Mall Shooting

gue_barium

dunkman wrote:

i'm 33 years old... i have no fucking idea at all where i could get a gun from... and i know some dodgy folk.. but if i started asking them for a gun they'd show me to the police.

'ere ya go ol chap.


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MattCameronKicksButt

What I can't understand is. If people have to go through psycological tests to get a gun permit, why do we here of so many shootings?

gue_barium

soulsinging wrote:

becos they're isolated and they're angry. nobody has listened to them their whole lives and they're pissed about it. suicide just means people will still ignore them and call them sad or depressed or cowards. and they want to make sure everyone know that's not the case, that they're pissed off. it's the only form of social attention they can get.

There is no reason.
This guy didn't know that.

dunkman

gue_barium wrote:

'ere ya go ol chap.


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Shotguns in stock on 25th October 2007

Our shotgun stock is listed below, showing the manufacturer's recommended retail prices.

Good discounts are available on most guns, call the gunroom on (01592) 882600 for details. (Stockholding is updated weekly, but stock can change on a daily basis.
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thanks... the conversation was about how to acquire guns illegaly but thanks for the tips



here are the reasons why i could never own one legally then:-

To buy a shotgun in Britain you need to hold a Shotgun Certificate, and to buy a rifle you need to hold a Fire Arm Certificate. You can ask for forms for these from your local police station.

Ask also to speak to your local police firearms liaison officer, who will tell you what you need to fill those forms out to his or her satisfaction. They may also want to see a 'good reason' for you wanting a gun, such as membership of a clay shooting club or pest control. They usually want to see that you will keep your gun or guns in a secure place, such as a steel gun cabinet bolted to a wall. You have to store ammunition separately.

A shotgun is described as a smooth-bore gun (not being an air-weapon) which has a barrel not less than 24 inches with a bore diameter not exceeding 2 inches. A firearm usually describes a cartridge-loading, rifled-barrel longarm (rifle) with a barrel not shorter than 300mm. Overall length of the firearm must not be less than 600mm unless it is a muzzle loader. Firearms include: muzzle-loading rifles or pistols; shotguns with a magazine capacity greater than three; airguns with power ratings exceeding 12 ft/lbs for rifles and 6ft/lbs for pistols; and historic pistols kept at home as part of a collection or kept at a designated historic site and used for non-competitive target practice.

People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force.

You have to be aged 17 or over to have a Firearms Certificate. If you are aged less than 17 you can have a Shotgun Certificate as long as you have your parent's signed permission. You must be aged 17 or over to purchase an airgun and ammunition. If you are aged between 14 and 17 years, you may borrow a gun or have one bought for you by someone aged 17 or over, and you may use it without supervision on private property where you have a right to be. If you are under 14 you may use an airgun on private property but you must be supervised by someone over the age of 21 at all times. It is unlawful for an under-14-year-old to possess a gun and ammunition without supervision.

It is an offence to fire a gun within 50 feet of a roadway, public footpath or bridleway if by doing so any member of the public is endangered. It is an offence to carry a loaded gun in a public place without good reason. An gun may be considered loaded even if the bullets (or pellets in thecase of air rifles) are in a detached magazine.

These were just the rules we had got used to. From 1997, firearm and shotgun certification became more stringent. Among the extra hurdles, people who now apply for Firearms Certificates have to provide two referees, and the police are able to revoke a Firearms Certificate in cases where the holder no longer has a good reason to possess firearms or ammunition.

Certain types of firearm are hard to obtain in Britain without a stringent Home Office licence. These include automatic weapons and most handguns.

The 1997 handgun ban also made buying any gun more difficult. These transactions have to take place face to face rather than by mail-order, as before. The 1997 Firearms (Amendment) Act made it illegal to send to any individual who is not a Registered Firearms Dealer a gun that requires a certificate or any metallic ammunition of .22 calibre and above. This also applies to transfers of ammunition which requires a Firearms Certificate. It does not apply to shotgun cartridges.

Guns can, however, be sent by a Registered Firearms Dealer (i.e. any gun shop) to another RFD. If you buy your guns mail order you will either have to set up a relationship with a friendly local RFD or be prepared to travel. This site will help you find an RFD in every area of the UK.

Not all RFD holders will be happy to accept guns that have been retailed by other dealers and all are perfectly entitled to levy a charge for this service

Lizard

Phantom Pain wrote:

I heard on the radio this morning he left a suicide note

Stating this would make him famous one day

They said he just lost his job and his g/f

he also was a ward of the state, been in foster care and his family had kicked him out recently. Was on meds. that's what our news said.

Sad all around.

gue_barium

dunkman wrote:

thanks... the conversation was about how to acquire guns illegaly but thanks for the tips



here are the reasons why i could never own one legally then:-

To buy a shotgun in Britain you need to hold a Shotgun Certificate, and to buy a rifle you need to hold a Fire Arm Certificate. You can ask for forms for these from your local police station.

Ask also to speak to your local police firearms liaison officer, who will tell you what you need to fill those forms out to his or her satisfaction. They may also want to see a 'good reason' for you wanting a gun, such as membership of a clay shooting club or pest control. They usually want to see that you will keep your gun or guns in a secure place, such as a steel gun cabinet bolted to a wall. You have to store ammunition separately.

A shotgun is described as a smooth-bore gun (not being an air-weapon) which has a barrel not less than 24 inches with a bore diameter not exceeding 2 inches. A firearm usually describes a cartridge-loading, rifled-barrel longarm (rifle) with a barrel not shorter than 300mm. Overall length of the firearm must not be less than 600mm unless it is a muzzle loader. Firearms include: muzzle-loading rifles or pistols; shotguns with a magazine capacity greater than three; airguns with power ratings exceeding 12 ft/lbs for rifles and 6ft/lbs for pistols; and historic pistols kept at home as part of a collection or kept at a designated historic site and used for non-competitive target practice.

People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force.

You have to be aged 17 or over to have a Firearms Certificate. If you are aged less than 17 you can have a Shotgun Certificate as long as you have your parent's signed permission. You must be aged 17 or over to purchase an airgun and ammunition. If you are aged between 14 and 17 years, you may borrow a gun or have one bought for you by someone aged 17 or over, and you may use it without supervision on private property where you have a right to be. If you are under 14 you may use an airgun on private property but you must be supervised by someone over the age of 21 at all times. It is unlawful for an under-14-year-old to possess a gun and ammunition without supervision.

It is an offence to fire a gun within 50 feet of a roadway, public footpath or bridleway if by doing so any member of the public is endangered. It is an offence to carry a loaded gun in a public place without good reason. An gun may be considered loaded even if the bullets (or pellets in thecase of air rifles) are in a detached magazine.

These were just the rules we had got used to. From 1997, firearm and shotgun certification became more stringent. Among the extra hurdles, people who now apply for Firearms Certificates have to provide two referees, and the police are able to revoke a Firearms Certificate in cases where the holder no longer has a good reason to possess firearms or ammunition.

Certain types of firearm are hard to obtain in Britain without a stringent Home Office licence. These include automatic weapons and most handguns.

The 1997 handgun ban also made buying any gun more difficult. These transactions have to take place face to face rather than by mail-order, as before. The 1997 Firearms (Amendment) Act made it illegal to send to any individual who is not a Registered Firearms Dealer a gun that requires a certificate or any metallic ammunition of .22 calibre and above. This also applies to transfers of ammunition which requires a Firearms Certificate. It does not apply to shotgun cartridges.

Guns can, however, be sent by a Registered Firearms Dealer (i.e. any gun shop) to another RFD. If you buy your guns mail order you will either have to set up a relationship with a friendly local RFD or be prepared to travel. This site will help you find an RFD in every area of the UK.

Not all RFD holders will be happy to accept guns that have been retailed by other dealers and all are perfectly entitled to levy a charge for this service

And I'll guarantee you that there are thousands upon thousands of firearms in Scotland homes that were there before 1997 laws were passed.

soulsinging

MattCameronKicksButt wrote:

What I can't understand is. If people have to go through psycological tests to get a gun permit, why do we here of so many shootings?

who has to go through a psych test to get a gun?

gue_barium

soulsinging wrote:

who has to go through a psych test to get a gun?

Nobody, but some background checks include checks into a history of mental illness, or substance abuse....

MattCameronKicksButt

soulsinging wrote:

who has to go through a psych test to get a gun?

Not in the U.S? I always thought you did! And if not, it's prolly a good idea. This is another reason why!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6662213.stm

soulsinging

MattCameronKicksButt wrote:

Not in the U.S? I always thought you did! And if not, it's prolly a good idea. This is another reason why!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6662213.stm

nope. no psych tests. sometimes you have to have a criminal background check.

MattCameronKicksButt

I'll have to ask my partner about gun laws over here because he has a gun. heheh (Sorry dunk).

Phantom Pain

Heineken Helen wrote:

nope, you are absolutely 100% wrong about that. Most people here my age smoke hash so therefore have some kinda access to drug dealers to get drugs... sure these dealers probably have access to guns but they won't sell THEM to the general public. They want to keep UNDER the radar... last thing they want is some psycho customer killing his wife or a load of shoppers or school kids... absolutely no way! I'm going to have to presume your american for thinking that everyone in the world can get their hand on a gun cos it simply ain't true.

You can't say 100% wrong just because it hasn't happened yet

It can happen anywhere no matter where you live

I think it's NAIVE to think it cannot happen

Phantom Pain

MattCameronKicksButt wrote:

What I can't understand is. If people have to go through psycological tests to get a gun permit, why do we here of so many shootings?

Most people that do these types of things are normal for the most and snap at some point

Or they get the guns illegally, we're not talking about applying for a permit the LEGAL way

If someone goes nuts they get their hands on a gun some way some how

Rygar

PP is more or less right.
If someone wants to get a gun, someone can.

Phantom Pain

dunkman wrote:

thanks... the conversation was about how to acquire guns illegaly but thanks for the tips



here are the reasons why i could never own one legally then:-

To buy a shotgun in Britain you need to hold a Shotgun Certificate, and to buy a rifle you need to hold a Fire Arm Certificate. You can ask for forms for these from your local police station.

Ask also to speak to your local police firearms liaison officer, who will tell you what you need to fill those forms out to his or her satisfaction. They may also want to see a 'good reason' for you wanting a gun, such as membership of a clay shooting club or pest control. They usually want to see that you will keep your gun or guns in a secure place, such as a steel gun cabinet bolted to a wall. You have to store ammunition separately.

A shotgun is described as a smooth-bore gun (not being an air-weapon) which has a barrel not less than 24 inches with a bore diameter not exceeding 2 inches. A firearm usually describes a cartridge-loading, rifled-barrel longarm (rifle) with a barrel not shorter than 300mm. Overall length of the firearm must not be less than 600mm unless it is a muzzle loader. Firearms include: muzzle-loading rifles or pistols; shotguns with a magazine capacity greater than three; airguns with power ratings exceeding 12 ft/lbs for rifles and 6ft/lbs for pistols; and historic pistols kept at home as part of a collection or kept at a designated historic site and used for non-competitive target practice.

People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force.

You have to be aged 17 or over to have a Firearms Certificate. If you are aged less than 17 you can have a Shotgun Certificate as long as you have your parent's signed permission. You must be aged 17 or over to purchase an airgun and ammunition. If you are aged between 14 and 17 years, you may borrow a gun or have one bought for you by someone aged 17 or over, and you may use it without supervision on private property where you have a right to be. If you are under 14 you may use an airgun on private property but you must be supervised by someone over the age of 21 at all times. It is unlawful for an under-14-year-old to possess a gun and ammunition without supervision.

It is an offence to fire a gun within 50 feet of a roadway, public footpath or bridleway if by doing so any member of the public is endangered. It is an offence to carry a loaded gun in a public place without good reason. An gun may be considered loaded even if the bullets (or pellets in thecase of air rifles) are in a detached magazine.

These were just the rules we had got used to. From 1997, firearm and shotgun certification became more stringent. Among the extra hurdles, people who now apply for Firearms Certificates have to provide two referees, and the police are able to revoke a Firearms Certificate in cases where the holder no longer has a good reason to possess firearms or ammunition.

Certain types of firearm are hard to obtain in Britain without a stringent Home Office licence. These include automatic weapons and most handguns.

The 1997 handgun ban also made buying any gun more difficult. These transactions have to take place face to face rather than by mail-order, as before. The 1997 Firearms (Amendment) Act made it illegal to send to any individual who is not a Registered Firearms Dealer a gun that requires a certificate or any metallic ammunition of .22 calibre and above. This also applies to transfers of ammunition which requires a Firearms Certificate. It does not apply to shotgun cartridges.

Guns can, however, be sent by a Registered Firearms Dealer (i.e. any gun shop) to another RFD. If you buy your guns mail order you will either have to set up a relationship with a friendly local RFD or be prepared to travel. This site will help you find an RFD in every area of the UK.

Not all RFD holders will be happy to accept guns that have been retailed by other dealers and all are perfectly entitled to levy a charge for this service

These people that do the killings are not thinking straight

You're not going to worry about any of that if you want to kill random people for no reason

You will find the means regardless

MattCameronKicksButt

Rygar wrote:

PP is more or less right.
If someone wants to get a gun, someone can.

So why do so many people want guns in the States?

Phantom Pain

Rygar wrote:

PP is more or less right.
If someone wants to get a gun, someone can.

Exactly

It doesn't matter what the laws are

These people who want to kill will find a way

Regardless of your Country

Rygar

MattCameronKicksButt wrote:

So why do so many people want guns in the States?

Cause it's their right? Makes 'em feel tough?
Makes them and their family feel protected?
You'd have to ask an American on that one.

Phantom Pain

MattCameronKicksButt wrote:

So why do so many people want guns in the States?

It dates back to the Constitution 'Right to Bear Arms'

It's a huge business first off

The NRA (National Rifle Association) over here is very powerful politically hence the reason gun laws wont change anytime soon

Most times its for recreation (ie. gun ranges, target practice,gun collector) or protection sadly

MattCameronKicksButt

Phantom Pain wrote:

It dates back to the Constitution 'Right to Bear Arms'

It's a huge business first off

The NRA (National Rifle Association) over here is very powerful politically hence the reason gun laws wont change anytime soon

Most times its for recreation (ie. gun ranges, target practice,gun collector) or protection sadly

I know that. It just doesn't make sense to me.