Tiger Woods...............

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  • pjsteelerfan
    pjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,905
    Lets mover the politcal deiscussion to the right forum..
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    Anyway, I don't follow golf much, but Boo Weekley is the best thing I have seen happen to golf, It wold be the best for him to win the masters next week.
    ...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    RW81233 wrote:
    Moreover, while the people of America are being sold out by these companies, they convince us that we are 'being american' by watching the sport - how ridiculous...no? You see sports are political, they are a tool to get us to follow what those is power want us to do in America.

    People like you never cease to amaze and amuse me.

    MAAAAYBE these companies just have their hand in sports because they know that people like sports (as they have throughout all of human history... sports werent just invented by companies in the last 100 years for profit and docile masses ya know) and that it's a good way to turn a profit. You think Nike pays Tiger Woods millions because Nike somehow thinks by doing so nobody will ever vote or attempt to... what? Start a revolution? That's the dumbest fucking thing I ever heard. Nike pays Tiger because Tiger has a lot of fans and they can sell more merch that way. Not EVERYTHING is some evil conspiracy to suppress the proletariat you know. Jesus, some perspective please people!
  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    soulsinging wrote:
    RW81233 wrote:
    Moreover, while the people of America are being sold out by these companies, they convince us that we are 'being american' by watching the sport - how ridiculous...no? You see sports are political, they are a tool to get us to follow what those is power want us to do in America.

    People like you never cease to amaze and amuse me.

    MAAAAYBE these companies just have their hand in sports because they know that people like sports (as they have throughout all of human history... sports werent just invented by companies in the last 100 years for profit and docile masses ya know) and that it's a good way to turn a profit. You think Nike pays Tiger Woods millions because Nike somehow thinks by doing so nobody will ever vote or attempt to... what? Start a revolution? That's the dumbest fucking thing I ever heard. Nike pays Tiger because Tiger has a lot of fans and they can sell more merch that way. Not EVERYTHING is some evil conspiracy to suppress the proletariat you know. Jesus, some perspective please people!
    I don't think NIKE cares about whether or not people vote, they care about dollars, that's our form of politics now. We have no care about social issues, it's all about making more money. This isn't some evil conspiracy (it works out as one), but rather just the way that corporations have been able to garner support from both the right and left. Look at the way Tiger's celebrity has shifted from the minority fighting back to someone anyone can get behind, because the former pissed off the biggest purchaser of Nike equipment rich white racists who don't like to be called out for what they are. So now Tiger's interest in social politics is subverted in the name of dollars. Again this isn't some evil conspiracy, it's just how things work right now and it is stupid.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    RW81233 wrote:
    I don't think NIKE cares about whether or not people vote, they care about dollars, that's our form of politics now. We have no care about social issues, it's all about making more money. This isn't some evil conspiracy (it works out as one), but rather just the way that corporations have been able to garner support from both the right and left. Look at the way Tiger's celebrity has shifted from the minority fighting back to someone anyone can get behind, because the former pissed off the biggest purchaser of Nike equipment rich white racists who don't like to be called out for what they are. So now Tiger's interest in social politics is subverted in the name of dollars. Again this isn't some evil conspiracy, it's just how things work right now and it is stupid.

    When was Tiger's celebrity ever about that? I don't recall him ever having any sort of open and vocal social political agenda. Those are labels YOU put on him. You want to exploit him as bad as Nike does... Nike to sell product, you to use him as a pawn and figurehead in pushing your political agenda.
  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    I understand why you might think that I want to exploit Tiger Woods for some political agenda from my posts, but it has more to do with the idea that I'd just like to hear what he thinks whether I like it or not. Anyway I'm not and Nike is using him for their own beliefs - making loot while little kids sew our shoes. If you don't believe me check this:
    Here is the initial Nike ad campaign for Tiger:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSRzdXshLow

    Yep right there Nike politicizes Tiger saying "there are still some courses I can't play because of the color of my skin", then Nike golf patrons (rich white racists) got pissed and stopped buying their stuff. The way Nike shapes Tiger's celebrity magically changes so that he isn't the guy calling people out, but just the great golfer we can all admire. That, my friends, is politics, the politics of money. If rich racists buy my stuff then I must pander to their needs...if I don't I'm breaking the law in america - and we wonder why our economy is so fucked.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    RW81233 wrote:
    I understand why you might think that I want to exploit Tiger Woods for some political agenda from my posts, but it has more to do with the idea that I'd just like to hear what he thinks whether I like it or not. Anyway I'm not and Nike is using him for their own beliefs - making loot while little kids sew our shoes. If you don't believe me check this:
    Here is the initial Nike ad campaign for Tiger:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSRzdXshLow

    Yep right there Nike politicizes Tiger saying "there are still some courses I can't play because of the color of my skin", then Nike golf patrons (rich white racists) got pissed and stopped buying their stuff. The way Nike shapes Tiger's celebrity magically changes so that he isn't the guy calling people out, but just the great golfer we can all admire. That, my friends, is politics, the politics of money. If rich racists buy my stuff then I must pander to their needs...if I don't I'm breaking the law in america - and we wonder why our economy is so fucked.

    I've never seen that ad and it looks like a high school videoshop project. Do you have any actual proof that 1) that's really a Nike ad and 2) they pulled it because of backlash? What is this breaking the law nonsense you're babbling about? Are you capable of actually talking about this subject or do you just like to get up on your soapbox and preach to "my friends" with your condescending and sanctimonious rhetoric about rich white racists (which sounds to me like a lot of white suburban guilt)?
  • Thorns2010
    Thorns2010 Posts: 2,201
    soulsinging wrote:

    I've never seen that ad and it looks like a high school videoshop project. Do you have any actual proof that 1) that's really a Nike ad and 2) they pulled it because of backlash? What is this breaking the law nonsense you're babbling about? Are you capable of actually talking about this subject or do you just like to get up on your soapbox and preach to "my friends" with your condescending and sanctimonious rhetoric about rich white racists (which sounds to me like a lot of white suburban guilt)?


    I remember seeing it on tv, however I don't remember hearing anything about it being pulled because of controversy.
  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    soulsinging wrote:
    RW81233 wrote:
    I understand why you might think that I want to exploit Tiger Woods for some political agenda from my posts, but it has more to do with the idea that I'd just like to hear what he thinks whether I like it or not. Anyway I'm not and Nike is using him for their own beliefs - making loot while little kids sew our shoes. If you don't believe me check this:
    Here is the initial Nike ad campaign for Tiger:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSRzdXshLow

    Yep right there Nike politicizes Tiger saying "there are still some courses I can't play because of the color of my skin", then Nike golf patrons (rich white racists) got pissed and stopped buying their stuff. The way Nike shapes Tiger's celebrity magically changes so that he isn't the guy calling people out, but just the great golfer we can all admire. That, my friends, is politics, the politics of money. If rich racists buy my stuff then I must pander to their needs...if I don't I'm breaking the law in america - and we wonder why our economy is so fucked.

    I've never seen that ad and it looks like a high school videoshop project. Do you have any actual proof that 1) that's really a Nike ad and 2) they pulled it because of backlash? What is this breaking the law nonsense you're babbling about? Are you capable of actually talking about this subject or do you just like to get up on your soapbox and preach to "my friends" with your condescending and sanctimonious rhetoric about rich white racists (which sounds to me like a lot of white suburban guilt)?
    I'm sorry if my writing comes along as condescending it isn't my intention I really believed that I was demonstrating a point in my argument. Anyway, there is only one rule for corporations to follow in America, make money for your stockholders. That's what I was talking about when it came to breaking the law in America when it actually comes to profit vs. actually caring about social issues. Finally that was Tiger's first commercial for Nike, it wasn't on too long and probably was digitized from someone's tape. You can check out an Article on the negative response and Nike's change in advertising b/c of it in David Andrews and C.L. Cole "America's New Son" article. As for suburban white guilt...I don't come from the suburbs, and I don't live in them (rural Northern New York/Downtown Baltimore) all I am doing is pointing out that golf is a sport that is participated and watched by a pretty high concentration of rich,white, racists. If you don't believe me go hang in your local golf course bar.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    RW81233 wrote:
    I'm sorry if my writing comes along as condescending it isn't my intention I really believed that I was demonstrating a point in my argument. Anyway, there is only one rule for corporations to follow in America, make money for your stockholders. That's what I was talking about when it came to breaking the law in America when it actually comes to profit vs. actually caring about social issues. Finally that was Tiger's first commercial for Nike, it wasn't on too long and probably was digitized from someone's tape. You can check out an Article on the negative response and Nike's change in advertising b/c of it in David Andrews and C.L. Cole "America's New Son" article. As for suburban white guilt...I don't come from the suburbs, and I don't live in them (rural Northern New York/Downtown Baltimore) all I am doing is pointing out that golf is a sport that is participated and watched by a pretty high concentration of rich,white, racists. If you don't believe me go hang in your local golf course bar.

    I agree with your first point, and I've written extensively in the political forum here about the problems inherent in our stock market and the way it inevitably leads to a slash and burn approach to economics. But I don't think Tiger Woods speaking or not speaking about racism is going to have any impact on any of that. I strongly suspect that if he wanted to speak out, he would. I think he doesn't because he has no interest in doing so, and that is absolutely his prerogative. The right to free speech also extends to the right not to speak.

    As to golfers, yes, most golfers are wealthy and white, but of the many I know, I can't think of any that are racist. And I mix with a lot of the people I suspect you're talking about as it's kind of part of the social/networking inherent in my field. Personally, I think it's a boring as shit sport that I'd never watch and have no patience to learn to play.

    Now FRISBEE golf on the other hand...
  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    Disc Golf=Awesome!
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    here's me and my brother hangin' with tiger at the masters this past sunday ;)

    http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k16/c ... G_2656.jpg

    i'm the tubby one to the left of tiger and my bro is next to me :D
  • sweet adeline
    sweet adeline Posts: 2,191
    norm wrote:
    here's me and my brother hangin' with tiger at the masters this past sunday ;)

    http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k16/c ... G_2656.jpg

    i'm the tubby one to the left of tiger and my bro is next to me :D

    ha, that is awesome! looks like you had some good seats. did you camp out there all day or did you following tiger and phil?
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    sweet adeline wrote:
    norm wrote:
    here's me and my brother hangin' with tiger at the masters this past sunday ;)

    http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k16/c ... G_2656.jpg

    i'm the tubby one to the left of tiger and my bro is next to me :D

    ha, that is awesome! looks like you had some good seats. did you camp out there all day or did you following tiger and phil?


    we put our chairs there first thing in the morning then followed tiger and phil around for the first few holes...tiger's tee shot on 1 went left into the woods, hit a beehive and landed in the 8th fairway.....we're watching tiger's second shot with 1000 pissed off bees swarming above our heads :shock: :P

    there must have been almost 10,000 people following tiger and phil....it was madness!! :mrgreen:

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