***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

worley for ellsbury?

worley for fowler?

fowler might take another piece. i'd be happy either way

not the biggest fan of Fowler's but still would do either of those over trading Lee for Justin Upton. i think small tweaks like those moves are better than any big moves at this point. as much as i like Justin Upton if you trade Lee you are putting even more on halladay's health and i'm not convinced halladay is going to be dominate again.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

worley for ellsbury?

worley for fowler?

fowler might take another piece. i'd be happy either way

not the biggest fan of Fowler's but still would do either of those over trading Lee for Justin Upton. i think small tweaks like those moves are better than any big moves at this point. as much as i like Justin Upton if you trade Lee you are putting even more on halladay's health and i'm not convinced halladay is going to be dominate again.

would love to get upton....don't want to trade clifton though.

Johnny Abruzzo

For what it's worth, I don't think either Upton would end up playing out all that well in Phila. Those guys are better in places like Phoenix and Atlanta with more "relaxed" fan bases.

The Fixer

First time I've been on here in a while. Not banned, just tired of arguing with people who I don't respect. Focusing on work, which has paid off with a monster raise this month :thumbup: . Looks like I will be moving the family over the next few months, which is all good.

Funny that the same people who loved the bynum trade are the ones panning for ellsbury. Same. Exact. Thing. At least the phillies can't trade their first round picks.

Keppinger just got 3, 12 from the chisox. Dude would have been perfect here. Now this team is going to end up with a turd like mark reynolds at 3B and my head is going to explode.

I don't want any part of hamilton. I think they are going to severely overpay and end up with bourn. Apparently they are back on Swisher, who's a complete tool, but would fit nicely in their barren OF (why they released schierholtz, who was their best OFer, is beyond me).

Missed out on Soria and Madson as well.

I would love Justin Upton. And I hope they move worley...don't even care what they get for the RH, tool version of Happ.

Just another typical Amaro offseason, sans the horrendous overpay (which is inevitably coming). Can't wait til he gives his aging catcher a big contract extension.

Never thought I would miss ed wade and lee thomas. Sadly, that's how bad this clown is at his job.

The Fixer

Also, ryan howard married jeff carter's sloppy seconds. Fact.

You can't make this stuff up. What a loser. Poor girl has awful taste in pro athletes

The Juggler

sucks to give up may but this guy is under team control till 2017 and makes peanuts. possibly our cf and leadoff hitter for next 5 years... gotta be another shoe to drop. swisher maybe?

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/ ... rom-twins/

Phillies acquire Ben Revere from Twins for Vance Worley and Trevor May

When the Twins traded Denard Span last week the assumption was that they did so in part because Ben Revere was ready to step in as their new center fielder and leadoff man, but now they’ve traded Revere to the Phillies.

Todd Zolecki of MLB.com broke the news and Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com says the Twins are getting right-hander Vance Worley and pitching prospect Trevor May in return.

Minnesota has an incredible lack of quality pitching throughout the organization and one area where the Twins have good depth is the outfield, where former first-round pick Aaron Hicks could be ready to become the starting center fielder at some point in 2013. Revere is very fast and very good defensively, but he has zero power and a fairly limited overall upside, so if the Twins feel Hicks will be ready soon anyway it makes some sense.

Revere has tremendous range in center field that more than makes up for perhaps the worst arm in baseball and he’s capable of swiping 50 bases at a good clip, but he may never hit an over-the-fence homer and through age 24 he’s hit .278 with a .319 on-base percentage and .323 slugging percentage. For years he’s been compared to Juan Pierre, for better or worse.

Worley missed the final month of the season with an elbow injury that required minor surgery, but when healthy the 24-year-old right-hander has a 3.50 ERA in 278 career innings with a solid strikeout rate of 7.7 per nine frames. Long term Worley is a mid-rotation guy, but on the Twins right now he immediately becomes their best starter. Barring more trades, of course.

May is a 22-year-old former fourth-round pick who spent this year at Double-A, posting a 4.87 ERA while racking up 151 strikeouts in 149 innings. He has control issues, but May was a top-100 prospect coming into the season and has 11.1 strikeouts per nine innings for his pro career. Minnesota wanted young pitching and they definitely got it

eeriepadave

Still waiting for the Michael Young deal :roll:

Johnny Abruzzo

Well that wasn't much of an endorsement for Revere...

Hope May doesn't turn out to be a stud. Not worried about trading Worley, but I appreciate the stuff he did for the team.

The Fixer

Amaro has hit a new low with this young trade. What an ass hole.

eeriepadave

eeriepadave wrote:

Still waiting for the Michael Young deal :roll:

The Fixer wrote:

Amaro has hit a new low with this young trade. What an ass hole.

Why cause he's 36 and it's for only one year? Or cause he had a bad year last year? Or was it the players we traded for to get him?

The Fixer

eeriepadave wrote:

eeriepadave wrote:

Still waiting for the Michael Young deal :roll:

The Fixer wrote:

Amaro has hit a new low with this young trade. What an ass hole.

Why cause he's 36 and it's for only one year? Or cause he had a bad year last year? Or was it the players we traded for to get him?

the first question is the only good thing about this move. and apparently the phils wanted to EXTEND young prior to the trade being announced (thank god that young declined). you can't make this stuff up.

the second two questions are part of the problem. young and galvis had similar OPS last year...and young strength is supposed to be offense! Young's WAR was NEGATIVE 2.4 last year. That is insane. And that was with him playing mostly first base. He hasn't played third everyday since 2010 I believe. There's a reason for that...because he cannot play 3B.

Why give up two young players (bonilla is said to have future closer stuff...he was the best RP in their system) and pay 6 million for a guy who's clearly on the downside of his career?

I hate the trade. Par for the course with amaro running the show. Fire his ass

Ledbetterman10

The headline on Deadspin says it all:

"The Phillies upgraded their miserable third base situation by trading for the Rangers' miserable third base situation."

The Fixer

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

The headline on Deadspin says it all:

"The Phillies upgraded their miserable third base situation by trading for the Rangers' miserable third base situation."

A lot of people considered young to be the worst position player in mlb last year.

Gotta grab him if you have the chance. At least we are guaranteed some fielding comedy with two statues at the corners this year.

sigh

The Fixer

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

The headline on Deadspin says it all:

"The Phillies upgraded their miserable third base situation by trading for the Rangers' miserable third base situation."

Beltre is pretty damn good

eeriepadave

guess i'm in the minority in liking the pick up. He was great a few years ago, I'm hoping last year was just an off year :?

jamminpearls

eeriepadave wrote:

guess i'm in the minority in liking the pick up. He was great a few years ago, I'm hoping last year was just an off year :?

I don't mind either move at the moment,because we got a 3b and a CF for less then 7 mill combine. Now if can we add a OF and a setup guy and not over paid them then i'd be extremely happy. Cody Ross would suck imo,i'd be happy with a OF of Swisher or Hamilton(no more then 4yrs) Revere and Ruf.

The Juggler

jamminpearls wrote:

eeriepadave wrote:

guess i'm in the minority in liking the pick up. He was great a few years ago, I'm hoping last year was just an off year :?

I don't mind either move at the moment,because we got a 3b and a CF for less then 7 mill combine. Now if can we add a OF and a setup guy and not over paid them then i'd be extremely happy. Cody Ross would suck imo,i'd be happy with a OF of Swisher or Hamilton(no more then 4yrs) Revere and Ruf.

definitely like the revere move more than i like the young move. but at least it's a 1 year stop gap before the young buck is hopefully ready.

waiting for the next shoe to drop. i'm not sure why they apparently aren't interested in swisher. douchebagginess aside, he's a right handed bat with pop who gets on base. wouldn't mind him in right field for next few years.

The Fixer

swisher is a switch hitter (5 of his 24 HRs from the right side). some people just shouldn't comment on baseball

the revere trade is a mixed bag. I'm glad they didn't overpay for a free agent, but the nats gave up less to get a better player in span. why can't amaro make that kind of deal?

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

swisher is a switch hitter (5 of his 24 HRs from the right side). some people just shouldn't comment on baseball

the revere trade is a mixed bag. I'm glad they didn't overpay for a free agent, but the nats gave up less to get a better player in span. why can't amaro make that kind of deal?

good for you, yeah he's a switch hitter. congrats on pointing out my mistake. thankfully there were no grammatical errors. :roll:

last 3 years his average is 30 points higher as a righty and his obp is 70 points higher as a righty. hr's are less, sure, but so are his at bats from the right side. this lineup can use that kind of production.

would you be opposed to a swisher signing? if so, who would you prefer?

jamminpearls

the revere trade is a mixed bag. I'm glad they didn't overpay for a free agent, but the nats gave up less to get a better player in span. why can't amaro make that kind of deal?[/quote]

Agree,the trade imo depends on what they do with the xtra cash they saved at the CF spot. I'd go 4-105 for Hamilton,but no higher in the years for sure. I hate Cody Ross,don't mind Swisher and would still love a trade for Upton. Amaro didn't make the Span deal because he was going after BJ and Pagan at that time. I think after losing out on those 2 he wanted Bourne but Borus wouldn't budge on his insane price tag. Like I said I like the Revere trade only because it frees us up for a big move.