Ireland is notorious for being huge supporters of the evil monstrosity that is the Catholic "church." You can't get much more demonic than supporting an institution that damns souls to Hell on a daily basis.
Um... I'm not Catholic... but does that sound a mite hypocritical to anyone else?:p
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Everyone is hypocritical. The bible is just a book, trust me. I had to read it for the first SEVENTEEN years of my life, it's just a damn book of weird lies, rape, talking donkeys, magic tricks and about some old guy building an arc and putting all kinds of animals together without any fighting or death!! Religion is the reason for why the world sucks...
It doesn't matter how long you read the bible for, some people believe in it and it gives them hope. That's the important thing. Even the Phelps should be able to express their opinion whether it's liked or not. I just find it disgraceful that some people (not you) have said they'd like to see the family beaten up. This family are very insensitive but THEY believe they're doing the right thing and they've never physically hurt anyone themselves.
It doesn't matter how long you read the bible for, some people believe in it and it gives them hope. That's the important thing. Even the Phelps should be able to express their opinion whether it's liked or not. I just find it disgraceful that some people (not you) have said they'd like to see the family beaten up. This family are very insensitive but THEY believe they're doing the right thing and they've never physically hurt anyone themselves.
and yes, to the above question.
I do understand what you're saying, but picketing somebody's funeral goes beyond what society deems acceptable. I have no issue if they want to have protests in town centres or whatever, they're entitled to their opinions. BUT verbally bashing a dead relative during such a traumatic and painful experience as a funeral, is a step beyond decency. If you don't draw a line somewhere, would it be acceptable for them to go and take a shit on a dead soldier's grave? In all honesty I don't see what they are doing to be much different.
I really wonder what they hope to achieve by jumping on all these events? To me they come across as self-righteous, hate-preaching fucks. Their opinion means nothing to most people, because it's delivered in such an offensive way. And as someone else quite rightly pointed out, if they really are going to heaven, who the fuck would want to join them there?!
I meant it is just sad that those morons are going to protest at a funeral for a young actor! Must have nothing better to do with their time..or maybe they think it will give them points with that magical wizard in the sky..hehehehe
And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
I meant it is just sad that those morons are going to protest at a funeral for a young actor! Must have nothing better to do with their time..or maybe they think it will give them points with that magical wizard in the sky..hehehehe
i know exactly what ya meant....
i was just being my normal silly self.......
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I do understand what you're saying, but picketing somebody's funeral goes beyond what society deems acceptable. I have no issue if they want to have protests in town centres or whatever, they're entitled to their opinions. BUT verbally bashing a dead relative during such a traumatic and painful experience as a funeral, is a step beyond decency. If you don't draw a line somewhere, would it be acceptable for them to go and take a shit on a dead soldier's grave? In all honesty I don't see what they are doing to be much different.
I really wonder what they hope to achieve by jumping on all these events? To me they come across as self-righteous, hate-preaching fucks. Their opinion means nothing to most people, because it's delivered in such an offensive way. And as someone else quite rightly pointed out, if they really are going to heaven, who the fuck would want to join them there?!
The point is they don't care if they're liked or not. They seem to think they're doing God's work - for the good of mankind. We don't think so. But if people find this indecent, there should be some law against picketing (because that's what really upset people). Some form of legal action should be taken and not just sueing them in the hope they can't fund there church because that's almost like bullying to me.
I don't want this to come out the wrong way because I think they're being very cruel but the point is, I don't think they're deliberately trying to do harm to anyone - they're just insane. Possibly brainwashed by the father/grandfather, (whoever he is) as with all extremists.
I've posted this link before but either people have seen it too often or they haven't bothered to watch it. I think Louis Theroux sums it up nicely.
I've posted this link before but either people have seen it too often or they haven't bothered to watch it. I think Louis Theroux sums it up nicely.
Louis = God imo.
And Louis doesn't hate fags.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
He's lovely. Intelligent and accepting or willing to learn and listen to everyone.
I love his example of something he hates he clearly can't bring himself to bring up something that actually inspires wrath from him so he comes up with eating on the phone :rolleyes: He's a nice guy. I'm amazed he wasn't more upset by the Phelps family.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
when will people get their heads out of their asses and starting worrying and caring about bigger issues in the world? To sum up what Lewis Black said, "We have an educational system thats in the shitter, a war going on, one thing after another. And what did our President think was important??? Queers!!!
This is just one of the MANY reasons why I don't even bother with religion. It is a total scam and just creates more problems than it solves...
when will people get their heads out of their asses and starting worrying and caring about bigger issues in the world? To sum up what Lewis Black said, "We have an educational system thats in the shitter, a war going on, one thing after another. And what did our President think was important??? Queers!!!
This is just one of the MANY reasons why I don't even bother with religion. It is a total scam and just creates more problems than it solves...
Totally true...!!!
And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
when will people get their heads out of their asses and starting worrying and caring about bigger issues in the world? To sum up what Lewis Black said, "We have an educational system thats in the shitter, a war going on, one thing after another. And what did our President think was important??? Queers!!!
This is just one of the MANY reasons why I don't even bother with religion. It is a total scam and just creates more problems than it solves...
Religion causes more problems than it solves because generally, people are idiots. Surely, any sane, intelligent person would see it's supposed to be a force of good. I'm not personally talking about the bible but meaning it in a spiritual sense.
Where is people's compassion here? Sorry but religion IS a big issue in the world. Religion and poitics have an overall effect on our lives. Can you imagine what the planet would be like if there were no government or religious belief?
Anyway, I'm going off subject a bit...
Can you imagine what the planet would be like if there were no government or religious belief?
Everyone would have a clean slate and it would be free of bigots and 99% of insane people.
Where do I sign up?
sorry but organised religion is the most corrupting influence in the world today. I am all for spirituality. I consider myself very spiritual. I don't see why the fuck religion has to come into that.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
The callousness of some people is appalling. No, disgusting. The saddest part is how disillusioned some people can get. I just hope they wake up and smell reality soon. Very sad.
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Religion causes more problems than it solves because generally, people are idiots. Surely, any sane, intelligent person would see it's supposed to be a force of good. I'm not personally talking about the bible but meaning it in a spiritual sense.
Where is people's compassion here? Sorry but religion IS a big issue in the world. Religion and poitics have an overall effect on our lives. Can you imagine what the planet would be like if there were no government or religious belief?
Anyway, I'm going off subject a bit...
It's a big issue BECAUSE WE HAVE MADE IT THAT WAY!!! I definitely feel that our world would be a lot better WITHOUT religion. As for government, I do agree. It is an institution that is a neccesity (sp??) to have order.
Everyone would have a clean slate and it would be free of bigots and 99% of insane people.
And if you really believe that...
The only thing organised religion offers in terms of benefits over personal, internalised spirituality is a support group. Practitioners of faiths like Taoism are as happy, moral and positive as christians. What you don't get are the negative aspects.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
It's a big issue BECAUSE WE MAKE IT THAT WAY. I definitely feel that our world would be a lot better WITHOUT religion. As for government, I do agree. It is an institution that is a neccesity (sp??) to have order.
Okay. Like Jamie, I'm quite spiritual, not so much religious, the TEACHINGS of the bible don't mean much to me but the thought of religion does. I truly don't believe it's a bad thing and was never intended to be. :( This makes me so sad. What a sad world we're living in. For all the liberal way of thinking that's becoming popular, there will be a HUGE backlash. (People like the Phelps) and I'm sure there will be more of a majority of people thinking like them in the future. :(
When you look at any trend in life, it always comes back to bite you in the ass. (Does that make sense)?
what the hell are they protesting anyway? I don't really get their point. He played in Brokeback 3 years ago. What does that have anything to do with his death?
The only thing organised religion offers in terms of benefits over personal, internalised spirituality is a support group. Practioners of faiths like Taoism are as happy, moral and positive as christians. What you don't get are the negative aspects.
Could you explain that for someone like me, please?
what the hell are they protesting anyway? I don't really get their point. He played in Brokeback 3 years ago. What does that have anything to do with his death?
I KNOW! He's not even gay! He has a kid! ...I guess they think he's an icon for gays?
I KNOW! He's not even gay! He has a kid! ...I guess they think he's an icon for gays?
True but even if he was gay, let's say.... what are they protesting?? "Heath you are not allowed to die a gay man or having played a gay man." I mean, seriously, these people are nuts and haters, which should be the exact opposite of what "Jesus" taught, right? I thought he loved everybody. I'm curious to hear what they are saying exactly and what their ordeal is.
True but even if he was gay, let's say.... what are they protesting?? "Heath you are not allowed to die a gay man or having played a gay man." I mean, seriously, these people are nuts and haters, which should be the exact opposite of what "Jesus" taught, right? I thought he loved everybody. I'm curious to hear what they are saying exactly and what their ordeal is.
Heh. I never read the thing... too long of a read. I didn't realize there was a part in there where one is supposed to protest at gay people's funerals. ;-)
Could you explain that for someone like me, please?
Ok. I'm assuming, since you said you aren't particularly religious and see how it is a corrupting influence in the world at the moment, that the reason why you support it as a concept is because of the apparent benefits to the people that follow religions/the world in general because of those people following it.
What I am saying is, there are faiths which do not involve churches, do not involve blindly following a book which was written by MEN a mere 2000 years ago (which in the grand scheme of things might as well have been 2 breaths ago) and most certainly don't involve picketing funerals when people allegedly flout the teachings of those faiths. What I want to know is, what does organised religion have to offer the world that cannot be attained without it? And don't tell me "heaven" because I don't want to hear it I want to know what possible earthly gain there is to be had from organised religion.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Toucher and Rich on WBCN in Boston interviewed the lady from the church today, probably one of the funniest radio interviews ever. they pretended to be from a religious radio station, its kind of long but well worth listening to.
HAHAH! That's so funny yet so irritating. I understand the families frustration sometimes. The presenters should go back to school. (Still funny though, in a way).
'chokehold' yes! (I can't believe I'm quoting her).
Ok. I'm assuming, since you said you aren't particularly religious and see how it is a corrupting influence in the world at the moment, that the reason why you support it as a concept is because of the apparent benefits to the people that follow religions/the world in general because of those people following it.
What I am saying is, there are faiths which do not involve churches, do not involve blindly following a book which was written by MEN a mere 2000 years ago (which in the grand scheme of things might as well have been 2 breaths ago) and most certainly don't involve picketing funerals when people allegedly flout the teachings of those faiths. What I want to know is, what does organised religion have to offer the world that cannot be attained without it? And don't tell me "heaven" because I don't want to hear it I want to know what possible earthly gain there is to be had from organised religion.
I'm not talking about BLINDLY following a book. If you open your heart, you will feel that everyone has a soul. Everyone. It has nothing to do with heaven and hell IMO.
Back on topic, and I said it earlier, not many people agree with the Phelps but it doesn't make them wrong. Life is very complex. Who is to say what's right and what's wrong? They've just taken it too far in our society.
Answer to your last question IMO, is that religion and a soul should be a beautiful thing. It's something you feel but can't explain. :( It should bring out the best in people. (Just for the record, I believe MAN created GOD) ... and rightly so!
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Um... I'm not Catholic... but does that sound a mite hypocritical to anyone else?:p
It doesn't matter how long you read the bible for, some people believe in it and it gives them hope. That's the important thing. Even the Phelps should be able to express their opinion whether it's liked or not. I just find it disgraceful that some people (not you) have said they'd like to see the family beaten up. This family are very insensitive but THEY believe they're doing the right thing and they've never physically hurt anyone themselves.
and yes, to the above question.
I do understand what you're saying, but picketing somebody's funeral goes beyond what society deems acceptable. I have no issue if they want to have protests in town centres or whatever, they're entitled to their opinions. BUT verbally bashing a dead relative during such a traumatic and painful experience as a funeral, is a step beyond decency. If you don't draw a line somewhere, would it be acceptable for them to go and take a shit on a dead soldier's grave? In all honesty I don't see what they are doing to be much different.
I really wonder what they hope to achieve by jumping on all these events? To me they come across as self-righteous, hate-preaching fucks. Their opinion means nothing to most people, because it's delivered in such an offensive way. And as someone else quite rightly pointed out, if they really are going to heaven, who the fuck would want to join them there?!
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
actually....
im happier than a pig in shit!!!!!!
hello sunshine.........
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Hello Speedy...
I meant it is just sad that those morons are going to protest at a funeral for a young actor! Must have nothing better to do with their time..or maybe they think it will give them points with that magical wizard in the sky..hehehehe
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
i was just being my normal silly self.......
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
The point is they don't care if they're liked or not. They seem to think they're doing God's work - for the good of mankind. We don't think so. But if people find this indecent, there should be some law against picketing (because that's what really upset people). Some form of legal action should be taken and not just sueing them in the hope they can't fund there church because that's almost like bullying to me.
I don't want this to come out the wrong way because I think they're being very cruel but the point is, I don't think they're deliberately trying to do harm to anyone - they're just insane.
I've posted this link before but either people have seen it too often or they haven't bothered to watch it. I think Louis Theroux sums it up nicely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O228AQRvcqQ
I just think if people aren't willing to listen or even try and understand someone, there will never be peace on earth.
And Louis doesn't hate fags.
I thought maybe you were being silly...:)
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
He's lovely. Intelligent and accepting or willing to learn and listen to everyone.
This is just one of the MANY reasons why I don't even bother with religion. It is a total scam and just creates more problems than it solves...
Totally true...!!!
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
Religion causes more problems than it solves because generally, people are idiots. Surely, any sane, intelligent person would see it's supposed to be a force of good. I'm not personally talking about the bible but meaning it in a spiritual sense.
Where is people's compassion here? Sorry but religion IS a big issue in the world. Religion and poitics have an overall effect on our lives. Can you imagine what the planet would be like if there were no government or religious belief?
Anyway, I'm going off subject a bit...
Where do I sign up?
sorry but organised religion is the most corrupting influence in the world today. I am all for spirituality. I consider myself very spiritual. I don't see why the fuck religion has to come into that.
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Okay. Like Jamie, I'm quite spiritual, not so much religious, the TEACHINGS of the bible don't mean much to me but the thought of religion does. I truly don't believe it's a bad thing and was never intended to be. :( This makes me so sad. What a sad world we're living in. For all the liberal way of thinking that's becoming popular, there will be a HUGE backlash. (People like the Phelps) and I'm sure there will be more of a majority of people thinking like them in the future. :(
When you look at any trend in life, it always comes back to bite you in the ass. (Does that make sense)?
Could you explain that for someone like me, please?
I KNOW! He's not even gay! He has a kid! ...I guess they think he's an icon for gays?
True but even if he was gay, let's say.... what are they protesting?? "Heath you are not allowed to die a gay man or having played a gay man." I mean, seriously, these people are nuts and haters, which should be the exact opposite of what "Jesus" taught, right? I thought he loved everybody. I'm curious to hear what they are saying exactly and what their ordeal is.
They're following the bible! Duh!
Heh. I never read the thing... too long of a read. I didn't realize there was a part in there where one is supposed to protest at gay people's funerals. ;-)
What I am saying is, there are faiths which do not involve churches, do not involve blindly following a book which was written by MEN a mere 2000 years ago (which in the grand scheme of things might as well have been 2 breaths ago) and most certainly don't involve picketing funerals when people allegedly flout the teachings of those faiths. What I want to know is, what does organised religion have to offer the world that cannot be attained without it? And don't tell me "heaven" because I don't want to hear it
HAHAH! That's so funny yet so irritating. I understand the families frustration sometimes. The presenters should go back to school. (Still funny though, in a way).
'chokehold' yes! (I can't believe I'm quoting her).
I'm not talking about BLINDLY following a book. If you open your heart, you will feel that everyone has a soul. Everyone. It has nothing to do with heaven and hell IMO.
Back on topic, and I said it earlier, not many people agree with the Phelps but it doesn't make them wrong. Life is very complex. Who is to say what's right and what's wrong? They've just taken it too far in our society.
Answer to your last question IMO, is that religion and a soul should be a beautiful thing. It's something you feel but can't explain. :(
I think we're having two different conversations!