I especially hate the ones that say it's a necessary step for pest control. If that's the case, go out in jeans and a t-shirt and shoot the fox in the head. Don't get all dressed up like a tit and torture the poor fucker for half an hour and then let your dogs rip it to pieces.
It's sick.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
I thought they outlawed the actual hunting part of it.
and that they chase a stuffed bunny or something like that
as long as there is no threat to the existence of any species, I have no problem with hunting
although I hate guns and would never do it personally.
some refuse to observe the ban.
you don't have a moral objection to the needless slaughter of animals?
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
you don't have a moral objection to the needless slaughter of animals?
I dont have a moral problem with hunting per se. If its done legally and ethically, and wildlife is properly managed. I dont consider that "slaughter."
In some places its even necessary. I have a bigger problem with guns, generally, than I do hunting.
HAHA! Now stop ruining my threads! I was ready to bash some heads together and now I'm just giggling. :mad: You did this to CornishMan's birthday thread. It ended up being about people that smell of various foods. hahaha
What are you trying to say?!? That I derail threads or something?!? Plus that cornisman thread could use a little upgrading!
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"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
I dont have a moral problem with hunting per se. If its done legally and ethically, and wildlife is properly managed. I dont consider that "slaughter."
In some places its even necessary. I have a bigger problem with guns, generally, than I do hunting.
Fox hunting is NOT ethical eradication of vermin with a gun. It's animals being ripped to pieces by a pack of dogs. For sport.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Fox hunting is NOT ethical eradication of vermin with a gun. It's animals being ripped to pieces by a pack of dogs. For sport.
It's almost as if Get_Right hasn't read any of your previous points... actually, scrap 'almost'.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
I have but dont characterize the activity as harshly. My views of animals is very different-obviously.
But Jeremy1012 outrightly stated (and he's right) that it's a fallacy to suggest that fox hunting is EVER 'necessary' for population control.. and it certainly is not legal or ethical..
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
Fox hunting is NOT ethical eradication of vermin with a gun. It's animals being ripped to pieces by a pack of dogs. For sport.
Who said anyting about vermin? Im talking bears, aligators, deer, boar, moose etc.....
I guess there are some ethical issues with the dogs (is it the dogs that kill the fox? If so I actually didnt know that), but its not that different from bird hunting where the dogs flush em out.
I have no problem with humans shooting animals, as long as the existence of that species is not in question or threatened. But its not my thing as I hate guns. And I dont approve of lures or other enticing ways to get the game to come to you.
I thought they had eliminated the fox hunts so that they are really just a display of fancy hunting coats and hats! A bunch of aristocrats riding horses through the country-who the heck cares? Bigger problem is the poachers killing the congo gorillas.
Who said anyting about vermin? Im talking bears, aligators, deer, boar, moose etc.....
I guess there are some ethical issues with the dogs (is it the dogs that kill the fox? If so I actually didnt know that), but its not that different from bird hunting where the dogs flush em out.
Yes, and this is plainly wrong too. Neither should birds be tortured for sport.
I thought they had eliminated the fox hunts so that they are really just a display of fancy hunting coats and hats! A bunch of aristocrats riding horses through the country-who the heck cares? Bigger problem is the poachers killing the congo gorillas.
Firstly, the point is, it doesn't matter what new laws are passed - it's still happening. People are ignoring the laws.
Secondly, what, so there's a hierarchy of importance when it comes to this stuff? Congo Gorillas are great... who cares about foxes?
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
I have but dont characterize the activity as harshly. My views of animals is very different-obviously.
Obviously, and that's your prerogative. It worries me that this kind of apathy from some just perpetuates the activity though. The mindset behind killing things, whether those things are 'useful' and 'intelligent' or not, for entertainment is one that should be discouraged by all. I just think it's sheer arrogance to think that an animal is less deserving of the sanctity that humans seem to afford to their own lives. I'm sure foxes don't rate us too highly either.
And as long as there are those advocating sport-orientated death by dog pack for nuisances, I will be advocating the same for those that do it :cool: After all, if we're allowed to decide how valuable a life is, just because we're "civilised" then I'm taking it upon myself to assign values to humans too. Needless to say, inbred twats in red jackets and stupid hats are fairly low on my list.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Secondly, what, so there's a hierarchy of importance when it comes to this stuff? Congo Gorillas are great... who cares about foxes?
I too am puzzled by that. It's exactly what I mean in my last post. When did we get the right to decide how important something is? Don't get me wrong, I will be less concerned about a dead fox than a dead person. Doesn't mean I think that ripping a fox to pieces to make me feel like a man is justified.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Obviously, and that's your prerogative. It worries me that this kind of apathy from some just perpetuates the activity though. The mindset behind killing things, whether those things are 'useful' and 'intelligent' or not, for entertainment is one that should be discouraged by all. I just think it's sheer arrogance to think that an animal is less deserving of the sanctity that humans seem to afford to their own lives. I'm sure foxes don't rate us too highly either.
And as long as there are those advocating sport-orientated death by dog pack for nuisances, I will be advocating the same for those that do it :cool: After all, if we're allowed to decide how valuable a life is, just because we're "civilised" then I'm taking it upon myself to assign values to humans too. Needless to say, inbred twats in red jackets and stupid hats are fairly low on my list.
I think we should organise a cull.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
But Jeremy1012 outrightly stated (and he's right) that it's a fallacy to suggest that fox hunting is EVER 'necessary' for population control.. and it certainly is not legal or ethical..
my statement was much more general and not necessarily directed at fox hunting
my statement was much more general and not necessarily directed at fox hunting
Well the thread is specifically about fox hunting, hence the crossed wires
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
my statement was much more general and not necessarily directed at fox hunting
Fair enough statement... whilst I don't agree, general or not, thanks for qualifying.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
The mindset behind killing things, whether those things are 'useful' and 'intelligent' or not, for entertainment is one that should be discouraged by all.
never gone fishing? never poured salt on a slug?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
Went fishing once but I was about 10 so I am allowed to have changed my opinions plus, I only used a net and put the fish back in the water.
And as for the slug thing, no. Seen it done though.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Went fishing once but I was about 10 so I am allowed to have changed my opinions plus, I only used a net and put the fish back in the water.
And as for the slug thing, no. Seen it done though.
ok thanks
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
True. I just wanted to act smug because I don't kill shit.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
True. I just wanted to act smug because I don't kill shit.
Everything about that sentence is excellent
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
True. I just wanted to act smug because I don't kill shit.
you kill threads
not even a wasp? i hate wasps.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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I especially hate the ones that say it's a necessary step for pest control. If that's the case, go out in jeans and a t-shirt and shoot the fox in the head. Don't get all dressed up like a tit and torture the poor fucker for half an hour and then let your dogs rip it to pieces.
It's sick.
thats funny cause I always mistake Dick Chenny for as a big dumb fatass
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and that they chase a stuffed bunny or something like that
as long as there is no threat to the existence of any species, I have no problem with hunting
although I hate guns and would never do it personally.
you don't have a moral objection to the needless slaughter of animals?
The thing that bothers me though is that it's not quick. I get really upset when I think of the fear the poor foxes must feel. And it never ends well.
Eyedclaar-Thanks, what a great post, tish-I meant to put a wink after that comment
I dont have a moral problem with hunting per se. If its done legally and ethically, and wildlife is properly managed. I dont consider that "slaughter."
In some places its even necessary. I have a bigger problem with guns, generally, than I do hunting.
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
It's almost as if Get_Right hasn't read any of your previous points... actually, scrap 'almost'.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
I have but dont characterize the activity as harshly. My views of animals is very different-obviously.
But Jeremy1012 outrightly stated (and he's right) that it's a fallacy to suggest that fox hunting is EVER 'necessary' for population control.. and it certainly is not legal or ethical..
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
Who said anyting about vermin? Im talking bears, aligators, deer, boar, moose etc.....
I guess there are some ethical issues with the dogs (is it the dogs that kill the fox? If so I actually didnt know that), but its not that different from bird hunting where the dogs flush em out.
I have no problem with humans shooting animals, as long as the existence of that species is not in question or threatened. But its not my thing as I hate guns. And I dont approve of lures or other enticing ways to get the game to come to you.
I thought they had eliminated the fox hunts so that they are really just a display of fancy hunting coats and hats! A bunch of aristocrats riding horses through the country-who the heck cares? Bigger problem is the poachers killing the congo gorillas.
Yes, and this is plainly wrong too. Neither should birds be tortured for sport.
Firstly, the point is, it doesn't matter what new laws are passed - it's still happening. People are ignoring the laws.
Secondly, what, so there's a hierarchy of importance when it comes to this stuff? Congo Gorillas are great... who cares about foxes?
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
And as long as there are those advocating sport-orientated death by dog pack for nuisances, I will be advocating the same for those that do it :cool: After all, if we're allowed to decide how valuable a life is, just because we're "civilised" then I'm taking it upon myself to assign values to humans too. Needless to say, inbred twats in red jackets and stupid hats are fairly low on my list.
I think we should organise a cull.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
my statement was much more general and not necessarily directed at fox hunting
Fair enough statement... whilst I don't agree, general or not, thanks for qualifying.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
never gone fishing? never poured salt on a slug?
Nope.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
And as for the slug thing, no. Seen it done though.
didnt ask you
ok thanks
True. I just wanted to act smug because I don't kill shit.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
you kill threads
not even a wasp? i hate wasps.