I do tend to get sucked into theology debates because I am passionate about the subject. But I try to refrain as my views occasionally upset the more sensitive believers.
Back to what we were saying... I doubt a very religious person would sing "Here's To The State...", even though it only directly targets fundamental Christianity.
"And here's to the churches of Jerry Falwell
Oh the cross was made of silver, but now it’s turned to rust
And the Sunday morning services preaching fear of men in love
And God only knows in Heaven they must trust
Here's to the land you tore out the heart of
Jerry Falwell find yourself another country to be part of."
You might be right. Maybe Ed is very religious. But I don't personally think he is. Whenever he refers to a God, I think he's referencing his own love of nature/spiritualism... not a belief in any of the major religions.
Either way, I respect that he keeps it private and it wouldn't affect my affection for him and his music (unless, of course, he touted creationism).
you have to remember...ed, or anybody else for that matter, can very well believe in God and not be religious. religious is only being spiritual or believing is something in an organized way.
I was at Ed's LA1 show and what he said was only making fun of the music involved in those messages and not really the messages themselves. I would have to think that Ed is indeed a Christian and not an atheist just by looking at all of his lyrics. What proof is there out there that Ed is anti-religious? I was born, baptized and raised a Catholic, fell out during college and a long time afterwards but have recently come back into it. I'm even receiving the sacrament of Confirmation as a 33 year old next month.
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I dont agree that Ed is a Christian. Imo he is an agnostic, and doesn't know what to believe, rather than anywhere near a Christian or atheist.
Eddies views on Jesus matter to me about as much as Jesus's views on Eddie.
I love Jesus - Hopefully Eddie will too someday
not to be a complete smartass.. but if you are Christian, I would think you would be very interested in Jesus's thoughts on Eddie... and if I know anything about Eddie (or Jesus)... I would think Jesus would have plenty of good things to say.
I am Catholic and a huge PJ fan. Haven't had any problems with being both of these for years now...
How about supporting an artist who contributes to pro-choice charities/organizations?... does this cause any type of conflict?.... shouldn't it? I was raised Catholic... and I still consider myself pro-life... I am a fanatical Pearl Jam fan.. but this question used to bother me... just curious to know how others deal with the problem.
As I write this, a possible answer is occurring to me... I have always thought about it as a problem to give money to an artist who publicly supports/contributes to a cause that you deeply disagree with... but I guess if you just consider yourself to be supporting the artist and their music... then it is their choice to do with your money what they will. As if to say... I understand that you may decide to use a portion of this in support of a cause I disagree with, but you have earned my money with your art (which is unrelated to the cause).
I'm a practicing Catholic. What Eddie says doesn't bother me. A lot of people who hate on religion, Christianity, and Catholicism in general have credbile reasons for doing so. So many of our fellow "Christians" or "Catholics" love shoving their beliefs down other people's throats, and barely practice what they preach. They really kill it for the rest of us.
reading through all the pages of this thread, wow, there are so many Catholics that have not been to mass in many many years. this weekend would be a great time for these people to get back into their parish again. there is truly something special that goes on during mass, hearing scripture, hearing how to live it during the homily, and most important, receiving the body of Christ
I was at Ed's LA1 show and what he said was only making fun of the music involved in those messages and not really the messages themselves. I would have to think that Ed is indeed a Christian and not an atheist just by looking at all of his lyrics.
This is a perfect example of why it's all too often impossible to have an intelligent and reasonable debate with a Christian... the conscious willingness to ignore all reality that doesn't jive with their pre-conceived beliefs in order to pretend that everyone else is - deep down - just like them. Even when all evidence is to the contrary.
Ed's no messiah andI dont take my religious cues from him. The Catholic church and I parted ways long before I became a huge PJ fan. But to say he's a Christian is just ridiculous.
Eddies views on Jesus matter to me about as much as Jesus's views on Eddie.
I love Jesus - Hopefully Eddie will too someday
What did Eddie say against Jesus or religion, I must have missed that. I thought Given To Fly was about Jesus, and that didnt sound like an insult.
Ha! Well I thought the same about Given to fly, but people here explained me it wasn't actually.
Anyway - I raised as catholic, but I'm not sure I am now. I believe in God in my own way, and sometimes believe to much what Eddie says (or we just have the same view), so... because He is not "f****ng Messiah" i try to remember that.
I think Ed just like many of us don't believe in church.The organization I mean. And I think He believes in God (if He didn't He would not talk about religion), but He is "in conflict with God". Only my suspicions - but He behaves the same as I, and I feel exactly the way.
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I think Ed has a pretty good grasp on what going on...
He always making reference to a "higher being" weather through lyrics or in actual motion or even speaking about the Environment and what surrounds us. Not being into a organized religion isn't a bad thing as long as your respect the ones who are..and If you have seen Pearl Jam: Imagine in Cornice - Live in Italy 2006 as most have he shows his respect for the church and for a country that is built around the Vatican..
Funny.....weren't you the one looking for illegal Ed boots?
THOU SHALL NOT STEAL!!!!
I was raised Catholic but don't really think I ever "felt" it. Still take my mom every Sun but don't receive Communion since have not been to confession in FOREVER!
So I'll just lie down and wait for the dream Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me
While I don't begrudge anyone in the band their views on religion, I am a Catholic and still love the music. I actually don't care what Ed says.
Exactly. I'm catholic, but I could give a fuck what their religious views are. All i know is that PJ is the best band on the planet and I can't get enough of them.
I'm Catholic, still a practicing Catholic(though I haven't been to mass in a couple of months). I don't intertwine the music with my beliefs, It does sound like Ed has a lot of questions about religion in his songs, and that's o.k. It's o.k. to ask questions. right?
i was a catholic, mainly cause im from ireland so i didnt get much choice now i dont believe in any relegion, but what did eddie have against religion??
I'm no more a catholic, but Eddie's words have nothing to do with this conclusion of my mind. It's been simply a research of truth i started some year ago that leaded me to the conclusion that the religion (all the religions) are human handmade, to not confuse with the existence of god. I don't wanna bore you so i end it here i have to say only that everyone have to research the truth and expecially that have to use his own mind.
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you have to remember...ed, or anybody else for that matter, can very well believe in God and not be religious. religious is only being spiritual or believing is something in an organized way.
the pope thanks sirius 4 assisting
see his holiness speaks to american catholics on the catholic channel
http://www.sirius.com/thecatholicchannel
I dont agree that Ed is a Christian. Imo he is an agnostic, and doesn't know what to believe, rather than anywhere near a Christian or atheist.
I am catholic and don't have a big issue with eddie or his comments.
Lots of bad things have been done in the name of religion... any/all religions for the most part.
It is healthy to question things, sometimes everything. Just my thoughts...
not to be a complete smartass.. but if you are Christian, I would think you would be very interested in Jesus's thoughts on Eddie... and if I know anything about Eddie (or Jesus)... I would think Jesus would have plenty of good things to say.
How about supporting an artist who contributes to pro-choice charities/organizations?... does this cause any type of conflict?.... shouldn't it? I was raised Catholic... and I still consider myself pro-life... I am a fanatical Pearl Jam fan.. but this question used to bother me... just curious to know how others deal with the problem.
As I write this, a possible answer is occurring to me... I have always thought about it as a problem to give money to an artist who publicly supports/contributes to a cause that you deeply disagree with... but I guess if you just consider yourself to be supporting the artist and their music... then it is their choice to do with your money what they will. As if to say... I understand that you may decide to use a portion of this in support of a cause I disagree with, but you have earned my money with your art (which is unrelated to the cause).
Just trying to think this through I guess.
Anyway, love thy neighbor!
This is a perfect example of why it's all too often impossible to have an intelligent and reasonable debate with a Christian... the conscious willingness to ignore all reality that doesn't jive with their pre-conceived beliefs in order to pretend that everyone else is - deep down - just like them. Even when all evidence is to the contrary.
Ed's no messiah andI dont take my religious cues from him. The Catholic church and I parted ways long before I became a huge PJ fan. But to say he's a Christian is just ridiculous.
why does eddie's opinion matter that much to you? that would be my question!
does my opinion matter as much as ed's??
is mike&jeff's opinions combined more important that just eddie's alone?
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Anyway - I raised as catholic, but I'm not sure I am now. I believe in God in my own way, and sometimes believe to much what Eddie says (or we just have the same view), so... because He is not "f****ng Messiah" i try to remember that.
I think Ed just like many of us don't believe in church.The organization I mean. And I think He believes in God (if He didn't He would not talk about religion), but He is "in conflict with God". Only my suspicions - but He behaves the same as I, and I feel exactly the way.
halszka123@op.pl
I think Ed has a pretty good grasp on what going on...
He always making reference to a "higher being" weather through lyrics or in actual motion or even speaking about the Environment and what surrounds us. Not being into a organized religion isn't a bad thing as long as your respect the ones who are..and If you have seen Pearl Jam: Imagine in Cornice - Live in Italy 2006 as most have he shows his respect for the church and for a country that is built around the Vatican..
Power to the People..
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THOU SHALL NOT STEAL!!!!
I was raised Catholic but don't really think I ever "felt" it. Still take my mom every Sun but don't receive Communion since have not been to confession in FOREVER!
Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me
i was baptized, orthodox style. and i do not believe in the crocoduck! :shock:
I did start a thread about the pope coming to the Chicago shows. hehe
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
It said "Life is nothing but a dream."
I've spent so many years in question
To find I'd known this all along.
Exactly. I'm catholic, but I could give a fuck what their religious views are. All i know is that PJ is the best band on the planet and I can't get enough of them.
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