Work In a School In Which 15 Year Old Girl Commited Suicide

Ledbetterman10

lukin2006 wrote:

It was a question, not a statement, you douchebag. See I'm not American, we have plenty of help available or our citizens in all areas, our tax $$$$$$ don't go to just fund the invasion of other countries we actually care about our citizens. NOT JUST OIL.

I know it was a question. and I'm saying that you're an idiot to have to ask a question like this:

lukin2006 wrote:

WTF - How could a 15 year olds problems be so bad that this was the only way out, and hard to believe that with all the resources devoted to kids these days she couldn't find the help needed.

do you know ANYTHING about suicide? she probably didn't seek out the resources. and secondly, the problems of a 15 year old are far greater than any problems that me or you would have.

you sound so stupid when you say that you're country "cares about citizens and NOT JUST OIL." don't you think there are suicide-prevention programs in the United States? do you think that the reason that girl killed herself is because oil is our national priority and she couldn't get help?

writersu

my son had a school mate who hung himself; he was only ten. I could not help but put myself in each of the people around him's shoes. How hard it must have been, you know?

The thing about suicide is that you are not able to see the next day and the possibility that it will be a better day.

lukin2006

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I know it was a question. and I'm saying that you're an idiot to have to ask a question like this:





do you know ANYTHING about suicide? she probably didn't seek out the resources. and secondly, the problems of a 15 year old are far greater than any problems that me or you would have.

you sound so stupid when you say that you're country "cares about citizens and NOT JUST OIL." don't you think there are suicide-prevention programs in the United States? do you think that the reason that girl killed herself is because oil is our national priority and she couldn't get help?

Well your citizens aren't your national priority, thats for sure. Listen here, the worlds onto America, its become the most hated country in the world because of people like you who feels the need to insult people who are just posting a thread on a message board. The truth is if you can not make your point intelligent without insulting someone what does that say about you. I probably shouldn't have called you a douche, but it seems you are, now go fuck off.

Pauk

Bringing politics into this is entirely irrelevant. There's no point being self-righteous and using someone's nationality against them for no apparent reason. I don't think ANY national government has plans about preventing teenage suicide in their manifesto, no matter what the country. It's tragic, but it's hardly a major epidemic.

Ledbetterman10

lukin2006 wrote:

Well your citizens aren't your national priority, thats for sure. Listen here, the worlds onto America, its become the most hated country in the world because of people like you who feels the need to insult people who are just posting a thread on a message board. The truth is if you can not make your point intelligent without insulting someone what does that say about you. I probably shouldn't have called you a douche, but it seems you are, now go fuck off.

why are you talking about America? we're a hated country...we insult people on message boards....where's the relavance? you started a thread in which you ask "How could a 15 year olds problems be so bad that this was the only way out" when referring to a suicide victim (and yes, they are victims). whether, I'm American, French, Italian or a fucking Ewok......I'm going to think that's a stupid question.

some posts I disagree with I reply by saying "I disagree with this because..............and I explain my opinion." others I reply by saying "You're an idiot" and nothing else because that's all that really could be said.

comebackwoman

Unfortunately 15 year olds can have horrific problems...some more than most adults can even fathom. I worked with a girl who was prostituted out from the age of 8 by her mother so that she could score drugs...and another who was raped repeatedly from the age of 5 by her brother and his friends. Unfortunately these kids learn early on the price of not keeping the *secret* and the cost of betraying the secret far out weighs any perceived benefit of seeking help. Many of them learn to be perfectionists so as not to arouse any attention...they excel at school, in sports, etc...so looking from the outside you would never know anything is wrong. There are countless situations I'm sure that would lead a 15 year old to believe that suicide is the only escape. Very sad :(

muppet

lukin2006 wrote:

Well your citizens aren't your national priority, thats for sure. Listen here, the worlds onto America, its become the most hated country in the world because of people like you who feels the need to insult people who are just posting a thread on a message board. The truth is if you can not make your point intelligent without insulting someone what does that say about you. I probably shouldn't have called you a douche, but it seems you are, now go fuck off.

Look, you made a pretty insenseitive remark, even if you didn't mean it maliciously. There's no point hiding behind the "America SUCKS!" argument to try and cover your back.

Slip Kid

lukin2006 wrote:

Well your citizens aren't your national priority, thats for sure. Listen here, the worlds onto America, its become the most hated country in the world because of people like you who feels the need to insult people who are just posting a thread on a message board. The truth is if you can not make your point intelligent without insulting someone what does that say about you. I probably shouldn't have called you a douche, but it seems you are, now go fuck off.

You criticize him for calling you an idiot then you tell him to fuck off?

What does that say about you?

lukin2006

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

why are you talking about America? we're a hated country...we insult people on message boards....where's the relavance? you started a thread in which you ask "How could a 15 year olds problems be so bad that this was the only way out" when referring to a suicide victim (and yes, they are victims). whether, I'm American, French, Italian or a fucking Ewok......I'm going to think that's a stupid question.

some posts I disagree with I reply by saying "I disagree with this because..............and I explain my opinion." others I reply by saying "You're an idiot" and nothing else because that's all that really could be said.

Well if your as intelligent as you think you are, then maybe you could make a constructive comment, but your most likely not as intelligent as you think, you just have a very high opinion of yourself

lukin2006

Slip Kid wrote:

You criticize him for calling you an idiot then you tell him to fuck off?

What does that say about you?

thats right, but if he didn't have anything constructive to say, why comment.

in_hiding79

Lukin, "MOST" people on this board are NEVER wrong in their actions.....they are perfect angels.....& they never say something that other people disagree with. :rolleyes: That being said....don't take these people seriously, I mean they are ridiculous!!

lukin2006

in_hiding79 wrote:

Lukin, "MOST" people on this board are NEVER wrong in their actions.....they are perfect angels.....& they never say something that other people disagree with. :rolleyes: That being said....don't take these people seriously, I mean they are ridiculous!!

Yes i agree, thank you.

in_hiding79

lukin2006 wrote:

Yes i agree, thank you.

no problem...;)

Slip Kid

lukin2006 wrote:

thats right, but if he didn't have anything constructive to say, why comment.

Still, you chose to "stoop to his level" and thus making you just the very person you criticized him for being.

audiodave

in_hiding79 wrote:

Lukin, "MOST" people on this board are NEVER wrong in their actions.....they are perfect angels.....& they never say something that other people disagree with. :rolleyes: That being said....don't take these people seriously, I mean they are ridiculous!!

I don't agree with how Ledbetterman10 chose to make his point, but I do more or less agree with him. I wouldn't use the term idiot as I don't like to directly insult people, but I think the OP's view on this is a little naive. As many posters have pointed out, 15 year olds have a lot of problems, some worse than anyone could imagine. Sometimes there IS no other way out, and sometimes people don't want help. I'm not saying that was the case here, as I don't know the details, but it is a sad fact of life.

And bringing someone's nationality into the argument, and comments about oil, are just completely irrelevant. That is the only ridiculous thing that I saw in this thread.

Drop The Leash 10

happened last year to a kid in mny school. a 16 year old kid who noone payed attention to. got good grades but got picked on. i think it was a cry fpor attention. so sad

seanw1010

lukin2006 wrote:

It was a question, not a statement, you douchebag. See I'm not American, we have plenty of help available or our citizens in all areas, our tax $$$$$$ don't go to just fund the invasion of other countries we actually care about our citizens. NOT JUST OIL.

you are definitely an idiot

and my cousin(whom i never met) committed suicide when he was 17. his parents had no idea why, and did not see any signs of it coming. he was great with engines, and could fix just about anything. the day before he died he finished building a gokart with his 9 year old sister.

my uncle also committed suicide when he was 35, but that was because of drugs.

writersu

urbanhippie wrote:

Not everyone has an idyllic childhood... I was bullied at school and for a long time I looked for a way out.... It was only when my mum caught me deliberately hurting myself so I could stay off school the anyone realised how bad the situation had got.


People sometimes use the phrase 'a cry for attention'...how sad that kids don't get the attention that they need already. Life can be hard no matter what your age... Being 15 is no picnic....


Just my opinion.

yeah, like the whole "cutting" thing. I use to when I was a teenager, didn't know or care why, I just was so out there anyway.....

then I got older and a therapist that I went to for awhile whom I loved like a mother I never had told me I was screaming out, "look I am hurting, see???!!"

that was the best explanation I ever heard that fit the situation.

mdigenakis

so far just pregnant girls puking in my classroom and riots in the hall once in a blue moon, so far.

Anon

in_hiding79 wrote:

Lukin, "MOST" people on this board are NEVER wrong in their actions.....they are perfect angels.....& they never say something that other people disagree with. :rolleyes: That being said....don't take these people seriously, I mean they are ridiculous!!

I had no problems with your reply until i got to the 'they are ridiculous' comment.

This is not a thread about 'what you ate today' or 'what is your favorite flower', or 'what is the best movie you have seen lately'. It's a thread about suicide, something that's could hit close to home for some of the people you choose to call ridiculous.

Look again at what was said, 'and hard to believe that with all the resources devoted to kids these days she couldn't find the help needed.'

Now i'm not for one minute saying that people should not discuss things calmly and rationally without name calling, but is it really so surprising that things got heated over such a sensitive issue and the delivery of the OP?

I see lots of people posting on this board who i do not consider ridiculous.