Lukin, "MOST" people on this board are NEVER wrong in their actions.....they are perfect angels.....& they never say something that other people disagree with. :rolleyes: That being said....don't take these people seriously, I mean they are ridiculous!!
And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
Lukin, "MOST" people on this board are NEVER wrong in their actions.....they are perfect angels.....& they never say something that other people disagree with. :rolleyes: That being said....don't take these people seriously, I mean they are ridiculous!!
Yes i agree, thank you.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Lukin, "MOST" people on this board are NEVER wrong in their actions.....they are perfect angels.....& they never say something that other people disagree with. :rolleyes: That being said....don't take these people seriously, I mean they are ridiculous!!
I don't agree with how Ledbetterman10 chose to make his point, but I do more or less agree with him. I wouldn't use the term idiot as I don't like to directly insult people, but I think the OP's view on this is a little naive. As many posters have pointed out, 15 year olds have a lot of problems, some worse than anyone could imagine. Sometimes there IS no other way out, and sometimes people don't want help. I'm not saying that was the case here, as I don't know the details, but it is a sad fact of life.
And bringing someone's nationality into the argument, and comments about oil, are just completely irrelevant. That is the only ridiculous thing that I saw in this thread.
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happened last year to a kid in mny school. a 16 year old kid who noone payed attention to. got good grades but got picked on. i think it was a cry fpor attention. so sad
I will be what i could be
Once I get out of this town
It was a question, not a statement, you douchebag. See I'm not American, we have plenty of help available or our citizens in all areas, our tax $$$$$$ don't go to just fund the invasion of other countries we actually care about our citizens. NOT JUST OIL.
you are definitely an idiot
and my cousin(whom i never met) committed suicide when he was 17. his parents had no idea why, and did not see any signs of it coming. he was great with engines, and could fix just about anything. the day before he died he finished building a gokart with his 9 year old sister.
my uncle also committed suicide when he was 35, but that was because of drugs.
they call them fingers, but i never see them fing. oh, there they go
Not everyone has an idyllic childhood... I was bullied at school and for a long time I looked for a way out.... It was only when my mum caught me deliberately hurting myself so I could stay off school the anyone realised how bad the situation had got.
People sometimes use the phrase 'a cry for attention'...how sad that kids don't get the attention that they need already. Life can be hard no matter what your age... Being 15 is no picnic....
Just my opinion.
yeah, like the whole "cutting" thing. I use to when I was a teenager, didn't know or care why, I just was so out there anyway.....
then I got older and a therapist that I went to for awhile whom I loved like a mother I never had told me I was screaming out, "look I am hurting, see???!!"
that was the best explanation I ever heard that fit the situation.
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
Lukin, "MOST" people on this board are NEVER wrong in their actions.....they are perfect angels.....& they never say something that other people disagree with. :rolleyes: That being said....don't take these people seriously, I mean they are ridiculous!!
I had no problems with your reply until i got to the 'they are ridiculous' comment.
This is not a thread about 'what you ate today' or 'what is your favorite flower', or 'what is the best movie you have seen lately'. It's a thread about suicide, something that's could hit close to home for some of the people you choose to call ridiculous.
Look again at what was said, 'and hard to believe that with all the resources devoted to kids these days she couldn't find the help needed.'
Now i'm not for one minute saying that people should not discuss things calmly and rationally without name calling, but is it really so surprising that things got heated over such a sensitive issue and the delivery of the OP?
I see lots of people posting on this board who i do not consider ridiculous.
happened last year to a kid in mny school. a 16 year old kid who noone payed attention to. got good grades but got picked on. i think it was a cry fpor attention. so sad
Yes you're right, it is very, very sad. But whats even sadder is the fact that these kids have to cry for the attention that they should already be getting.
I'm not saying in any way that it's anyones fault these things happen, but you have to wonder why sometimes...
Yes you're right, it is very, very sad. But whats even sadder is the fact that these kids have to cry for the attention that they should already be getting.
I'm not saying in any way that it's anyones fault these things happen, but you have to wonder why sometimes...
even those who do the screaming wonder why sometimes. it aches like nothing else ive ever experienced. you feel yourself splitting in two and you look at your life and you think what is the problem. but nothing you see or can touch gives you the answer. and then you realise its all in your head. and that is the most scary thing of all. its with you always...waiting. and i dont mean youre imagining it. you dont want it to be a part of you but it is and you cant be rid of it through wishing or hoping or praying. you just have to learn to live with it. and that is the most difficult thing to do.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
even those who do the screaming wonder why sometimes. it aches like nothing else ive ever experienced. you feel yourself splitting in two and you look at your life and you think what is the problem. but nothing you see or can touch gives you the answer. and then you realise its all in your head. and that is the most scary thing of all. its with you always...waiting. and i dont mean youre imagining it. you dont want it to be a part of you but it is and you cant be rid of it through wishing or hoping or praying. you just have to learn to live with it. and that is the most difficult thing to do.
I agree that sometimes there is no reason for it. It doesn't make these feelings any less valid though. To the OP, it may seem like a 15 year old has no problem big enough to do this to herself, but no one can truly understand what makes people do this except those that do. And even then, as cate says, they may not even understand it themselves.
I have felt suicidal feelings, and it was at a time in my life when, to the outside world at least, things had never been better for me. Consequently, it was hard to explain and justify these feelings, even to myself. Add the guilt of considering this to all the other confused feelings and you have a situation from which it feels there is only one escape.
my wife worked in a school where an 8 year old hung himself.
:eek: fuck.
Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
and my cousin(whom i never met) committed suicide when he was 17. his parents had no idea why, and did not see any signs of it coming. he was great with engines, and could fix just about anything. the day before he died he finished building a gokart with his 9 year old sister.
my uncle also committed suicide when he was 35, but that was because of drugs.
Sorry for your troubles
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Oh fuck off with calling the dude an idiot. You have to realize that not everybody realizes just how bad some things can be for people. For people who do not have the kind of mental imbalances that those who do these types of things possess, I can see how it can be unbelievable for someone that young to do something like that.
WTF - How could a 15 year olds problems be so bad that this was the only way out, and hard to believe that with all the resources devoted to kids these days she couldn't find the help needed.
that is a prime age for suicide...and i would say continues until you are probably 35. i know suicide was a close friend to me at that age. with my own life already a mess, then my one and only Kurt Cobain died...well...as you could imagine...it seems like a good idea at the time. i chose the self destructive path as an alternative...self destructive in a way that you get to live and enjoy the pain you put yourself thru. which is better? i still question.
so yeah....to think that 15 year olds are immune to these thoughts and acts is simply ignorant. i guess your ignorance means you had a lovely childhood and your life is simply peachy. props to you. not everyone is so optimistic.
Seems that needlessly it's getting harder
To find an approach and a way to live
Are we getting something out of this
all-encompassing trip?
I think it was last year, when a teenager killed himself at my brothers school. He was 15. I guess he did it because his girlfriend broke up with him. It was really tragic, and the sad part was, that the girl who broke up with him was TOTALLY harassed and tortured by the other kids in the school because of it. It's just a sad chain of events when someone, at any age choses to end their life. Everyone is connected to many people on various levels and when someone's life ends its very hard on everyone around them. I hope that in the future, more assistance can be provided to those who feel that they have run out of options. I think it takes a team of professionals and well educated people to work with families and individuals to help.
that is a prime age for suicide...and i would say continues until you are probably 35. i know suicide was a close friend to me at that age. with my own life already a mess, then my one and only Kurt Cobain died...well...as you could imagine...it seems like a good idea at the time. i chose the self destructive path as an alternative...self destructive in a way that you get to live and enjoy the pain you put yourself thru. which is better? i still question.
so yeah....to think that 15 year olds are immune to these thoughts and acts is simply ignorant. i guess your ignorance means you had a lovely childhood and your life is simply peachy. props to you. not everyone is so optimistic.
Actually no my life wasn't peachy, nor was the lives of many people that I ran with, and many kids that I went to school were bullied, so I know as much as the next person that life can be hard and I went to a fairly large school 1000 students or so, early 80's, many kids were doing any all kinds of different drugs, yet in 4 years in high school, only 2 died, and that was from a motorcycle accident. So from point of view, we were either lucky, knew when not to go to far, or were stronger mentally. I may be naive, but I do realize kids have problems today, just as they had problems when I went to school, it just seems you hear more and more about kids taking their own lives today. No matter how you look at it, its very sad.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
The will to live is the strongest part of what makes us human, when someone commits suicide, they have to be extremely messed up chemically and emotionally to actually commit the act. We just lost a 20 year old in our town who was only 5 days older then my oldest son, and they graduated together. Where I hike everyday in the woods, there is a beautiful memorial built by his friends and family. What a beautiful tribute to him in a gorgeous spot. I hope he know just how much he was loved, because the effort that has gone into this shine is just amazing. I am touched by it every time I see it.
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"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
no problem...;)
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
Still, you chose to "stoop to his level" and thus making you just the very person you criticized him for being.
And bringing someone's nationality into the argument, and comments about oil, are just completely irrelevant. That is the only ridiculous thing that I saw in this thread.
I don't wanna think, I wanna feel
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Once I get out of this town
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and my cousin(whom i never met) committed suicide when he was 17. his parents had no idea why, and did not see any signs of it coming. he was great with engines, and could fix just about anything. the day before he died he finished building a gokart with his 9 year old sister.
my uncle also committed suicide when he was 35, but that was because of drugs.
yeah, like the whole "cutting" thing. I use to when I was a teenager, didn't know or care why, I just was so out there anyway.....
then I got older and a therapist that I went to for awhile whom I loved like a mother I never had told me I was screaming out, "look I am hurting, see???!!"
that was the best explanation I ever heard that fit the situation.
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
-Greg Dulli
I had no problems with your reply until i got to the 'they are ridiculous' comment.
This is not a thread about 'what you ate today' or 'what is your favorite flower', or 'what is the best movie you have seen lately'. It's a thread about suicide, something that's could hit close to home for some of the people you choose to call ridiculous.
Look again at what was said, 'and hard to believe that with all the resources devoted to kids these days she couldn't find the help needed.'
Now i'm not for one minute saying that people should not discuss things calmly and rationally without name calling, but is it really so surprising that things got heated over such a sensitive issue and the delivery of the OP?
I see lots of people posting on this board who i do not consider ridiculous.
I'm not saying in any way that it's anyones fault these things happen, but you have to wonder why sometimes...
Wembley 18/06/07
If there was a reason, it was you.
O2 Arena 18/09/09
even those who do the screaming wonder why sometimes. it aches like nothing else ive ever experienced. you feel yourself splitting in two and you look at your life and you think what is the problem. but nothing you see or can touch gives you the answer. and then you realise its all in your head. and that is the most scary thing of all. its with you always...waiting. and i dont mean youre imagining it. you dont want it to be a part of you but it is and you cant be rid of it through wishing or hoping or praying. you just have to learn to live with it. and that is the most difficult thing to do.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I have felt suicidal feelings, and it was at a time in my life when, to the outside world at least, things had never been better for me. Consequently, it was hard to explain and justify these feelings, even to myself. Add the guilt of considering this to all the other confused feelings and you have a situation from which it feels there is only one escape.
Wembley 18/06/07
If there was a reason, it was you.
O2 Arena 18/09/09
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
that is a prime age for suicide...and i would say continues until you are probably 35. i know suicide was a close friend to me at that age. with my own life already a mess, then my one and only Kurt Cobain died...well...as you could imagine...it seems like a good idea at the time. i chose the self destructive path as an alternative...self destructive in a way that you get to live and enjoy the pain you put yourself thru. which is better? i still question.
so yeah....to think that 15 year olds are immune to these thoughts and acts is simply ignorant. i guess your ignorance means you had a lovely childhood and your life is simply peachy. props to you. not everyone is so optimistic.
To find an approach and a way to live
Are we getting something out of this
all-encompassing trip?
very tragic all around.
:eek: That is so terrible......
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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*May the Peace of the Wilderness be with YOU*
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
— Unknown