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Anyone Else Think The Rerelease Thing Is...
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....dumb?
I mean seriously. Do we really need the ENTIRE catalogue to be re-released? Say what you will, stick up for 'em all you want but truth be told from an objective standpoint it is such a money grab. It's so blatantly obvious that if you can't see it you have become mindless.
And please don't get on my case for being critical...everyone here is obviously a huge fan since we're all in the club to be posting on here.
At first I was actually considering getting Ten again but...why? What's the point? If I want to listen to Ten, I'll listen to Ten! I don't need to buy it again. As for the unplugged dvd, you can watch any song you want on youtube...or get a burned copy floating around somewhere, they gotta be out there. Most of the "unreleased" songs have in fact already been around for quite some time if you knew where to look and most do...
I can see how some people might want the vinyl version to spin on record player but that's about it. I don't know, honestly...I didn't mean to go off on a tangent and rant about this...but I really love the band and the music and it pisses me off that they are doing this...I truly believe that if the band 10 years ago could see the band today they would think, "wtf happened?"
Seriously...that's the bottom line here and why I felt compelled to post this...I love the band so much that this makes me angry!
I mean seriously. Do we really need the ENTIRE catalogue to be re-released? Say what you will, stick up for 'em all you want but truth be told from an objective standpoint it is such a money grab. It's so blatantly obvious that if you can't see it you have become mindless.
And please don't get on my case for being critical...everyone here is obviously a huge fan since we're all in the club to be posting on here.
At first I was actually considering getting Ten again but...why? What's the point? If I want to listen to Ten, I'll listen to Ten! I don't need to buy it again. As for the unplugged dvd, you can watch any song you want on youtube...or get a burned copy floating around somewhere, they gotta be out there. Most of the "unreleased" songs have in fact already been around for quite some time if you knew where to look and most do...
I can see how some people might want the vinyl version to spin on record player but that's about it. I don't know, honestly...I didn't mean to go off on a tangent and rant about this...but I really love the band and the music and it pisses me off that they are doing this...I truly believe that if the band 10 years ago could see the band today they would think, "wtf happened?"
Seriously...that's the bottom line here and why I felt compelled to post this...I love the band so much that this makes me angry!
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I get what you're saying about the $$ aspect. Re-buying something you already own. But I think the point of the re-issue (besides making money) is that so many fans want a vinyl copy of each album and the rareness of the first issues has driven the price above what most people can afford. Also the b-sides (what wasn't on Lost Dogs) are something most people are looking for. I purchased one so I obviously think it's worth it, but hopefully the rest of the catalog re-release is a little more modest in price.
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fact is the band needs money.its not selling out, its just the fans are stupid enough to buy into this crap. yea its silly to rerelease all of them but hey its supply and demand.
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i really don't think people believe this
sony was gonna re-release the albums with or without the bands help....i, for one, am glad the band has decided to assist and seemingly control how the albums are re-released...i just don't understand many people's knee jerk reaction to the reissues as simply a money grab by the band...
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i think that ever since the band hit 15 years, they kinda grown acceptance of more commercialistic ideals...i mean two songs from the new album were featured in TV shows (WWS was in CSI: NY and Come Back was in Friday Night Lights) and they did a lot of things you wouldn't expect them to...like they did story tellers and i mean aside from it being kind of like MTV unplugged, the fact the told the stories behind songs can make an artist feel kinda vulnerable, something early PJ would not practice...i think because PJ has hit this status of "classic" (and i think we all can agree with that), they feel that they can afford to get away with more commercial things. and i mean you got to hand it to them, 15 years of keeping things to themselves, they deserve to splurge on this kind of thing
Very well said, its nice that the band is going to do this on their own terms, and if the extras don't interest you, its simple don't buy it.
to touch on things you guys have said...
as for the b-sides...why not release a Lost Dogs 2 type-deal...keep it simple, all the b-sides on one new b-sides album. but no...they have to re-release EVERY. SINGLE. ALBUM. and honestly, i can understand how ten was recorded w/ old or outdated technology and not the way it should have been. but vs. through to the present...all those albums still sound fresh today and there's no need to mess with it.
about unplugged...why spend a ton of money on a set JUST to get unplugged dvd when you can watch it on youtube or get a burned copy? makes no sense to me.
metsfan - are you telling me this is ALL sony/epic and not pearl jam...the band is making NO money off of this, only the record company? i would find that hard to believe based on announcements/promotions made by the band and tenclub but if you can prove me wrong, please do. as for the "door is that way" comment, i'm not sure i'm ready to leave being a fan of this band. they're my favorite of all time...got into 'em as a teenager and have been in the club since 2002.
let me make this very clear...i LOVE this band...the things they have done in the past year (no more free board/charging to post, catalogue re-release, higher ticket prices, less overall touring) has REALLY tested me as a fan. don't want to come across like i'm complaining, but damn...let's face the facts here. when you look at what they're doing it sure is difficult not to get angry or disappointed unless you're completely retarded for pearl jam and buy anything and everything they throw at us.
it's not a knee-jerk reaction...it's an intelligent, clear-headed, logical, normal reaction.
pjfan - i disagree with the splurge comment. what are you saying? "oh we have kept things low-key and affordable and fair and underground and special and tight knit for years and built a reputation on it...perfect opportunity to pull a 180, change our tactics and make some extra dough!" it's bullshit and you KNOW it.
i'll say it one more time...i will always love the music but i will not apologize for being honest about this situation.
you are correct for saying the things you said, just as we are correct for saying the things we've said. and you have a right to feel this way and speak this way, we are just merely trying to show you other ways to think about it to help restore our moral faith in this band. honestly, i thought the same thing when i heard about the ten re-release, aside from the things i said earlier, i feel that this is more of a collectors item than an actual practical item. i mean what's the point of buying a $100 rare vinyl sealed, if you are just going to keep it sealed? the resale value? maybe. the way i've come to accept the re-release is thinking of it as a collectors item more than a practical item. that is in addition to what i said earlier.
fair enough man.
i would like nothing more than to have my moral faith in the band restored.
just saying that's pretty fucking difficult at the moment 'cuz of all the shit they're pulling.
Anyway, the deluxe edition (2CD+DVD) is hardly "a ton of money".
I love collector crap like this and that's why I bought it.
don't get me wrong. it's cool that unplugged is finally coming out. my point is that it's dumb that it has to be tied in with a re-release of ten. if you want the unplugged dvd, you have to buy it as a package deal with a re-release of an album everybody already has! and the version with the dvd is like $31 bucks! no, i guess it's not a "ton" of money but it's still ridiculous. $31 bucks...for a dvd...and a record i already have. wow. wake up and smell the frickin' coffee guys. it's a cash cow.
Vs, Vitalogy, No Code, & Yield I cannot see any reason to improve either.
Exactly.
And you know what else? Re-releasing Binaural, Riot Act etc. would just cheapen everything. Those are BRILLIANT records...re-releasing them would just effin' ruin everything...some things are better left untouched. And the fact they're willing to mess with that, just to squeeze more dimes out of everybody...
It makes me want to throw up.
my first thought when i heard about the rerelease was that Sony was going to do it, with or without them, so they stepped in. I hope that's how it went down, cuz it's really not something i ever expected to see them do? idk. it feels weird. putting out vinyl for the diehard vinyl fans is an excellent thing though...i don't know how much it takes to make vinyl these days, but on a whole, i wouldn't think they sell that many...so they may not be coming out ahead there? i did buy the rerelease pretty much for the dvd, although i am looking forward to the remix a little bit. i hope someone will post pics of the replica notebook and such...$140 is way out of my range. all in all, it will prob continue to be a moneymaking machine, rereleasing. they will continue to find just enough extras/bonus to throw in to get us to buy every one that comes out...at least me anyway. i'm really just excited about the tour that will HAVE to follow this ten rerelease!!!!!!
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I think they may just re-release it ala Metallica with new presses of vinyl and no extras.
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8/5/16 Fenway, 8/7/16 Fenway
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and as far as unplugged goes..those shitty you tube videos and fucked up boot leg DVD's with the big clock on the bottom and inferior sound quality isn't even fucking close to what an official remastered 5.1 is going to sound/look like!! see..some of us have entertainment systems with stereo's hooked up to our TV's so we can blast movies and concerts...i have 3 different boots of unplugged and i am salivating at the thought of an official released in 5.1 Dolby digital!!
I'm putting in for a vacation day at work on release day so i can listen to the new remixed version of ten..then watch the unplugged DVD..then download ten for rockband and fuck with my neighbors some more(all while getting a buzz on)...March 24th will be EPIC!!
BUT it's just: 1) RETARDED and 2) ILLEGAL to suggest to burn the DVD of MTV unplugged found on the internet. People have been banned because were distributing stuff like that.
And come on, youtube?? Have you ever heard about video "quality"? Sound "quality"? Don't even compare a DVD with youtube, you sound... like you are deaf and blind!!!!!!!!!!
I bought the Deluxe Ten edition because of the unplugged DVD, plus I get a remastered and remixed versions of one of my fav. albums. I can't complain for now. The other re-releases... mmm, we'll see, don't get paranoid like this!!
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BRING ON BINAURAL NOW!!!!
You people are unbelievable.
Pearl Jam could take a shit in a box and you'd buy it.
I'm not "suggesting" anything. I'm simply stating the obvious. Don't try to dance around the issue and make it look like you're a good little fan who wouldn't think of burning a dvd of your favorite band....good god. I'm not promoting anything one way or the other. The fact is there ARE copies out there whether you like it or not. And if you want the official dvd, you have to pay 31 dollars for it plus a record...you already...have! And I just so happen to be hearing impaired, so why don't you watch what you say about deaf and blind. If this were real life you'd be knocked out right now.
All the good things in the world the band has done does not excuse this behavior. They're compromising their integrity and no one cares.
Exactly, the remixed versions of TEN songs on rearviewmirror are just brilliant, I can't wait to hear tje whole album like that, I'm just hoping that they (brendan) would remix the other albums as well, especially Binaural and Riot act.
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the whole catalogue is being re-released during 2009-2010
Except Sundays, that's Ed day.
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You're joking, right? Does anyone read the main page of the site???
From the home page...under headline, "PEARL JAM ANNOUNCES THE REISSUE OF BAND’S DEBUT ALBUM, TEN"
The reissue of Ten serves as the launch of a planned two-year catalogue re-release campaign leading up to the band’s 20th anniversary in 2011.
I've always been bothered by this. On the Binaural album, Breakerfall, God's Dice, Evacuation, Light Years, Thin Air, Insignificance, Grievance, and Parting Ways are all mixed by Brendan O'Brien.
Only NAIS, Of the Girl, Rival, Sleight of Hand, and Soon Forget are mastered by Tchad Blake.
Except for the latter of the songs, why would the whole album need to be remastered. Most fans and the band themselves consider BOB their main producer and the best in the business. Personally I like this album more and more everytime I hear it and think it is great the way it sounds. If it was good enough in 2000 when it was released, why isn't it good enough now?
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I've read that. I just skimmed through it. thats preatty stupid. The only albums that need remastering are Ten, Binaural, and Avocado. VS? hell no.
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