***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

jamminpearls

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Wow what a game for Ibanez!

The old man has been damn good as of late.

The Fixer

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Wow what a game for Ibanez!

for real. great comeback today. hopefully this was a playoff preview

The Juggler

you guys are funny.


confidence levels are high :thumbup: :thumbup:


phils lead nl in runs scored for july too :thumbup: :wave:

jamminpearls

The Juggler wrote:

you guys are funny.


confidence levels are high :thumbup: :thumbup:

Pence will make life for Howard and Raul so much better. This trade is fucking awesome,plus he just seems like a good dude.

The Fixer

jamminpearls wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

you guys are funny.


confidence levels are high :thumbup: :thumbup:

Pence will make life for Howard and Raul so much better. This trade is fucking awesome,plus he just seems like a good dude.

he does seem like a good dude. reminds me of mike sweeney last year

The Juggler

i love how the trade has paid dividends so quickly.

pence just looks like an old school baseball player. love the high stirrups. should be a rule in mlb that they should not be allowed to wear their pants falling off their fucking cleats. i hate that shit.

jamminpearls

Pence came from a team that would be 33.5 games behind the Phillies :shock:

The Juggler

jamminpearls wrote:

Pence came from a team that would be 33.5 games behind the Phillies :shock:

lineup is so much more balanced with him in the 5 hole. love this team.

how bout the reds sweeping the giants this weekend?

The Fixer

The Juggler wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

Pence came from a team that would be 33.5 games behind the Phillies :shock:

lineup is so much more balanced with him in the 5 hole. love this team.

how bout the reds sweeping the giants this weekend?

the reds are the strangest team in baseball. they were just swept at home in a 4 game series vs the mets, then they sweep the giants.

Pretty safe to assume the phils will have the 1 seed and get the central winner. Who do you guys want/not want to play?

jamminpearls

Don't want Milwaukee or SF other then that i could care less.

eeriepadave

Johnny Abruzzo

jamminpearls wrote:

Don't want Milwaukee or SF other then that i could care less.

I'd like the Buccos or Cards. Or the Reds. But the Brewers don't really scare me that much either.

Id rather play the Braves in the NLCS.

and the Indians in the World Series.

actually the Yankees

CH156378

Randy Moss?

jamminpearls

CH156378 wrote:

Randy Moss!

???

Johnny Abruzzo

Braves lost their 10,000th game. Welcome to the club!

Jearlpam0925

What a game today. What a day today. What a weekend. I don't have the strength right now to go back and read these pages - both here and the Birds thread - but lemme just say.....I love everyone. Even you. Yeah, you.

There's now a right-handed Chase Utley to compliment the left-handed Chase Utley. :thumbup:

Now back to the Ommegang and Miller Lite...

The Juggler

2 parades are on the horizon gentlemen...utah-make it 2....i can feel it in my bones! :thumbup:

Johnny Abruzzo

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

What a game today. What a day today. What a weekend. I don't have the strength right now to go back and read these pages - both here and the Birds thread - but lemme just say.....I love everyone. Even you. Yeah, you.

There's now a right-handed Chase Utley to compliment the left-handed Chase Utley. :thumbup:

Now back to the Ommegang and Miller Lite...

Love you too man.

The Fixer

some of these are pretty funny. and I don't know how the auther of this doesn't acknowledge the lee to seattle trade as a colossal failure.


It is certainly time appropriate to review the Phillies trades over the last several years, looking at how players progressed (or didn’t) since they were traded.

2007

Mike Costanzo, Michael Bourn, Geoff Geary for Brad Lidge and Eric Bruntlett. As a Phillies fan, they is simply no way that you can complain about this trade even with Lidge’s injury woes. Lidge’s 2008 was right up there with the top closer performances in history and the Phillies, very possibly, may not have won the Series without him. Bourn has grown up to be an All Star caliber CF and a game changer on the bases. Mike Costanzo, now 27, and a former 2nd round pick of the Phillies in 2005 is playing AAA ball in the Reds organization, and is suffering through many of the same problems he did with the Phillies organization. He does not project as a major league player and actually spent time in the Independent Atlantic League last season.
2008

Adrian Cardenas, Matt Spencer, and Josh Outman for Joe Blanton: Cardenas, 23, is playing with AAA Scaramento and is hitting .293/.368/.402 in 353 AB’s. He has 4 HR and 33 RBI’s to go along with 5 SB’s this season. Spencer, 25, an OF with playing for the AA Tennessee Smokies is at .260/.326/.462 with 13 HR and 60 RBI and was named a Southern League All Star this season. Outman, 26, has seen time during three seasons for the A’s and this season, Outman was 7-1 with a 3.49 ERA with AAA Sacramento, to go along with 3-3 with a 3.47 ERA in 8 starts for Oakland. Gotta give a slight edge to Oakland on this one, although Blanton did get the job done in 2008 when needed.

Brian Schlitter for Scott Eyre–Just a minor deal but the two plus solid years that Eyre gave the Phils, give them the advantage on this deal, as Schlitter while getting a cup of coffee in the majors, has been injury plagued.

2009

Greg Golson for John Mayberry–Golson has seen a bit of time with the Yankees in 2009, 2010 and this year but has seen far less major league time then Mayberry. Golson, 25, is currently at AAA Scranton hitting .280/.341/.411 with 6HR and 27 RBI to go along with 10 SB’s in 277 AB’s. As we know, Mayberry is playing semi regularly for the Phils and has stepped forward this season, cutting down his strikeouts to an extent where Mayberry will probably be an extra OF with the Phils for the forseeable future.

Jason Donald, Carlos Carrasco, Jason Knapp, and Lou Marson for Cliff Lee–Donald, 26, spent most of last season with the Indians, hitting .253/.312/.378 in 250 plus AB’s. THis season he has been stuck at AAA Columbus .310/.397/.448 with 4 HR and 15 RBI’s, after coming back from early season injuries. DOnald still projects as a major league super utility guy. Carrasco, still only 24, has become a mainstay in the Indians rotation, going 8-9 with a 4.67 ERA in 20 starts this season. Lou Marson, 25, has spent considerable time in the majors since the trade and is hitting .237/.287/.336 in 131 AB’s as the Indians back up catcher this year. Jason Knapp, 20, has thrown just 13 games over his 3 years in the Indians organization due to injury and has been out all season this season.

2010

Michael Taylor, Travis D’Arnaud, and Kyle Drabek for Roy Halladay–Taylor, 25, was flipped to the A’s organization by the BlueJays and has been stuck at AAA over the last two years, hitting .284/.367/.483 with 12 HR and 47 RBI’s this year for AAA Sacrament0. D’Arnaud, 22, a catcher, is playing for New Hampshire, Toronto’s AA affiliate this season and is raking it at .319/.389/.543 with 14 HR and 49 RBI’s in 304 AB’s. Drabek,23, was the centerpeice of the deal and made 3 starts for Toronto last year. He started this season in the BlueJays rotation and had a rough go of it, at 4-5 with a 5.70 ERA in 12 starts. Drabek has continued to struggle in 8 starts for AAA Las vegas going 2-2 with a 6.93 ERA. Clear win for the Phils. You can’t put a price tag on Halladay, even with the upside of this group.

Cliff Lee for Phillippe Aumont, Tyson Gillies, and JC Ramirez–This is tough to gauge as Lee is back with the Phils, but Gillies has been a total disappointment. Aumont has shown some promise as a reliever and Ramirez some promise in the AA rotation.

Anthony Gose, Jonathan Villar and JA Happ for Roy Oswalt–Gose, 20, was the Phils 2nd rd pick in 2008 and continues to show incredible speed while struggling at times at the plate. For AA New Hamshire, Gose is hitting .253/.349/.399 with 10 HR 46 RBI and 48 SB’s. His prospect status continues to grow. Gose was flipped to the Toronto organization. Villar, a 20 year old SS, is playing AA ball at Corpus Christi and is hitting .234/.299/.422 with 7 HR 19 RBI and 7 SB’s in 192 AB’s after getting called up from High A ball. Happ, 28, was the player fans were most concerned about losing after pitching well for the Phillies. Happ is 4-13 with a 6.01 ERA in 21 starts for Houston this year.

2011

Sergio Escalona for Albert Cartwright–Cartwright, a AA 2B has not played an inning in the Phils organization. Escalona, 26, has been a LOOGY in the Astros bullpen all year and pitched well going 2-1 with a 2.70 ERA in 37 games. With the problems the Phils have had finding a dependable 2nd lefty in the ‘pen, this is a loss, although a minor one for the Phils.

Jarred Cosart, Jonathan Singleton, Josh Zeid, and PTBNL for Hunter Pence– Two named rumored to be on “the list” are Lisaberto Bonilla and Lendy Castillo for PTBNL.

Johnny Abruzzo

Interesting list. Without Lidge in 2008 the Phils don't even make the playoffs, let alone win the Series. They might not have made the playoffs without Blanton as well.

The trading away of Lee was the only outrageously bad deal in that list. The fact that they later signed him has nothing to do with how horrible the trade was to start with.

As Fixer will happily point out, RAJ has signed some players to dubious contracts. (Baez, Blanton, 3rd year for Ibanez) But as for making trades he has been top notch.