Lazy ways of debating on the pit

Heineken Helen

Just a few I've picked up on in the past couple of days:

'Your opinion is null cos you've never experienced it.'

'You said something bad about America, therefore you hate America and take every opportunity to bash it... I mean why else would you say something bad'

EVERYBODY'S opinions are valid... and sometimes an outsider can tell you more about a situation than somebody who's in it so don't knock it

Anyway, I know there's a few more... and it'll come back to me I'm sure. Any more?

stylo17

Heineken Helen wrote:

Just a few I've picked up on in the past couple of days:

'Your opinion is null cos you've never experienced it.'

'You said something bad about America, therefore you hate America and take every opportunity to bash it... I mean why else would you say something bad'

EVERYBODY'S opinions are valid... and sometimes an outsider can tell you more about a situation than somebody who's in it so don't knock it

Anyway, I know there's a few more... and it'll come back to me I'm sure. Any more?

you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Sian-of-the-dead

stylo17 wrote:

you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

:eek:

*runs for cover*

stylo17

Sian-of-the-dead wrote:

:eek:

*runs for cover*

hahaha I should. but I know Ms. Heineken knows I'm pulling her leg

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

'Your opinion is null cos you've never experienced it.'

i'll go with this one... if i start a thread asking 'parents.. how would you deal with this situation' and then give a scenario that requires some form of reprimand to the child...

1. i only want the viewpoint of a parent...

2. i dont care if you're an aunt or uncle or you have 14 cousins under the age of 4.

if someone who has no children comes onto that thread and says "you should do [whatever]" then, to me, 'your opinion is null cos you've never experienced it' is a fitting phrase.

its like when there was a thread about spanking... people were just coming onto it and saying "yeah thats whats wrong with society.. kids need spanked" and yet they've never spanked a fucking kid...

but this whole 'expert' thing that is flying around here at the moment is kinda shit... if someone starts a thread about 'whats the best way to cook a steak' then anyone thats cooked a meal will offer their expert opinion... but a thread about hitting a 4 year old kid deserves and needs the opinion of actual parents... not some amateur chef know-it-all.

i kinda lost my train of thought there

Heineken Helen

stylo17 wrote:

hahaha I should. but I know Ms. Heineken knows I'm pulling her leg

ya sure about that? Bloody American

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

i'll go with this one... if i start a thread asking 'parents.. how would you deal with this situation' and then give a scenario that requires some form of reprimand to the child...

1. i only want the viewpoint of a parent...

2. i dont care if you're an aunt or uncle or you have 14 cousins under the age of 4.

if someone who has no children comes onto that thread and says "you should do [whatever]" then, to me, 'your opinion is null cos you've never experienced it' is a fitting phrase.

its like when there was a thread about spanking... people were just coming onto it and saying "yeah thats whats wrong with society.. kids need spanked" and yet they've never spanked a fucking kid...

but this whole 'expert' thing that is flying around here at the moment is kinda shit... if someone starts a thread about 'whats the best way to cook a steak' then anyone thats cooked a meal will offer their expert opinion... but a thread about hitting a 4 year old kid deserves and needs the opinion of actual parents... not some amateur chef know-it-all.

i kinda lost my train of thought there

Lazy point and patronising point too. It's us childless people who have to deal with all the delinquint kids of bad parents... it's easier for us to give advice cos we're not the ones in the situation who clearly have no idea how to deal with it... cos they're looking for advice :cool:

brain of c

there's always room for jello.

stylo17

dunkman wrote:

i'll go with this one... if i start a thread asking 'parents.. how would you deal with this situation' and then give a scenario that requires some form of reprimand to the child...

1. i only want the viewpoint of a parent...

2. i dont care if you're an aunt or uncle or you have 14 cousins under the age of 4.

if someone who has no children comes onto that thread and says "you should do [whatever]" then, to me, 'your opinion is null cos you've never experienced it' is a fitting phrase.

its like when there was a thread about spanking... people were just coming onto it and saying "yeah thats whats wrong with society.. kids need spanked" and yet they've never spanked a fucking kid...

but this whole 'expert' thing that is flying around here at the moment is kinda shit... if someone starts a thread about 'whats the best way to cook a steak' then anyone thats cooked a meal will offer their expert opinion... but a thread about hitting a 4 year old kid deserves and needs the opinion of actual parents... not some amateur chef know-it-all.

i kinda lost my train of thought there

but what if you've been spanked? wouldn't that persons experience be just as valid? maybe it worked, maybe it didn't. they could show some insight too. you get what I'm saying?? I agree with what you're saying, some people ARE too opinionated and instead of just throwing in their 2 cents (which I have no problem with), they throw in the whole piggy bank.

Heineken Helen

stylo17 wrote:

but what if you've been spanked? wouldn't that persons experience be just as valid? maybe it worked, maybe it didn't. they could show some insight too. you get what I'm saying?? I agree with what you're saying, some people ARE too opinionated and instead of just throwing in their 2 cents (which I have no problem with), they throw in the whole piggy bank.

Your opinion is null... you've never spanked a child so you don't know how it feels to spank, rather than be spanked, cos it's all about the parent ya know

stylo17

Heineken Helen wrote:

Your opinion is null... you've never spanked a child so you don't know how it feels to spank, rather than be spanked, cos it's all about the parent ya know

okay I understand the perspective now. it's hard for a parent to spank a child, even it's something that has to be done. understood.

carry on

catefrances

Heineken Helen wrote:

Lazy point and patronising point too. It's us childless people who have to deal with all the delinquint kids of bad parents... it's easier for us to give advice cos we're not the ones in the situation who clearly have no idea how to deal with it... cos they're looking for advice :cool:

and what advice would you give a mother who is so close to her wits end that the mere sound of her child crying is enough to make her feel murderous and/or the first tear of totally losing it.
oh and btw im with dunk if youre not a parent then what would you know. tis so great to be able to sit back and waffle. not that i'd know cause clearly i'm not one for waffling.

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

Lazy point and patronising point too. It's us childless people who have to deal with all the delinquint kids of bad parents... it's easier for us to give advice cos we're not the ones in the situation who clearly have no idea how to deal with it... cos they're looking for advice :cool:

its not patronising... its parentising.

and your bit in bold is nonsense.

as is the rest actually... its easier for you to give me advice about the disciplining of my kid because i clearly have no idea how to deal with it?

now thats patronising.

Hinny

Heineken Helen wrote:

'You said something bad about America, therefore you hate America and take every opportunity to bash it... I mean why else would you say something bad'

In my experiences with people, I find that Americans are especially more likely to jump to defending it if it's an outsider making a criticism. Once said outsider shuts up, generalised American guy will then proceed to pick out the smallest detail about American life and complain about it to another American, and make good points about these micro-topics that an outsider probably won't even grasp. And it's all fair game so long as it's not an outsider making the criticism.

Heineken Helen

catefrances wrote:

and what advice would you give a mother who is so close to her wits end that the mere sound of her child crying is enough to make her feel murderous and/or the first tear of totally losing it.
oh and btw im with dunk if youre not a parent then what would you know. tis so great to be able to sit back and waffle. not that i'd know cause clearly i'm not one for waffling.

Of course I would know... I have close friends with kids. The only 'advice' to give them is help. If you can't give help, suggest where they can get it. If you're feeling murderous towards your child or towards ANYONE (I've felt that before) you need to either get away from the situation or get some help. That's pretty obvious to anyone! Anyone can give that advice... if you ask what to do when your kid starts asking about sex, I probably can't help you there... but I can tell you not to kill your kid :cool:

dunkman

stylo17 wrote:

but what if you've been spanked? wouldn't that persons experience be just as valid? maybe it worked, maybe it didn't. they could show some insight too. you get what I'm saying?? I agree with what you're saying, some people ARE too opinionated and instead of just throwing in their 2 cents (which I have no problem with), they throw in the whole piggy bank.

nope... as they have no idea what it was like for their parents to spank them.

they are experts on what its like to be spanked but not experts on spanking their own children.. cos they have none

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

its not patronising... its parentising. : p

and your bit in bold is nonsense.

as is the rest actually... its easier for you to give me advice about the disciplining of my kid because i clearly have no idea how to deal with it?

now thats patronising. : D

If you're looking for advice, it's cos you don't know what to do... why else would you be asking?

You think childless people don't have to deal with kids in some shape or form on a daily basis? what planet are you from? It's your job to teach your kids about society and how to find their place... if you fail, who do you think suffers? Pretty much anyone!

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

nope... as they have no idea what it was like for their parents to spank them.

they are experts on what its like to be spanked but not experts on spanking their own children.. cos they have none

Exactly... it's all about the parents and how THEY feel I KNEW IT

stylo17

dunkman wrote:

nope... as they have no idea what it was like for their parents to spank them.

they are experts on what its like to be spanked but not experts on spanking their own children.. cos they have none

yea I didn't REALLY get where you were coming from. now I do.

JordyWordy

Heineken Helen wrote:

Just a few I've picked up on in the past couple of days:

'Your opinion is null cos you've never experienced it.'

'You said something bad about America, therefore you hate America and take every opportunity to bash it... I mean why else would you say something bad'

EVERYBODY'S opinions are valid... and sometimes an outsider can tell you more about a situation than somebody who's in it so don't knock it

Anyway, I know there's a few more... and it'll come back to me I'm sure. Any more?

nice compilation HH,
another good one was
"You're Irish, so you cant relate understand why Jewish people would be sensitive to the Holocaust"

that really got me going when i read it! ...a truly profound argument!

Heineken Helen

Hinny wrote:

In my experiences with people, I find that Americans are especially more likely to jump to defending it if it's an outsider making a criticism. Once said outsider shuts up, generalised American guy will then proceed to pick out the smallest detail about American life and complain about it to another American, and make good points about these micro-topics that an outsider probably won't even grasp. And it's all fair game so long as it's not an outsider making the criticism.

True! But also, if you claim that your country is the best, strongest, richest, baddest country in the whole wide world... and you can't even defend that without resorting to the usual 'you hate America' well you're not doing yourself OR America any favours.

Heineken Helen

JordyWordy wrote:

nice compilation HH,
another good one was
"You're Irish, so you cant relate understand why Jewish people would be sensitive to the Holocaust"

that really got me going when i read it! ...a truly profound argument!

LMFAO... ah dear! There are some classics here indeed... I know there's some BIG ones I'm missing out. Soulsinging used to be the master of lazy debating!

But yeh, I sit back and wait for somebody to say why the statement you quoted is, in fact, true!

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

Exactly... it's all about the parents and how THEY feel I KNEW IT

course it is.

if i start a thread "parents: should i spank my kids" then i want fucking parents to answer... i dont want people who were spanked as a kid coming on it and saying .. oh it never done me any harm... as it clearly did... they cant read the fucking thread title which clearly states PARENTS... so them saying its done no harm is bullshit... they cant read for a start

i also dont want 4 year old children coming onto my thread... so it obviously about the parents... i fail to see your point.

catefrances

Heineken Helen wrote:

True! But also, if you claim that your country is the best, strongest, richest, baddest country in the whole wide world... and you can't even defend that without resorting to the usual 'you hate America' well you're not doing yourself OR America any favours.

i can only claim my country as the best in the world. not the biggest, richest, strongest or baddest.

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

course it is.

if i start a thread "parents: should i spank my kids" then i want fucking parents to answer... i dont want people who were spanked as a kid coming on it and saying .. oh it never done me any harm... as it clearly did... they cant read the fucking thread title which clearly states PARENTS... so them saying its done no harm is bullshit... they cant read for a start

i also dont want 4 year old children coming onto my thread... so it obviously about the parents... i fail to see your point.

Well as a childless empty hole of a woman you and other parents will be dead long before your kids (hopefully) so I'm more concerned about how your kids turn out to be... not what the psychological effect of spanking your kid will be on YOU

catefrances

Heineken Helen wrote:

Of course I would know... I have close friends with kids. The only 'advice' to give them is help. If you can't give help, suggest where they can get it. If you're feeling murderous towards your child or towards ANYONE (I've felt that before) you need to either get away from the situation or get some help. That's pretty obvious to anyone! Anyone can give that advice... if you ask what to do when your kid starts asking about sex, I probably can't help you there... but I can tell you not to kill your kid :cool:

pfft. :rolleyes. i have friends who are christian but as an atheist i have no idea what that experience is like.

Heineken Helen

catefrances wrote:

i can only claim my country as the best in the world. not the biggest, richest, strongest or baddest.

See, I can also claim my country is the best in the world and I've millions of points to back that up not just that anyone who disagrees dislikes Ireland... cos I know that's not true! They couldn't possibly :cool:

Hinny

Heineken Helen wrote:

See, I can also claim my country is the best in the world and I've millions of points to back that up not just that anyone who disagrees dislikes Ireland... cos I know that's not true! They couldn't possibly :cool:

The awesomeness of the people in Ireland more than compensates for the weather and the food.

Heineken Helen

catefrances wrote:

pfft. :rolleyes. i have friends who are christian but as an atheist i have no idea what that experience is like.

well that's fine! I'm not saying I know EVERYTHING about everything I haven't experienced or even about those I have. There are plenty of things I've never experienced that I can't even begin to imagine cos it's completely outside my world... kids and parents are IN my world!

catefrances

Heineken Helen wrote:

See, I can also claim my country is the best in the world and I've millions of points to back that up not just that anyone who disagrees dislikes Ireland... cos I know that's not true! They couldn't possibly :cool:

ok go.

millions? you irish truly do have the gift of the blarney.

Heineken Helen

Hinny wrote:

The awesomeness of the people in Ireland more than compensates for the weather and the food.

I agree!

Hey, what was wrong with the food? :eek:

Actually, did we eat at all? Oh shite, I'm the worst host in the world