***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

Cliffy6745

jamminpearls wrote:

The fact that it is $750k is by faaaaaaaaaar the only reason to mildly say this move is okay, but then again, it is a big league deal, I believe, so unless they have room on the 40 man, his spot is unprotecting someone.

Protection for Howard I don't think may teams are afraid of Young and his flailing.

He has had everything to prove for 6 or 7 years now. Dude is a bust. Plain and simple.

And uh, best behavior, he got arrested during this past season.

And the fact that Brown wasn't traded a long time ago shows that Amaro has no fucking clue what he is doing. If they think more of Delmon Young than Brown, well then, he should have been traded when he had an ounce of value.

The Yankees are so pathetic right now, it just gives me some satisfaction that the Phillies have fallen a whole lot faster.

The contract alone makes it a risk worth taking. In this park with the same amount of at bats his power #'s should increase. Look at every 5 hole hitter who's hit after Howard,there stats went up. Werth,Pence, Arron Rowand. The 5 hole hitter see's better pitches because of Howard period. Batting behind Howard sure helped Rowand and Werth get PAID. And since then both haven't done shit.

Brown has been a bust and this very likely could be his last chance with the Phillies. Young was a good player a few years ago and this might be his last chance to cash in big time. And i've never been a big Amaro fan so we agree on that.

Uh, are you familiar with the concept of protection in baseball?

Brown has never been given a chance and I would say it takes more than 1 season in a 7 year career to say said player 'was a good player a few years ago"

jamminpearls

Uh, are you familiar with the concept of protection in baseball?

Utley protects Howard. You know what I meant. Every 5th hole hitter here see's better pitches because of Howard.

Cliffy6745

jamminpearls wrote:

Uh, are you familiar with the concept of protection in baseball?

Utley protects Howard. You know what I meant. Every 5th hole hitter here see's better pitches because of Howard.

Ahhhh, Howard protects Utley. Utley sees better pitches because they know they can't avoid Howard and they don't want to have Howard up with people on base, so they throw strikes. It's about who is on deck, not in front of you. Why would someone hitting behind Howard see better pitches? Who bats 6th would be protection for the 5 hole.

jamminpearls

Cliffy6745 wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

Uh, are you familiar with the concept of protection in baseball?

Utley protects Howard. You know what I meant. Every 5th hole hitter here see's better pitches because of Howard.

Ahhhh, Howard protects Utley. Utley sees better pitches because they know they can't avoid Howard and they don't want to have Howard up with people on base, so they throw strikes. It's about who is on deck, not in front of you. Why would someone hitting behind Howard see better pitches? Who bats 6th would be protection for the 5 hole.

Like I said do the research. The 5 hole hitters have had career years our really good ones hitting beyond him. Before you try and bash check it out. If you don't wanna then the Yankees thread is awaiting.

Cliffy6745

jamminpearls wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

Uh, are you familiar with the concept of protection in baseball?

Utley protects Howard. You know what I meant. Every 5th hole hitter here see's better pitches because of Howard.

Ahhhh, Howard protects Utley. Utley sees better pitches because they know they can't avoid Howard and they don't want to have Howard up with people on base, so they throw strikes. It's about who is on deck, not in front of you. Why would someone hitting behind Howard see better pitches? Who bats 6th would be protection for the 5 hole.

Like I said do the research. The 5 hole hitters have had career years our really good ones hitting beyond him. Before you try and bash check it out. If you don't wanna then the Yankees thread is awaiting.

Okay....perhaps they just got career years out of a couple guys, like Young had a career year recently?

The entire concept of protection in baseball is based on who is on deck, so unless you figured something out that the entire world can't and doesn't make a lot of sense considering Howard's on base skills, then I would go with them just having career years.

jamminpearls

Yeah the last 3 hitters hitting after him just happened to have career years :roll: Hell in 46 less games and 196 less at bats Pence hit as many Hr's. Batted 14pts higher and his on base % was 38pts higher. Lets just say that was a coincidence. Rowand shattered career highs and Werth became Werthless since. So yeah i'd say that shitty flawing 1st basemen had something to do with there pitches.

Cliffy6745

jamminpearls wrote:

Yeah the last 3 hitters hitting after him just happened to have career years :roll: Hell in 46 less games and 196 less at bats Pence hit as many Hr's. Batted 14pts higher and his on base % was 38pts higher. Lets just say that was a coincidence. Rowand shattered career highs and Werth became Werthless since. So yeah i'd say that shitty flawing 1st basemen had something to do with there pitches.

Logically, why though? Howard strikes out or hits a home run so the pitchers says fuck it and throws them meat balls? 2006-2007 could make sense with an OBP of almost .400 but aside from that, nothing else makes sense. Ryan Howard is not 2006-2007 Ryan Howard either

Cliffy6745

But the point remains, Delmon Young is horrific. I'm too sick to argue this.

jamminpearls

Cliffy6745 wrote:

But the point remains, Delmon Young is horrific. I'm too sick to argue this.

When did I ever say he's great? I said I like the signing at 750k. And that he's got alot to prove and a good year could occur. Especially in this park and hitting behind Howard.

jamminpearls

Cliffy6745 wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

Yeah the last 3 hitters hitting after him just happened to have career years :roll: Hell in 46 less games and 196 less at bats Pence hit as many Hr's. Batted 14pts higher and his on base % was 38pts higher. Lets just say that was a coincidence. Rowand shattered career highs and Werth became Werthless since. So yeah i'd say that shitty flawing 1st basemen had something to do with there pitches.

Logically, why though? Howard strikes out or hits a home run so the pitchers says fuck it and throws them meat balls? 2006-2007 could make sense with an OBP of almost .400 but aside from that, nothing else makes sense. Ryan Howard is not 2006-2007 Ryan Howard either

Because once you get by the scary/power hitter your not as scared of the next guy as much. Not saying meatballs but maybe a little less focus. And I agree he's not but Pence's 2011 season says alot imo.

The Fixer

jamminpearls wrote:

The fact that it is $750k is by faaaaaaaaaar the only reason to mildly say this move is okay, but then again, it is a big league deal, I believe, so unless they have room on the 40 man, his spot is unprotecting someone.

Protection for Howard I don't think may teams are afraid of Young and his flailing.

He has had everything to prove for 6 or 7 years now. Dude is a bust. Plain and simple.

And uh, best behavior, he got arrested during this past season.

And the fact that Brown wasn't traded a long time ago shows that Amaro has no fucking clue what he is doing. If they think more of Delmon Young than Brown, well then, he should have been traded when he had an ounce of value.

The Yankees are so pathetic right now, it just gives me some satisfaction that the Phillies have fallen a whole lot faster.

The contract alone makes it a risk worth taking. In this park with the same amount of at bats his power #'s should increase. Look at every 5 hole hitter who's hit after Howard,there stats went up. Werth,Pence, Arron Rowand. The 5 hole hitter see's better pitches because of Howard period. Batting behind Howard sure helped Rowand and Werth get PAID. And since then both haven't done shit.

Brown has been a bust and this very likely could be his last chance with the Phillies. Young was a good player a few years ago and this might be his last chance to cash in big time. And i've never been a big Amaro fan so we agree on that.

brown has had approx 450 mlb ABs. Not sure how anyone can call him a bust.

Even with the small sample size... he's better than delmon young

The Fixer

Cliffy6745 wrote:

But the point remains, Delmon Young is horrific. I'm too sick to argue this.

come on, you know you're impressed

http://crashburnalley.com/wp-content/up ... DELMON.gif

delmon young is probably the worst position player in mlb. francoeur beats him out because he is good in field

there is nothing to like about the delmon young signing....other than it hopefully gets amaro one step closer to getting fired

The Juggler

just over 2 weeks to go now...

Wobbie

The Fixer wrote:

come on, you know you're impressed

http://crashburnalley.com/wp-content/up ... DELMON.gif

excellent! :thumbup:

The Juggler

The Dude's son is marrying Meadow Soprano...


should make for a nice little subplot in the movie.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

The Dude's son is marrying Meadow Soprano...


should make for a nice little subplot in the movie.

saw this. hopefully she is smart enough to get a pre-nup.

Cliffy6745

Man, I think Corbett is a worthless piece of shit, but I am down with this LCB plan, especially with the money going to education. I hope it goes through.

pjhawks

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Man, I think Corbett is a worthless piece of shit, but I am down with this LCB plan, especially with the money going to education. I hope it goes through.

agree 100%. there is nothing worse in this state than our ridiculous state store system.

JK_Livin

pjhawks wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Man, I think Corbett is a worthless piece of shit, but I am down with this LCB plan, especially with the money going to education. I hope it goes through.

agree 100%. there is nothing worse in this state than our ridiculous state store system.

This is one thing everyone will agree on.

Cliffy6745

JK_Livin wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Man, I think Corbett is a worthless piece of shit, but I am down with this LCB plan, especially with the money going to education. I hope it goes through.

agree 100%. there is nothing worse in this state than our ridiculous state store system.

This is one thing everyone will agree on.

For sure. This plan goes all out too, even so far as allowing bars to sell bottles of wine to go.