Tiger Woods...............

Wobbie

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Tiger is better at golf than...

Babe Ruth was at baseball
Michael Jordan was at basketball

or anyone else for that matter.............

maybe..........but it's GOLF! It's a game; not a sport.

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

he comes across as a good decent human being......

friends of mine who have "dealt with" him, would tell you otherwise.

patrickredeyes

Tiger Woods is the best there ever will be.

South of Seattle

patrickredeyes wrote:

Tiger Woods is the best there ever will be.

+1

patrickredeyes

South of Seattle wrote:

patrickredeyes wrote:

Tiger Woods is the best there ever will be.

+1

That was great watching that shot live. Awesome!!!!!

sweet adeline

nice to see tiger back in form, ready for another green jacket.

i envision phil mickelson looking like this a lot at this years masters:

norm

sweet adeline wrote:

nice to see tiger back in form, ready for another green jacket.

i envision phil mickelson looking like this a lot at this years masters:

i'm hoping for tiger and phil to be in the final pairing on sunday....mostly because i'll be there!!!

sweet adeline

norm wrote:

sweet adeline wrote:

nice to see tiger back in form, ready for another green jacket.

i envision phil mickelson looking like this a lot at this years masters:

i'm hoping for tiger and phil to be in the final pairing on sunday....mostly because i'll be there!!!

what?!? you lucky mofo, how did you get tickets? i went to the 2000 masters when vijay won (not very cool), but it was amazing. have you been before? TV does not do that course justice.

norm

sweet adeline wrote:

norm wrote:

sweet adeline wrote:

nice to see tiger back in form, ready for another green jacket.

i envision phil mickelson looking like this a lot at this years masters:

i'm hoping for tiger and phil to be in the final pairing on sunday....mostly because i'll be there!!!

what?!? you lucky mofo, how did you get tickets? i went to the 2000 masters when vijay won (not very cool), but it was amazing. have you been before? TV does not do that course justice.

it's my 40th birthday present from my family...never been and was totally surprised when they told me

i'm going with my brother who taught me how to play golf and basically got me into golf...i'm so amped to go but i think my bro might be more which makes me really happy

vijay's a tool....sorry you had to experience that

Wobbie

norm wrote:

it's my 40th birthday present from my family

Such is the life of a trust fund baby!








































sorry, Norm............couldn't resist. Have one of whatever they drink down there for me.

norm

imalive wrote:

norm wrote:

it's my 40th birthday present from my family

Such is the life of a trust fund baby!
sorry, Norm............couldn't resist. Have one of whatever they drink down there for me.

jealous? green just isn't your color

and if this is how trust fund babies live, they can keep it :P

SPEEDY MCCREADY

norm wrote:

sweet adeline wrote:

nice to see tiger back in form, ready for another green jacket.

i envision phil mickelson looking like this a lot at this years masters:

i'm hoping for tiger and phil to be in the final pairing on sunday....mostly because i'll be there!!!

one day....

SPEEDY will be in attendance at the Masters....

that is SO FUCKING COOL that YOU will be there....

SPEEDY MCCREADY

nevermind...................

RW81233

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Indifference71 wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

it will be interesting to see if he continues to think he his bigger than the game.

the player attitude of "bigger than the game" is what destroyed professional sports, for me.

coaches attitude of "bigger than the game" is what is killing college sports currently, for me.

Since when does Tiger think he is "bigger than the game"????

This guy works his ass off to be the best golfer in the world.

He's one of the most intense competitors around and hates losing and that shows by his win totals.

what i admire about Tiger....

is all he wants do to is be the best golfer on the planet...PERIOD!!!

he keeps his political beliefs to himself...he keeps his family life out of the media(as best as he can)

he comes across as a good decent human being......

its just about golf....

I guess I disagree. Why shouldn't he be open about his political beliefs? This is a country that is supposed to encourage political dialogue with many different voices, from different backgrounds (not just professional government officials and television and radio 'news' talk shows). In other worlds are you arguing that Jackie Robinson should have kept his mouth shut? Muhammad Ali? John Carlos and Tommie Smith?

In the end who does it benefit to have someone who separates sport and politics? Does Tiger Woods relative silence about racism in golf help the next minority golfer that comes on tour? Does Tiger Woods relative silence about sweatshop manufacturing, particularly as used by NIKE, help kids in Indonesia that have finger arthritis at 10 from sewing his t-shirt and shoes? In the end the people that really benefit from this are the rich assholes that own Tiger Woods, the twisted American way of life, and Tiger Woods. Thus is it not surprising that the most media conglomerates, which are owned by the people that own Tiger Woods, encourage similar attitudes about sport and politics to the one you have?

The real irony is that we think that politics and sport don't mix, but in our neoliberal capitalist country we sit down and watch a game thats equipment is manufactured overseas in sweatshops instead of US factories, played predominantly by men, announced predominantly by men, over television stations that are owned mostly by rich, white, men, which accept commercials from other corporations that do their production overseas rather than in the US, that are also owned by mostly rich, white, men. Moreover, while the people of America are being sold out by these companies, they convince us that we are 'being american' by watching the sport - how ridiculous...no? You see sports are political, they are a tool to get us to follow what those is power want us to do in America, and by Tiger Woods being silent, and many people thinking that's a good thing, you are not 'being American' in the truest sense since you aren't offering anything to the American political process. But...that's just a different way of looking at it.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

like i said....

Im glad Tiger Woods keeps his poilitical bullshit to himself....

and just plays golf..........

RW81233

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

like i said....

Im glad Tiger Woods keeps his poilitical bullshit to himself....

and just plays golf..........

but that's the point it is political when you "just play golf", he's essentially endorsing all that stuff I just wrote. And again should Jackie Robinson, John Carlos, Tommie Smith, Muhammad Ali, and others have been silent? Where would we be in this country without them? As I tell my students you can generally come down on one of two sides on this:

A. You can be aware of what's going on, and address it.
B. You can be aware of what's going on, but pretend it's not happening.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

RW81233 wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

like i said....

Im glad Tiger Woods keeps his poilitical bullshit to himself....

and just plays golf..........

but that's the point it is political when you "just play golf", he's essentially endorsing all that stuff I just wrote. And again should Jackie Robinson, John Carlos, Tommie Smith, Muhammad Ali, and others have been silent? Where would we be in this country without them? As I tell my students you can generally come down on one of two sides on this:

A. You can be aware of what's going on, and address it.
B. You can be aware of what's going on, but pretend it's not happening.

or i can be aware of whats going on....

and realize that Tiger Woods political beliefs are not going to change my life whatsoever....

and be happy he keeps them to himself........

RW81233

You really think that TIger Woods political beliefs wouldn't have an effect on your everyday life? That's a silly argument. History holds evidence that suggests otherwise. I mean Jackie Robinson integrated baseball 15 years before Brown v. Board of Education, Muhammad Ali helped support the anti-Vietnam effort, John Carlos and Tommie Smith pushed for equality during tough times and lost a lot of money for it, Cathy Freeman was able to make a whole country face a terrible truth about its past, and even Tiger Woods caused a stir with one of his first Nike commercials which stated that there were a lot of courses he couldn't play on in America because of the color of his skin...not surprisingly it was quickly pulled. Like it or not high profile athletes can have an effec on your life...the real question is why don't you want them to?

SPEEDY MCCREADY

RW81233 wrote:

You really think that TIger Woods political beliefs wouldn't have an effect on your everyday life? That's a silly argument. History holds evidence that suggests otherwise. I mean Jackie Robinson integrated baseball 15 years before Brown v. Board of Education, Muhammad Ali helped support the anti-Vietnam effort, John Carlos and Tommie Smith pushed for equality during tough times and lost a lot of money for it, Cathy Freeman was able to make a whole country face a terrible truth about its past, and even Tiger Woods caused a stir with one of his first Nike commercials which stated that there were a lot of courses he couldn't play on in America because of the color of his skin...not surprisingly it was quickly pulled. Like it or not high profile athletes can have an effec on your life...the real question is why don't you want them to?

because i would just rather watch Tiger Woods play golf......

You are asking me why I dont want high profile athletes to change my life????

because in the last 15 years i look at athletes(especially baseball players) as a bunch of overpaid, pieces of crap, steroid freaks who have no concept of the real world....

now why on earth would i give a rats ass about these athletes political beliefs??????

go ask Barry Bonds about his political Beliefs.....
go ask Michael Vick about his political beliefs.......
go ask Pacman Jones about his political beliefs............

Am i supposed to give a fuck about Jose Cansecos political Beliefs??????

Like i said these multi-millionaire athletes who have no concept of the real world......who get paid to play a kids game.....

can keep their political bullshit to themselves........................


Tiger Woods seems like nothing but a decent, good human being......who happens to be the best golfer on the planet......

who i also admire because he seems smart enough to realize that he is better off keeping his political bullshit to himself..........

RW81233

What about the people making billions off of the efforts of those playing a kids game? Do you not want to hear their political beliefs either, because those are the real people with the power. Like I said I guess I disagree, when someone I admire for the way they behave has something to say I listen then try to make my own decisions. I also disagree with your idea that Woods should stay silent when he could potentially start some huge anti-sweatshop movement if he so chose. That's the kind of stuff that changes our lives. Oh well...no biggie I'll agree to disagree.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

RW81233 wrote:

What about the people making billions off of the efforts of those playing a kids game? Do you not want to hear their political beliefs either, because those are the real people with the power. Like I said I guess I disagree, when someone I admire for the way they behave has something to say I listen then try to make my own decisions. I also disagree with your idea that Woods should stay silent when he could potentially start some huge anti-sweatshop movement if he so chose. That's the kind of stuff that changes our lives. Oh well...no biggie I'll agree to disagree.

yep...

agree to disagree...........

right on...