Was born and raised Irish Catholic. But I know longer practice Catholicism. I find MY personal "god" in Nature. And -in order to best avoid arguements - I try my best to never discuss politics nor religion with others. (It only leads to places I don't want to go). I strongly believe ....to each his own. However - "Peace be with you......"
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I think you meant to say "he is actually way off base on many of his views WHEN COMPARED TO MINE."
Excellent Point! No one could have said this any better!
And I meant to add to my last response - what I personally think of EV's views about religion....I respect EVERYONE'S viewpoint - including his - and would hope that others will respect mine.
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Because, believe it or not... not every parent feels the same way you do... there are parents who would take offense to their kids leaving religions... believe me I know a few (not mine).
If you grow up learning the differences between your religion and others and you choose to stay in that religion and be a part of it, fine... but my beef is with people who raise their kids under any religion and don't teach them the fundamental aspects of the religion, heck I went to Sunday school and learned nothing about that kind of stuff... it was all just assumed and we all know what happened when you assume eh?
i whole-heartedly agree with you. if you wanna bring your kid up in a religion, the least you have to do is explain it to them.
I'm a Pearl Jam fan. I am a Catholic. Eddie's views do not affect me.
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I'm Catholic and nothing Eddie says bothers me. He is free to think whatever he likes.
Also, I don't know any Catholics that believe the pope is God on Earth.
According to the Catholic Encyclopedia:
"The title pope, once used with far greater latitude, is at present employed solely to denote the Bishop of Rome, who, in virtue of his position as successor of St. Peter, is the chief pastor of the whole Church, the Vicar of Christ upon earth."
I think a lot of confusion comes from that last part, "Vicar of Christ upon earth." and with good reason. But the title Vicar of Christ actually means: A title of the pope implying his supreme and universal primacy, both of honour and of jurisdiction, over the Church of Christ.
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Given the Pope visiting the U.S.....any pearl jam fans that are catholics? If so, how does some of Eddie's anti-religion views affect you?
What are we talking about here? We need to have some references, maybe quotes by Eddie, otherwise I dont see Pearl Jam being anti-religion at all and am interested in hearing why you think otherwise?
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my brother became a catholic to get married to a catholic so they could raise their kids and send them to a catholic school. i sat during their wedding and listened to what the priest said about man being the head of the household etc etc and all i could think of was how wrong catholics are, about a lot of things. they're just not very today.
all IMHO
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Thats a very interesting statement. I'm not Cathlolic. But as far as religions go, they are very much "today". They continuously change their positions on matter in order to maintain members. IMO, a religion, who follows the Bible, should not change its views to things that disagree with the Bible just so they don't offend their members.
The world is going down the toilet. Why should a religio, of all things, follow that trend? PEOPLE should be modifying their lives to fit their religion. Not the other way around. I'm pretty sure God didn't say "ok...heres the rules written down for you...feel free to make up your own as you go. I don't want to offend anyone who wants to do things I don't approve of."
What are we talking about here? We need to have some references, maybe quotes by Eddie, otherwise I dont see Pearl Jam being anti-religion at all and am interested in hearing why you think otherwise?
I was wondering this as well. How does anyone here know what Ed's religious views are? Especially since getting married and becoming a father? (2 VERY big life-changes.)
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Like most, i don't agree with the church all of the time. I don't believe Ed is anti-religion either. He can say whatever he wants. Its free will baby!
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Im catholic , eds rants dont bother me, what bothers me is the people in here that use it to sound high and mighty like we are stupid.
I'm Catholic. I like rants. I go on many of my own.
Opposing views make my beliefs stronger.
It only bothers me when people who claim to be open-minded assume that people are stupid to subscribe to organized religion. How can you claim to be open-minded if you degrade those "stupid enough" to disagree with you? ...but I digress.
Thats a very interesting statement. I'm not Cathlolic. But as far as religions go, they are very much "today". They continuously change their positions on matter in order to maintain members. IMO, a religion, who follows the Bible, should not change its views to things that disagree with the Bible just so they don't offend their members.
The world is going down the toilet. Why should a religio, of all things, follow that trend? PEOPLE should be modifying their lives to fit their religion. Not the other way around. I'm pretty sure God didn't say "ok...heres the rules written down for you...feel free to make up your own as you go. I don't want to offend anyone who wants to do things I don't approve of."
you make me laugh...and if you think i'm going to discuss religion with you then you are kidding yourself!
i look forward to the day when pete t's vision is proved right.
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I'm not going to say anything about religion. I said enough in the other thread ("Ed On Religion") and anyone who reads it will know my atheist views (and probably hate them).
All I want to say here is that Ed appearing on Bill Maher would kick ass. I don't agree with Bill when he gets all psycho about food, but his politics and anti-religion views are excellent. I would love to see Ed converse with Bill.
BTW, if you don't know it yet Ed is endorsing Barack Obama. That's fact.
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I was at Ed's LA1 show and what he said was only making fun of the music involved in those messages and not really the messages themselves. I would have to think that Ed is indeed a Christian and not an atheist just by looking at all of his lyrics. What proof is there out there that Ed is anti-religious? I was born, baptized and raised a Catholic, fell out during college and a long time afterwards but have recently come back into it. I'm even receiving the sacrament of Confirmation as a 33 year old next month.
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I was at Ed's LA1 show and what he said was only making fun of the music involved in those messages and not really the messages themselves. I would have to think that Ed is indeed a Christian and not an atheist just by looking at all of his lyrics. What proof is there out there that Ed is anti-religious? I was born, baptized and raised a Catholic, fell out during college and a long time afterwards but have recently come back into it. I'm even receiving the sacrament of Confirmation as a 33 year old next month.
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Well, I'm a person majoring in science AND a Catholic.
I believe in evolution. That doesn't make me anti-religion, nor does it mean I don't believe in God, for example.
Evolution explains how different species changed over time, not how everything was created. Therefore, the thought of a "creator" (call it God, or whatever you want) AND evolution, may co-exist.
I was just making a point of my own, about how it's not just black and white...there are shades of grey. meh, nevermind me.
I do tend to get sucked into theology debates because I am passionate about the subject. But I try to refrain as my views occasionally upset the more sensitive believers.
Back to what we were saying... I doubt a very religious person would sing "Here's To The State...", even though it only directly targets fundamental Christianity.
"And here's to the churches of Jerry Falwell
Oh the cross was made of silver, but now it’s turned to rust
And the Sunday morning services preaching fear of men in love
And God only knows in Heaven they must trust
Here's to the land you tore out the heart of
Jerry Falwell find yourself another country to be part of."
You might be right. Maybe Ed is very religious. But I don't personally think he is. Whenever he refers to a God, I think he's referencing his own love of nature/spiritualism... not a belief in any of the major religions.
Either way, I respect that he keeps it private and it wouldn't affect my affection for him and his music (unless, of course, he touted creationism).
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... it's not [all] black and white...there are [only] shades of grey.
Oh My! Now I've died and gone to heaven! You just quoted British Novelist and Playwright, perhaps secret agent and definitely tortured catholic, Graham Greene! How entirely appropriate for this thread!
I do tend to get sucked into theology debates because I am passionate about the subject. But I try to refrain as my views occasionally upset the more sensitive believers.
Back to what we were saying... I doubt a very religious person would sing "Here's To The State...", even though it only directly targets fundamental Christianity.
"And here's to the churches of Jerry Falwell
Oh the cross was made of silver, but now it’s turned to rust
And the Sunday morning services preaching fear of men in love
And God only knows in Heaven they must trust
Here's to the land you tore out the heart of
Jerry Falwell find yourself another country to be part of."
Jerry Falwell is a Baptist so he doesn't really have much to with a Catholic thread.
The only time I've ever heard Ed reference the Pope was in Philly 00:
After 'I Got Shit,' Ed says its a song that they wrote with "young Neil." He then talks about a few of the band members saw Neil's play during the break between Boston and Philly and that Neil told him to say "Hello" to Philly. He says that the Pope also asked them to say "Hello" to Philly and that the Pope is "a warm human being ... we're friends but never writes ya back." He changes the 'Even Flow' lyrics to include, "Praying out to the Pope who never writes him back.
I think it's like a movie that was way too popular. It's a story that's been told too many times and just doesn't mean anything. Man lived on the planet -- [placing his fingers an inch apart], this is 5000 years of semi-recorded history. And God and the Bible, that came in somewhere around the middle, maybe 2000. This is the last 2000, this is what we're about to celebrate [indicating about an 1/8th of an inch with his fingers]. Now, humans, in some shape or form, have been on the earth for three million years [pointing across the room to indicate the distance]. So, all this time, from there [gesturing toward the other side of the room], to here [indicating the 1/8th of an inch], there was no God, there was no story, there was no myth and people lived on this planet and they wandered and they gathered and they did all these things. The planet was never threatened. How did they survive for all this time without this belief in God? I'd like to ask this to someone who knows about Christianity and maybe you do. That just seems funny to me.
-- Eddie Vedder, interview with Janeane Garofalo at Brendan's, on the Lower East Side: she asked, "Funny ha-ha or funny strange?" He responded: "Funny strange. Funny bad. Funny frown. Not good. That laws are made and wars occur because of this story that was written, again, in this small part of time."
The word religion has such bad connotations for me, that it's been responsible for wars, and it shouldn't be that way at all, it's just the way the meaning of the word has evolved to me. I have to wonder what we did on this planet before religion.
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When you're out in the desert, you can't believe the amount of stars. We've sent mechanisms out there, and they haven't found anything. They've found different colors of sand, and rings, and gasses, but nobody's shown me anything that makes me feel secure in what happens afterward. All I really believe in is this moment, like right now.
-- Eddie Vedder, Rolling Stone, October 31 1991, "Right Here, Right Now,"
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"Empty pockets will Allow a greater Sense of wealth...." EV/ITW
Excellent Point! No one could have said this any better!
And I meant to add to my last response - what I personally think of EV's views about religion....I respect EVERYONE'S viewpoint - including his - and would hope that others will respect mine.
"Empty pockets will Allow a greater Sense of wealth...." EV/ITW
i whole-heartedly agree with you. if you wanna bring your kid up in a religion, the least you have to do is explain it to them.
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I'm Catholic and nothing Eddie says bothers me. He is free to think whatever he likes.
Also, I don't know any Catholics that believe the pope is God on Earth.
According to the Catholic Encyclopedia:
"The title pope, once used with far greater latitude, is at present employed solely to denote the Bishop of Rome, who, in virtue of his position as successor of St. Peter, is the chief pastor of the whole Church, the Vicar of Christ upon earth."
I think a lot of confusion comes from that last part, "Vicar of Christ upon earth." and with good reason. But the title Vicar of Christ actually means: A title of the pope implying his supreme and universal primacy, both of honour and of jurisdiction, over the Church of Christ.
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What did Eddie say against Jesus or religion, I must have missed that. I thought Given To Fly was about Jesus, and that didnt sound like an insult.
What are we talking about here? We need to have some references, maybe quotes by Eddie, otherwise I dont see Pearl Jam being anti-religion at all and am interested in hearing why you think otherwise?
pete t
my brother became a catholic to get married to a catholic so they could raise their kids and send them to a catholic school. i sat during their wedding and listened to what the priest said about man being the head of the household etc etc and all i could think of was how wrong catholics are, about a lot of things. they're just not very today.
all IMHO
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Thats a very interesting statement. I'm not Cathlolic. But as far as religions go, they are very much "today". They continuously change their positions on matter in order to maintain members. IMO, a religion, who follows the Bible, should not change its views to things that disagree with the Bible just so they don't offend their members.
The world is going down the toilet. Why should a religio, of all things, follow that trend? PEOPLE should be modifying their lives to fit their religion. Not the other way around. I'm pretty sure God didn't say "ok...heres the rules written down for you...feel free to make up your own as you go. I don't want to offend anyone who wants to do things I don't approve of."
I was wondering this as well. How does anyone here know what Ed's religious views are? Especially since getting married and becoming a father? (2 VERY big life-changes.)
Like most, i don't agree with the church all of the time. I don't believe Ed is anti-religion either. He can say whatever he wants. Its free will baby!
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I'm Catholic. I like rants. I go on many of my own.
Opposing views make my beliefs stronger.
It only bothers me when people who claim to be open-minded assume that people are stupid to subscribe to organized religion. How can you claim to be open-minded if you degrade those "stupid enough" to disagree with you? ...but I digress.
you make me laugh...and if you think i'm going to discuss religion with you then you are kidding yourself!
i look forward to the day when pete t's vision is proved right.
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All I want to say here is that Ed appearing on Bill Maher would kick ass. I don't agree with Bill when he gets all psycho about food, but his politics and anti-religion views are excellent. I would love to see Ed converse with Bill.
BTW, if you don't know it yet Ed is endorsing Barack Obama. That's fact.
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Well, I'm a person majoring in science AND a Catholic.
I believe in evolution. That doesn't make me anti-religion, nor does it mean I don't believe in God, for example.
Evolution explains how different species changed over time, not how everything was created. Therefore, the thought of a "creator" (call it God, or whatever you want) AND evolution, may co-exist.
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Don't suck me into another one of these Belief vs. Atheism debates. Read the other thread and catch up (warning: it will take a few days).
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=281894
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Nobody is sucking you into any debate, dude. lol
I was just making a point of my own, about how it's not just black and white...there are shades of grey. meh, nevermind me.
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I do tend to get sucked into theology debates because I am passionate about the subject. But I try to refrain as my views occasionally upset the more sensitive believers.
Back to what we were saying... I doubt a very religious person would sing "Here's To The State...", even though it only directly targets fundamental Christianity.
"And here's to the churches of Jerry Falwell
Oh the cross was made of silver, but now it’s turned to rust
And the Sunday morning services preaching fear of men in love
And God only knows in Heaven they must trust
Here's to the land you tore out the heart of
Jerry Falwell find yourself another country to be part of."
You might be right. Maybe Ed is very religious. But I don't personally think he is. Whenever he refers to a God, I think he's referencing his own love of nature/spiritualism... not a belief in any of the major religions.
Either way, I respect that he keeps it private and it wouldn't affect my affection for him and his music (unless, of course, he touted creationism).
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Oh My! Now I've died and gone to heaven! You just quoted British Novelist and Playwright, perhaps secret agent and definitely tortured catholic, Graham Greene! How entirely appropriate for this thread!
Jerry Falwell is a Baptist so he doesn't really have much to with a Catholic thread.
The only time I've ever heard Ed reference the Pope was in Philly 00:
After 'I Got Shit,' Ed says its a song that they wrote with "young Neil." He then talks about a few of the band members saw Neil's play during the break between Boston and Philly and that Neil told him to say "Hello" to Philly. He says that the Pope also asked them to say "Hello" to Philly and that the Pope is "a warm human being ... we're friends but never writes ya back." He changes the 'Even Flow' lyrics to include, "Praying out to the Pope who never writes him back.
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That was more in response to the guy who seemed sure Ed is Christian.
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The next time I see my dad, I'm going to ask him about this.
THat phrase is reminding me of an old country song.. not what Ed sang but what Neil said about talking but never talking back/getting an answer.
It's not as deep as you think is what I'm trying to say.
I think it's like a movie that was way too popular. It's a story that's been told too many times and just doesn't mean anything. Man lived on the planet -- [placing his fingers an inch apart], this is 5000 years of semi-recorded history. And God and the Bible, that came in somewhere around the middle, maybe 2000. This is the last 2000, this is what we're about to celebrate [indicating about an 1/8th of an inch with his fingers]. Now, humans, in some shape or form, have been on the earth for three million years [pointing across the room to indicate the distance]. So, all this time, from there [gesturing toward the other side of the room], to here [indicating the 1/8th of an inch], there was no God, there was no story, there was no myth and people lived on this planet and they wandered and they gathered and they did all these things. The planet was never threatened. How did they survive for all this time without this belief in God? I'd like to ask this to someone who knows about Christianity and maybe you do. That just seems funny to me.
-- Eddie Vedder, interview with Janeane Garofalo at Brendan's, on the Lower East Side: she asked, "Funny ha-ha or funny strange?" He responded: "Funny strange. Funny bad. Funny frown. Not good. That laws are made and wars occur because of this story that was written, again, in this small part of time."
The word religion has such bad connotations for me, that it's been responsible for wars, and it shouldn't be that way at all, it's just the way the meaning of the word has evolved to me. I have to wonder what we did on this planet before religion.
-- Eddie Vedder, interview on sonicnet.com
When you're out in the desert, you can't believe the amount of stars. We've sent mechanisms out there, and they haven't found anything. They've found different colors of sand, and rings, and gasses, but nobody's shown me anything that makes me feel secure in what happens afterward. All I really believe in is this moment, like right now.
-- Eddie Vedder, Rolling Stone, October 31 1991, "Right Here, Right Now,"
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