassion rather if you have a disability or not. But that’s not how the world runs sadly. And like you said, if it did this thread may not exist.

JOEJOEJOE

IamMine wrote:

bionicamy wrote:

I have needed assistance and also hate the process that you must go through to purchase accessible seating.
More often than not if you try to go through the proper steps the show will be sold out before you ever get a chance to purchase the tickets. Best bet is to purchase the tickets and then deal with the venue.
(Air Canada Center is THE BEST venue to deal with the nicest staff ever!)
Live Nation does an amazing job to insure your seats are correct before you ever get to the venue. Ticketmaster not so good.
10c has been wonderful in the past but I will always provide the medical cards I carry whenever I am requesting seats at any venue.
Most venues the accessible seating is not very good at all especially when everyone else is standing and you are sitting. But I’m not in accessible for the view, I’m there because it’s the safest place for me to be at the venue.
Lollaplooza was very disheartening when the accessible area became filled with pregnant couples and unfortunately a couple of guys in fake leg braces. It was so full that the staff required only the person with the disability or pregnant could remain. There were people in wheelchairs that could not even make it onto the platform. (the staff did the best they could in a bad situation) Don’t get me wrong I would never want to see harm come to anyone but people do take advantage and it only makes it harder for those who need.

OMG... I know. C3 didn't do a good job either managing those people.... I worked hard on that for 2008, kicking people out of my designated area.

I feel for the people need access to ADA seats (I hate the word "Handicapped")... I have seen it abused so badly, that it really pisses me off that the venue or place is not doing its job to ensure that a person really needs it.

But on the flip side, it wouldn't be fair to ask that person to go to extremes proving that while the "so-called regular" people don't have to when they purchase for regular tickets... but unfortunately to protect ourselves, we should consider going extra so it does not happen to other people who really need them. I do that anyway.

I did that for Lolla 08, but I don't know if it got any better for Lolla 09....I'd be pissed if it didn't because of all my hard work "poof" just for one year - 2008. That wasn't my goal - but to keep it going from there.

ADA was designed for people like blondie and me so we didn't have to "hassle" (I quote because like she said, it's still a hassle) but more really for equal access. It takes me months (if permitted) to prepare the venue and an agency, and all that. A month isn't enough, unfortunately - unless they were the same people all the time.

I'm sorry it didn't work out with 10c....but they can only have what they are given from the venue and by that, it's allocated based on seniority.

ADA seats go out very fast, it's not funny. People think of whatever medical issue they have and use that... sigh.

Pardon me for my ignorance, but besides being given an area that can accomodate a signer, what other needs is there for a deaf person at a concert?

blondieblue227

i know deaf people who love music. they feel beats and vibration.

redrock

urbanhippie wrote:

Some venues in the UK sometimes allow a 'wheelchair helper' a free ticket although that's rare. .

In London, it's most venues. Not just wheelchair, but any disabled person (who can prove they receive a disability allowance). Got tix for SB that way. Just booked AIC - the venue allows the 'helper/carer' in free as well. Generally venues will also 'reserve' a lil' stack of tickets for disabled so no panic when they go on general sale.

As someone said, 10C deal with what the venue gives them. For SB, I had to go directly to the venue for tickets.

blondieblue227

same in the US
a campanion seat.

and if you go with your family....like 4 people they’re ‘supposed’ to accommodate you, so you can all sit together.

'(who can prove they receive a disability allowance)'
i like that proving thing. wish they did that in the US. but with that 'temporaries' wouldn't be able to use ADA seats.

Yes is a teaching thread. I like it.