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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    RW81233 wrote:
    i know my student had a huge pick inside the 20 just a bit ago, but the tigers are making this way more interesting than it needs to be.

    Up 11 with four minutes left. Looking good
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Fixer wrote:
    RW81233 wrote:
    i know my student had a huge pick inside the 20 just a bit ago, but the tigers are making this way more interesting than it needs to be.

    Up 11 with four minutes left. Looking good

    Bang. CAA champs. Round one bye.

    Rob Ambrose for President. Love it.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Phillies are going to lose a pick for Papelbon but not get one for Madson with the new CBA.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Phillies are going to lose a pick for Papelbon but not get one for Madson with the new CBA.

    more amaro magic. gotta love it :roll:
  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    RW81233 wrote:
    i know my student had a huge pick inside the 20 just a bit ago, but the tigers are making this way more interesting than it needs to be.

    Up 11 with four minutes left. Looking good

    Bang. CAA champs. Round one bye.

    Rob Ambrose for President. Love it.
    Unfuckingreal...my student had a big pick inside the 20 in that game
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    We just traded for Ty Winnington for a player to be named or cash from Colorado.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    jamminpearls wrote:
    We just traded for Ty Winnington for a player to be named or cash from Colorado.

    yeah. rocks are picking up half his '12 salary too. not a bad move i guess. lil pop off the bench. versatile guy. he's 34 though.
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  • Phantom Pain
    Phantom Pain Posts: 9,876
    The Juggler wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    We just traded for Ty Winnington for a player to be named or cash from Colorado.

    yeah. rocks are picking up half his '12 salary too. not a bad move i guess. lil pop off the bench. versatile guy. he's 34 though.
    I guess no Cuddyer now ?
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Phantom Pain wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    We just traded for Ty Winnington for a player to be named or cash from Colorado.

    yeah. rocks are picking up half his '12 salary too. not a bad move i guess. lil pop off the bench. versatile guy. he's 34 though.
    I guess no Cuddyer now ?

    i dunno. if they only have to pay wigginton 2 million, i guess they might still have room for someone else.

    wiggington's got a 500k buyout after 2012 too.
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  • The Fixer
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    The Juggler wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    We just traded for Ty Winnington for a player to be named or cash from Colorado.

    yeah. rocks are picking up half his '12 salary too. not a bad move i guess. lil pop off the bench. versatile guy. he's 34 though.

    would be a good move if he didn't suck
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,406
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    We just traded for Ty Winnington for a player to be named or cash from Colorado.

    yeah. rocks are picking up half his '12 salary too. not a bad move i guess. lil pop off the bench. versatile guy. he's 34 though.

    would be a good move if he didn't suck

    :lol:
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Interesting. Could be good news.

    . The current luxury tax threshold of $178 million will not increase in 2012 as it had in the previous CBA. The average yearly increase was $8 million in the old agreement.

    Does that mean the Phillies' payroll ceiling is $178 million? Probably not. Team officials, including president David Montgomery, declared a willingness during last season to do what was needed — even if it meant going over the tax limit.

    And while the luxury tax is this mythological status to avoid at all costs, it's really not debilitating. Teams who exceed it for the first time (and we are 99 percent certain the Phillies did not exceed the limit in 2011, but it's possible) must pay a tax of 22.5 percent on the amount they are over.

    So let's say the Phillies' payroll is $180 million in 2012. They would be taxed on the $2 million and have to pay $450,000, or the equivalent of almost one minimum salary, to Major League Baseball. Again, if that's separating the Phillies from a deadline acquisition, it's not a huge impediment.

    It's also possible that the actual tax is less under the new CBA in return for maintaining the same threshold.

    The guess here is in 2012, the Phillies become the first National League team to ever pay luxury tax.
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,344
    jamminpearls wrote:
    We just traded for Ty Winnington for a player to be named or cash from Colorado.
    is that the dude who does the home makeover show? :? ;)
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • The Juggler
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    imalive wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    We just traded for Ty Winnington for a player to be named or cash from Colorado.
    is that the dude who does the home makeover show? :? ;)
    :lol:
    my wife watches that show. i despise it

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  • The Juggler
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    The Juggler wrote:
    Phantom Pain wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:

    yeah. rocks are picking up half his '12 salary too. not a bad move i guess. lil pop off the bench. versatile guy. he's 34 though.
    I guess no Cuddyer now ?

    i dunno. if they only have to pay wigginton 2 million, i guess they might still have room for someone else.

    wiggington's got a 500k buyout after 2012 too.

    salsbury thinks the phils still have an offer on the table for cuddyer...for probably less money than what was reported earlier. he'd have to take less to come here. hopefully he'd take less years too :mrgreen:
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,344
    The Juggler wrote:
    my wife watches that show. i despise it

    220px-Ty_Pennington.jpg
    put your foot down, dude. sheesh! :roll:
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    well i'm that guy. we're in the process of renovating our kitchen. new appliances were delivered on thursday.....aaaaaaaaaand naturally i fucked up the measurement for the fridge. oh it fits in it's space. only thing is the door doesn't have any space to open, which apparently is important. need an extra half inch or so which this guy failed to account for. :x :lol: ....and the slightly smaller version of this one won't be in stock until next wednesday. so now we've got this fucking thing sticking out like a sore thumb, blocking 3/4's of the kitchen's door frame for close to 2 weeks.

    the wife is none too pleased...at least i got the old kitchen fridge moved downstairs and the old/dead basement fridge hauled away. so the juggler has an operational beer fridge again.



    sorry. just needed to rant. i can't wait till all this shit is done. such a pain in the ass.
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,406
    The Juggler wrote:
    well i'm that guy. we're in the process of renovating our kitchen. new appliances were delivered on thursday.....aaaaaaaaaand naturally i fucked up the measurement for the fridge. oh it fits in it's space. only thing is the door doesn't have any space to open, which apparently is important. need an extra half inch or so which this guy failed to account for. :x :lol: ....and the slightly smaller version of this one won't be in stock until next wednesday. so now we've got this fucking thing sticking out like a sore thumb, blocking 3/4's of the kitchen's door frame for close to 2 weeks.

    the wife is none too pleased...at least i got the old kitchen fridge moved downstairs and the old/dead basement fridge hauled away. so the juggler has an operational beer fridge again.



    sorry. just needed to rant. i can't wait till all this shit is done. such a pain in the ass.

    Nice job. :lol:
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  • The Fixer
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    like I said, this guy sucks. here is law's take. nice job amaro :roll:


    The Philadelphia Phillies acquired Ty Wigginton from the Rockies for cash or a player to be named later. Wigginton is now 34 years old and four years removed from a stone-fluke season in Houston in which he hit .343/.390/.691 at home (again, a great park for right-handed hitters); since that year, he has a composite line of .254/.310/.411 (removing IBB), and that includes a handful of at-bats in Coors Field in 2011. He can play six positions, all of them poorly.

    If this does indeed end the Phillies' pursuit of Cuddyer, they have avoided a risky long-term commitment but are the worse team for it in 2012, as Wigginton shouldn't receive any kind of regular playing time and won't hit, hit for power or get on base as well as Cuddyer would. For the Rockies, this small bit of salary relief must have seemed like a gift from the gods, as Wigginton looked more like a future DFA candidate than a tradeable asset.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    contrary to previous reports it looks like the phils will still get a 1st round pick for madson...assuming they offer him arbitration

    YAY!! :mrgreen:
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