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lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
edited May 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
WTF - How could a 15 year olds problems be so bad that this was the only way out, and hard to believe that with all the resources devoted to kids these days she couldn't find the help needed.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    perhaps she was manic depressive or something like that. a 15 year olds problem can sometimes go way beyond boys and bitchy girls and fashion you know. to say how could a 15 year old problems be so bad... is in my opinion slightly ignorant. there may have been a catalyst but there may well have been a deeper underlying condition.
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    i wanted to off myself when i was 15.....hell i've thought of it since i was 10.....
  • in_hiding79in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    lukin2006 wrote:
    WTF - How could a 15 year olds problems be so bad that this was the only way out, and hard to believe that with all the resources devoted to kids these days she couldn't find the help needed.


    This is very very sad! I think it's a shame that she felt it necessary to commit suicide! Maybe she figured there was no one to talk too....:(
    And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
    "What a stupid lamb."
    "What a sick, masochistic lion."
  • in_hiding79in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    cutback wrote:
    i wanted to off myself when i was 15.....hell i've thought of it since i was 10.....

    CB......:eek:

    That is so sad!! :(
    And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
    "What a stupid lamb."
    "What a sick, masochistic lion."
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    cutback wrote:
    i wanted to off myself when i was 15.....hell i've thought of it since i was 10.....

    11 for me.
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    in_hiding79 wrote:
    CB......:eek:

    That is so sad!! :(

    no not so sad.....those feelings don't come around much anymore.... and i think those feelings are healthy....sounds weird to some i know, but it works for me :)
  • HushBullHushBull Posts: 996
    lukin2006 wrote:
    WTF - How could a 15 year olds problems be so bad that this was the only way out, and hard to believe that with all the resources devoted to kids these days she couldn't find the help needed.

    How could you not know this happens quite often.
    I'm surprised this even got coverage.
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  • vedderfan10vedderfan10 Posts: 2,497
    lukin2006 wrote:
    WTF - How could a 15 year olds problems be so bad that this was the only way out, and hard to believe that with all the resources devoted to kids these days she couldn't find the help needed.

    Hmm..... There is an illness called "depression" and when you have it, your thoughts become distorted, you feel worthless and hopeless, and ruminate obsessively about every bad thing that's ever happened to you....and every tiny seemingly innocuous comment makes you hate yourself even more - and you generally hide it from people. Sometimes people kill themselves rather than admitting their shame and disgust at themselves for not being able to "handle it", while others are able to get help...

    When you have a chemical imbalance in your brain, "problems" are irrelevant. Comments like yours above only serve to perpetuate the stigma attached to depression...which ultimately drives some people to suicide because they are too ashamed and embarrased to ask for help...
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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    when i was in high school, a few years ago i think i was in... grade 10? anyways we had three deaths that year: car crash, health problem, and suicide. it was weird, to the point that you'd get to school and you'd see people crying again and you'd realise 'it' happened again.

    apparently the girl who hung herself had told the councilor she was going to do it, and the councilor never did anything... the parents had no idea their daughter had felt that way.
    he got fired pretty quick.
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  • urbanhippieurbanhippie Posts: 3,007
    Not everyone has an idyllic childhood... I was bullied at school and for a long time I looked for a way out.... It was only when my mum caught me deliberately hurting myself so I could stay off school the anyone realised how bad the situation had got.


    People sometimes use the phrase 'a cry for attention'...how sad that kids don't get the attention that they need already. Life can be hard no matter what your age... Being 15 is no picnic....


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  • muppetmuppet Posts: 980
    Speaking as a teenager, I think most of us go through a period of feeling insecure of inferior. It's probably just teenage angst. The danger is with that is people sometimes dismiss cries for help as 'part of growing up' when in reality the person could actually be depressed.

    It's sad that a 15 year old girl killed herself, and it's also quite ignorant to imply that teenagers have no reason to be depressed,
  • audiodaveaudiodave Posts: 1,623
    muppet wrote:
    It's sad that a 15 year old girl killed herself, and it's also quite ignorant to imply that teenagers have no reason to be depressed,
    It's usually people who have never been depressed who think this way. They don't know what it's like and think it isn't that serious. There seem to be a few posters on this board who think this way. Guess not everyone is that lucky...
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  • in_hiding79in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    It's terrible to know that this topic is very common! Fifteen Year Olds killing themselves is very tragic!! :(
    And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
    "What a stupid lamb."
    "What a sick, masochistic lion."
  • PaukPauk Posts: 1,084
    I tried to commit suicide a few times when I was 12, the ironic thing is I got over it and then truly did nearly die. I can't find it hard to believe teenagers feel suicidal. There's a lot of pressure in the education system and from parents and peer pressure etc. etc. that the future does seem impossibly far away at times. It's only in retrospect that people realise it wasn't all that much.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,929
    lukin2006 wrote:
    WTF - How could a 15 year olds problems be so bad that this was the only way out

    you're an idiot
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    A girl age 14 killed herself at our school this year.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    you're an idiot
    It was a question, not a statement, you douchebag. See I'm not American, we have plenty of help available or our citizens in all areas, our tax $$$$$$ don't go to just fund the invasion of other countries we actually care about our citizens. NOT JUST OIL.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    keeponrockin wrote:
    A girl age 14 killed herself at our school this year.
    tragic no matter why.
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  • OneLoveOneLove Posts: 563
    lukin2006 wrote:
    WTF - How could a 15 year olds problems be so bad that this was the only way out, and hard to believe that with all the resources devoted to kids these days she couldn't find the help needed.


    That is a really sad situation. Its hard to imagine what someone else's circumstance is....but you can certainly assume that she felt alone and helpless.

    Yes, there are alot of resources available to kids these days...however, more often than not the people who need help are also directed there, encouraged, or supported by loved ones. Thats the tricky thing about being depressed... you don't necesarily want or think you can feel better when you are in the throws of it.

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,208
    shit parents have alot to do with how kids do ,i have 14yr old son and believe me communication is one of the things that we have in all aspects in our lives ...and i also have an 11yr old daughter ....
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,929
    lukin2006 wrote:
    It was a question, not a statement, you douchebag. See I'm not American, we have plenty of help available or our citizens in all areas, our tax $$$$$$ don't go to just fund the invasion of other countries we actually care about our citizens. NOT JUST OIL.


    I know it was a question. and I'm saying that you're an idiot to have to ask a question like this:

    lukin2006 wrote:
    WTF - How could a 15 year olds problems be so bad that this was the only way out, and hard to believe that with all the resources devoted to kids these days she couldn't find the help needed.


    do you know ANYTHING about suicide? she probably didn't seek out the resources. and secondly, the problems of a 15 year old are far greater than any problems that me or you would have.

    you sound so stupid when you say that you're country "cares about citizens and NOT JUST OIL." don't you think there are suicide-prevention programs in the United States? do you think that the reason that girl killed herself is because oil is our national priority and she couldn't get help?
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  • writersuwritersu Posts: 1,867
    my son had a school mate who hung himself; he was only ten. I could not help but put myself in each of the people around him's shoes. How hard it must have been, you know?

    The thing about suicide is that you are not able to see the next day and the possibility that it will be a better day.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    I know it was a question. and I'm saying that you're an idiot to have to ask a question like this:





    do you know ANYTHING about suicide? she probably didn't seek out the resources. and secondly, the problems of a 15 year old are far greater than any problems that me or you would have.

    you sound so stupid when you say that you're country "cares about citizens and NOT JUST OIL." don't you think there are suicide-prevention programs in the United States? do you think that the reason that girl killed herself is because oil is our national priority and she couldn't get help?
    Well your citizens aren't your national priority, thats for sure. Listen here, the worlds onto America, its become the most hated country in the world because of people like you who feels the need to insult people who are just posting a thread on a message board. The truth is if you can not make your point intelligent without insulting someone what does that say about you. I probably shouldn't have called you a douche, but it seems you are, now go fuck off.
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  • PaukPauk Posts: 1,084
    Bringing politics into this is entirely irrelevant. There's no point being self-righteous and using someone's nationality against them for no apparent reason. I don't think ANY national government has plans about preventing teenage suicide in their manifesto, no matter what the country. It's tragic, but it's hardly a major epidemic.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,929
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Well your citizens aren't your national priority, thats for sure. Listen here, the worlds onto America, its become the most hated country in the world because of people like you who feels the need to insult people who are just posting a thread on a message board. The truth is if you can not make your point intelligent without insulting someone what does that say about you. I probably shouldn't have called you a douche, but it seems you are, now go fuck off.


    why are you talking about America? we're a hated country...we insult people on message boards....where's the relavance? you started a thread in which you ask "How could a 15 year olds problems be so bad that this was the only way out" when referring to a suicide victim (and yes, they are victims). whether, I'm American, French, Italian or a fucking Ewok......I'm going to think that's a stupid question.

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  • comebackwomancomebackwoman Posts: 7,271
    Unfortunately 15 year olds can have horrific problems...some more than most adults can even fathom. I worked with a girl who was prostituted out from the age of 8 by her mother so that she could score drugs...and another who was raped repeatedly from the age of 5 by her brother and his friends. Unfortunately these kids learn early on the price of not keeping the *secret* and the cost of betraying the secret far out weighs any perceived benefit of seeking help. Many of them learn to be perfectionists so as not to arouse any attention...they excel at school, in sports, etc...so looking from the outside you would never know anything is wrong. There are countless situations I'm sure that would lead a 15 year old to believe that suicide is the only escape. Very sad :(
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  • muppetmuppet Posts: 980
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Well your citizens aren't your national priority, thats for sure. Listen here, the worlds onto America, its become the most hated country in the world because of people like you who feels the need to insult people who are just posting a thread on a message board. The truth is if you can not make your point intelligent without insulting someone what does that say about you. I probably shouldn't have called you a douche, but it seems you are, now go fuck off.

    Look, you made a pretty insenseitive remark, even if you didn't mean it maliciously. There's no point hiding behind the "America SUCKS!" argument to try and cover your back.
  • Slip KidSlip Kid Posts: 1,175
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Well your citizens aren't your national priority, thats for sure. Listen here, the worlds onto America, its become the most hated country in the world because of people like you who feels the need to insult people who are just posting a thread on a message board. The truth is if you can not make your point intelligent without insulting someone what does that say about you. I probably shouldn't have called you a douche, but it seems you are, now go fuck off.

    You criticize him for calling you an idiot then you tell him to fuck off?

    What does that say about you?
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    why are you talking about America? we're a hated country...we insult people on message boards....where's the relavance? you started a thread in which you ask "How could a 15 year olds problems be so bad that this was the only way out" when referring to a suicide victim (and yes, they are victims). whether, I'm American, French, Italian or a fucking Ewok......I'm going to think that's a stupid question.

    some posts I disagree with I reply by saying "I disagree with this because..............and I explain my opinion." others I reply by saying "You're an idiot" and nothing else because that's all that really could be said.
    Well if your as intelligent as you think you are, then maybe you could make a constructive comment, but your most likely not as intelligent as you think, you just have a very high opinion of yourself
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Slip Kid wrote:
    You criticize him for calling you an idiot then you tell him to fuck off?

    What does that say about you?
    thats right, but if he didn't have anything constructive to say, why comment.
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