Looking for details about PJ's previous live taping and sharing policy

hbrowne

wolfbear wrote:

Things are definitely different with the EV boots/shows, but it certainly was well publicized. No recordings, no cameras, period. We may never know why.
I'm with others here though, that I love your blog and hope you continue it.

Thanks wolfbear and others. Oh, I'll absolutely keep up the blog itself, this just makes me feel like I don't want to write about Vedder & Co for a while, definitely not post any music of any sort from them. Which is a shame because I have so enjoyed doing it in the past.

Not saying I won't, just saying last night I certainly thought about it. Boo.

HB

Get_Right

hbrowne wrote:

It seems EV may be leading up for a commercial release of his current touring, and as such they are actively expunging the web of all traces of fan recordings.

I dont know this for a fact, but I think it has to do with the songs being licensed/commissioned for a movie put out by a studio. I am guessing that studio/producers may be entitled to a percentage of the soundtrack sales and for that reason, are strictly enforcing the what ever intellectual property rights they have in the songs.

just a guess, but it explains the rabid enforcement-its a hollywood deal

Get_Right

augustwest wrote:

said before and ill say it again...this whole situation has nothing to do with ev doing cover tunes and/or rights to itw songs...and no one will be able to convince me otherwise(go ahead and try)

also worth noting is that ev shows and pj shows are a different thing completely...last i checked 10c was not sending cease and desist orders to audio pj 2008 shows posted on dime and other torrents sites...UNLIKE ev shows that got posted to the www

see, this is exactly why I think it has to do with the rights to the ITW songs

Kat

I'm just going to offer something for consideration...and it may not be far off...or off at all.

Close your eyes for just a moment and imagine yourself up on that stage with all those camera "eyes" on you, pointing at you, not your face, a machine recording everything...every movement...every word...good and not so good. If you feel that you could still do that and intimately connect with your audience, your long-time "friends" who have come to see you, then I don't quite understand...I sure couldn't. Just a thought I wanted to share.

It's nice to read the comments of those who felt that they did participate in an intimate show...I didn't get to see an Ed solo show so your Fanviews in Given To Fly (live) mean a great deal to me personally. Thanks...and I hope people can try to understand. Nothing changed for the 2008 Pearl Jam tour...lots of camera flashes going off there.

Speaking only for myself,
Love,
Kat

Federico

crystal clear to me

norm

Kat wrote:

I'm just going to offer something for consideration...and it may not be far off...or off at all.

Close your eyes for just a moment and imagine yourself up on that stage with all those camera "eyes" on you, pointing at you, not your face, a machine recording everything...every movement...every word...good and not so good. If you feel that you could still do that and intimately connect with your audience, your long-time "friends" who have come to see you, then I don't quite understand...I sure couldn't. Just a thought I wanted to share.

It's nice to read the comments of those who felt that they did participate in an intimate show...I didn't get to see an Ed solo show so your Fanviews in Given To Fly (live) mean a great deal to me personally. Thanks...and I hope people can try to understand. Nothing changed for the 2008 Pearl Jam tour...lots of camera flashes going off there.

Speaking only for myself,
Love,
Kat

it's too bad you didn't see any ev solo shows....what you're talking about, the "intimacy" is correct.....i believe ed just wanted people to go to the shows and experience the music together

as for recordings, i'm not gonna deny that i'm glad people did and i was able to locate them but if there weren't any i wouldn't complain that the shows couldn't be recorded....ed didn't want pictures or recordings for his solo shows....that should be respected

Get_Right

Kat wrote:

Close your eyes for just a moment and imagine yourself up on that stage with all those camera "eyes" on you, pointing at you, not your face, a machine recording everything...every movement...every word...good and not so good. If you feel that you could still do that and intimately connect with your audience, your long-time "friends" who have come to see you, then I don't quite understand...I sure couldn't. Just a thought I wanted to share.


Speaking only for myself,
Love,
Kat

thanks for the post and sorry you didn't get to see a solo show
that explains the no phones/cameras policy, they ARE a major distraction to some of us fans too.

but it doesnt really speak to the treatment of the recordings after the fact

augustwest

the vic show did not get released officially yet there were recordings everywhere afterwards(like many concerts) and thank GOD for those fan made audience bootlegs. mostly because i couldn't attend, I desperately(yes i said desperately) wanted to hear what went down. so I question all PJ fans who love EV but don't have any EV recordings because they chose not to seek them out because it would be breaking the rules. how do you do that exactly?? i needed the vic right away...just as i did when those west coast ev shows started to surface.

maybe im a bad fan for wanting to hear those ev shows and breaking the rules...i certainly feel for those who didn't get to see a EV show...how else would they get to experience that "intimacy", that we all shared, if it wasn't for the audience bootlegs?

kat have you not heard EV doing long may you run? omg how do you not want to hear that? lol

i find it hard to believe that EV said no recordings and actually thinking people would not record. this from a once self possessed stealth taper! surely he had to know...

the camera/flash issue is another thing entirely. 2 separate issues.

i would also have a hard time believing any studio would sue EV cause he chooses to play his film songs that he wrote, live in concert and people recorded them. maybe we wont get official bootlegs because of the licensing nightmare but to aggressively take down live bootleg torrents cause a handful of songs from a film are being played/recorded seems far fetched. but maybe EV is really scared of some film company telling him what he can and cant do with his own songs/performances.

Get_Right

augustwest wrote:

i would also have a hard time believing any studio would sue EV cause he chooses to play his film songs that he wrote, live in concert and people recorded them. maybe we wont get official bootlegs because of the licensing nightmare but to aggressively take down live bootleg torrents cause a handful of songs from a film are being played/recorded seems far fetched. but maybe EV is really scared of some film company telling him what he can and cant do with his own songs/performances.

Ed may have the right to play them, but yet he may not have the right to allow file sharing due to the licensing of the songs to the soundtrack.

And you find it far fetched that a studio would be asking for unauthorized recordings of the songs they paid for-in order to sell movie tickets and the soundtrack-be taken down? Not far fetched at all.

I will admit that it is odd the 10c is the one that is making the requests that the files be taken down.

wolfbear

augustwest wrote:

the camera/flash issue is another thing entirely. 2 separate issues.

I totally agree with this. Cameras can be very invasive and annoying, but with a taper, you never even know about it.

julienova

hbrowne wrote:

Thanks wolfbear and others. Oh, I'll absolutely keep up the blog itself, this just makes me feel like I don't want to write about Vedder & Co for a while, definitely not post any music of any sort from them. Which is a shame because I have so enjoyed doing it in the past.

Not saying I won't, just saying last night I certainly thought about it. Boo.

HB

Hey Heather, I've been a fan of your blog for ages, probably since it was new, I think. Anyway, don't get discouraged, this one tour is different. They have ceased and desisted *everything*. YouTube videos have been cease and desisted almost immediately, but other Pearl Jam stuff is left alone.

I don't think it is a $$$ thing, it definitely seems to be a control issue, and yeah 10C is pretty rigorously enforcing. Like worse than Jeff Buckley's estate enforcing. It *really* sticks in my DC DIY craw to have a video of Brendan Canty pulled off of YouTube, but it is what it is.

hopethatuchoke

Get_Right wrote:

Ed may have the right to play them, but yet he may not have the right to allow file sharing due to the licensing of the songs to the soundtrack.

And you find it far fetched that a studio would be asking for unauthorized recordings of the songs they paid for-in order to sell movie tickets and the soundtrack-be taken down? Not far fetched at all.

I will admit that it is odd the 10c is the one that is making the requests that the files be taken down.

So you think Ed would get sued because his fans taped the show? Nah, that has nothing to do with it. Bogus theory.

2LightYears

Point of law - It's got nothing to do with the movie studio and the soundtrack issue - you cannot claim copyright to someone else's public performance, that is, they couldn't sue you for acting out the movie in a school auditorium, even if you sold tickets, etc.

Get_Right

hopethatuchoke wrote:

So you think Ed would get sued because his fans taped the show? Nah, that has nothing to do with it. Bogus theory.

I never said he would get sued, all might have something to do with the movie deal/soundtrack. Its the first time Ed did a complete soundtrack for a major hollywood film, and the first time the 10c is asking people to take stuff down-I really don't think its a coincidence or that EV has suddenly had a change of heart regarding boots.

Get_Right

2LightYears wrote:

Point of law - It's got nothing to do with the movie studio and the soundtrack issue - you cannot claim copyright to someone else's public performance, that is, they couldn't sue you for acting out the movie in a school auditorium, even if you sold tickets, etc.

rebuttal-they are not making a claim as to the public performance, but rather the sharing of digital recordings/files containing copyrighted/licensed material.
just saying, again, I dont think anyone gonna get sued, including EV or the people, but dont you think its more than a coincidence that this is the first time the 10c is asking people to take the boots down? You think EV has suddenly decided that people cant record or trade shows once they are no longer for sale? Doubt it. But then again, its just a theory.

augustwest

so these big multi zillion dollar studios are now all of sudden asking the the artists to become online watchdogs about any movie songs that might show up on torrent sites...UMMMMM

hmmm i would have thought they'd be much more concerned about entire movies that a few songs here and there

is ev a pawn for the studio and/or do you really think he cares that much about about the movie industry and THEIR problems? i don't

Get_Right

augustwest wrote:

so these big multi zillion dollar studios are now all of sudden asking the the artists to become online watchdogs about any movie songs that might show up on torrent sites...UMMMMM

hmmm i would have thought they'd be much more concerned about entire movies that a few songs here and there

thats the one part I said was odd, that the 10c is doing the policing.

augustwest wrote:

is ev a pawn for the studio and/or do you really think he cares that much about about the movie industry and THEIR problems? i don't

It may be even simpler than that. Perhaps he agreed not to distribute/sell live recordings of the songs on the soundtrack for a given period of time. Perhaps he is simply honoring that agreement-for which he was probably paid a substantial sum of money. I dont really know.

It just seems unlikey that ev suddenly, after all these years, had a change of heart about the recording of shows and sharing of boots. There has to be another reason. Be nice if it was because he is going to release a box set of shows or, even better, a DVD.

augustwest

Get_Right wrote:

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It just seems unlikey that ev suddenly, after all these years, had a change of heart about the recording of shows and sharing of boots. There has to be another reason. Be nice if it was because he is going to release a box set of shows or, even better, a DVD.

what some people(not necessarily you) need to realize is that the only people who actually hunt down bootleg live recordings of torrents are already fans. they already have all the official cds and tshirts and concert ticket stubs...so taking down live torrents and youtube videos only hurt the loyal fans....so ev's possible excuse that he doesnt want the live recordings traded because of a possible pending live bootleg box set still won't hurt sales of that item at all. almost everyone who hunts down live ev bootlegs will buy his official live2008 box set.

covered in bliss

Get_Right wrote:

It may be even simpler than that.quote]

it's so simple, most people find it impossible to grasp.

"No recording of any kind" actually means NO RECORDING OF ANY KIND.

You put it up, it's coming down.

Most 5 year olds can figure it out....

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