coke?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

I have lost a few good friends to heroin and a few more are probably better off dead instead of the herion induced zombie state they live in. It's a fucked up drug and it puzzles me to death why people still attempt to dabble with it knowing how addictive and destructive it can be.

People don't realize the problem kicking hard drugs like heroin, meth, coke, is not just physically kicking the habit, but coming to terms and coping with the person you've become afterwards (without the drug). Depending how deep one goes, even after the physical addiction is broken, it's still a lifelong psychological struggle, and you never really return to the person you once were. It's a seriously bad deal. Life wrecking.

iamsampj

i've seen it ruin a loved one's life....no way that i'd ever touch the stuff! i'll just never understand how she afforded that shit...unless she was lying to cover up using something else?!

Kann

even flow? wrote:

When you are around people on coke you can only hear the same story over, and over, and over again.

like alcohol, but without the slurring.
boring and expensive drug, I still don't understand the hype. Alcohol is more fun!

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

People don't realize the problem kicking hard drugs like heroin, meth, coke, is not just physically kicking the habit, but coming to terms and coping with the person you've become afterwards (without the drug). Depending how deep one goes, even after the physical addiction is broken, it's still a lifelong psychological struggle, and you never really return to the person you once were. It's a seriously bad deal. Life wrecking.

Trust me I know. I have seen the damage hard drugs has done to several people in my life. My very first girlfriend back in high school dropped off the face of the earth while I was in college a few years later I had heard she was in pretty bad shape. Then no more news about her. About 2 years ago I was down the shore at a bar with some friends and I ran into her. She was a fucking mess. This used to be a really attractive girl. Tall with an athlete beautfull figure. When I saw her she was gaunt, her skin looked fucking grey, and her eyes where sucken into her head. She didn't even recognize me at first. When she finally did she ask me if I could spare a couple of bucks because she "lost her wallet". It fucking hurt to see someone I had known since kindergarten and even after we had are high school romance still remained best of friends begging like some crack whore just to get her next fix. I told her I had no cash but I would take her to get something to eat, and put it on my credit card, she got all pissed off and stormed away. The last I heard, from a friend who is a cop, is that she was busted for prostitution.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

Trust me I know. I have seen the damage hard drugs has done to several people in my life. My very first girlfriend back in high school dropped off the face of the earth while I was in college a few years later I had heard she was in pretty bad shape. Then no more news about her. About 2 years ago I was down the shore at a bar with some friends and I ran into her. She was a fucking mess. This used to be a really attractive girl. Tall with an athlete beautfull figure. When I saw her she was gaunt, her skin looked fucking grey, and her eyes where sucken into her head. She didn't even recognize me at first. When she finally did she ask me if I could spare a couple of bucks because she "lost her wallet". It fucking hurt to see someone I had known since kindergarten and even after we had are high school romance still remained best of friends begging like some crack whore just to get her next fix. I told her I had no cash but I would take her to get something to eat, and put it on my credit card, she got all pissed off and stormed away. The last I heard, from a friend who is a cop, is that she was busted for prostitution.

Just reading that gives me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. I feel bad for the ones that get lost and can't find a way climb out...what a nightmare.

soulsinging

Heineken Helen wrote:

You obviously didn't speak to ANYBODY? :eek:

Seriously... pretty much everyone my age smoke... ALL of my good friends smoke at least one a day... a few of them smoke them like cigarettes. Next time you're here, bring up the subject, chances are they smoke... if not regularly at least the odd time.

we were asking, and nobody had any clue where to get it. they said hash is easier to come by but even that we only saw once.

soulsinging

Heineken Helen wrote:

Thank you and I'm sorry to hear about all that.

And those who think it's glamourous because of films like goodfellas, etc. obviously didn't watch the film too closely

(not a swipe at you soulsinging, i understand that once something is common in films especially with gangsters, it's kinda considered glamourous)

not sure why id take that as a swipe at me. my experiences with coke were firsthand, not via movies. i actually don't care for the coke movies... blow and goodfellas are 2 movies my friends love but i could take or leave them. i just thought it was fun the few times i dabbled. undoubtedly it can really destroy people and i imagine it would be annoying being around people doing it when you're not (which is why i asked about hanging out with them). but then, who likes to be around ANYONE that's using anything when they're not? i don't like hanging out with potheads or drunks either. not becos what they do is wrong, just becos im on a different wavelength and it makes it awkward.

Jeremy1012

mammasan wrote:

Trust me I know. I have seen the damage hard drugs has done to several people in my life. My very first girlfriend back in high school dropped off the face of the earth while I was in college a few years later I had heard she was in pretty bad shape. Then no more news about her. About 2 years ago I was down the shore at a bar with some friends and I ran into her. She was a fucking mess. This used to be a really attractive girl. Tall with an athlete beautfull figure. When I saw her she was gaunt, her skin looked fucking grey, and her eyes where sucken into her head. She didn't even recognize me at first. When she finally did she ask me if I could spare a couple of bucks because she "lost her wallet". It fucking hurt to see someone I had known since kindergarten and even after we had are high school romance still remained best of friends begging like some crack whore just to get her next fix. I told her I had no cash but I would take her to get something to eat, and put it on my credit card, she got all pissed off and stormed away. The last I heard, from a friend who is a cop, is that she was busted for prostitution.

That's really brutal. Shit like that scares me a lot, though I don't write off the use of any drugs without trying it. I think you need to know what you are talking about before you can comment on it, as you clearly do. The weird thing is, some people really can use stuff like coke for long periods of time and never get messed up like that. I personally know several people who have but then I also know people who have been messed up. It's all about who you are as a person.

mammasan

Jeremy1012 wrote:

That's really brutal. Shit like that scares me a lot, though I don't write off the use of any drugs without trying it. I think you need to know what you are talking about before you can comment on it, as you clearly do. The weird thing is, some people really can use stuff like coke for long periods of time and never get messed up like that. I personally know several people who have but then I also know people who have been messed up. It's all about who you are as a person.

That was just one story from one friend. In total I have lost 4 friends to herion addiction, one blew his brains out the other 3 overdosed. An old classmate of mine was homeless the last time I heard, he was a huge coke fiend. A second classmate from grammer school is in prison for a string of robberies to help feed his addiction to coke. Then there is my ex girlfriend that I mentioned in my post and a forth friend who just keeps repeating the cycle of rehap followed by going back out for sometime and then back to rehab. There are 3 or 4 more old high school and grammer school classmates, some who where good friends while we where in school, who have completely dropped off the face of the earth. I honestly don't know if they are dead or alive or even if they managed to get their lives back together. Most of these people I grew up with but they decided to follow a different path than I did and ended up in the fucked up situations they are in now. I truely feel sorry for them and when I do see them, which is not very often, my heart sinks. I desperately want to help them but unfortunetly their addictions have complete control of them and they are not able or willing to get the necessary help. I feel that in a few years this death count will probably go up as more of them succumb to their addictions.

Get_Right

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STAY AWAY FOM THE POWDERS PEOPLE!!!!!!!

Im all for a little experimentation, EXCEPT the powders.

eyedclaar

All things in moderation, people. There are more people ruining their lives and killing themselves (and others) with nicotine and alcohol than all the other drugs combined and those two drugs are legal.

I know way, way more people who have used coke and not wound up with a problem than I do those who did. In fact, almost always the issue is with the person not the drug that causes abuse. Drugs are just a good excuse to not deal with whatever the real problem is but obviously chemical abuse compounds things.

I've tried every substance known to man and the only thing I come back to is booze and weed.

sweet adeline

coke can be fun, but only for about an hour. then when its not doing the trick anymore, all you can think about is doing more.

and like tom petty said, "coming down, is the hardest thing."

xscorcho

Heineken Helen wrote:

:eek: heroin? Ya serious? Have you seen night of the living dead? That's what certain parts of dublin can be like. I understand that it's kinda glamourised a bit over there from previous threads? It's far from glamourised here... it's just a total waste of a life I think whenever I see a junkie

im not actually gonna do any of them..... i just cant see myself taking an upper... i think id go crazy...... i had an internship at a drug counseling center when i studied in scotland and most of the ppl were on heroin... it was depressing to see what had happened in their lives.... but as far as the feeling of when youre actually on the drug... yeah, id pick heroin. and i dont think its galmourised in america (if thats what you mean by over there lol)

Heineken Helen

soulsinging wrote:

we were asking, and nobody had any clue where to get it. they said hash is easier to come by but even that we only saw once.

ahhh... you're talking about weed? Yeh, that's not so easy to come by here... but everyone smokes hash.



And those of you who say that coke's ok taken in moderation, consider THIS story:

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/1204/breaking49.htm

That party was a couple of weeks ago... weekend coke users, not addicts but just taking some cos there was a party... 15 people ended up in hospital afterwards and two of them in a coma, the first of whom died yesterday, only 21, already beaten testicular cancer

Yes, alcohol and cigarettes may be more addictive and cause more deaths BUT you know what you're taking. I've never heard of anyone dying from a 'bad cigarette' or from a 'bad pint'. Perhaps it's happened, I dunno but I've read that coke is only 36% pure HERE (percentages are different in every country and I believe Ireland is particularly low) so even if it's 90% you've no idea what the other 1% you're putting up your nose is.

sponger

Cocaine-induced convos tend to be self-absorbed and accommodating towards delusions of grandjeur. They're extensions of what the user is feeling, which is generally a focus on him/her self and whatever alternate reality that he/she is currently nursing. And, as is common knowledge, people who are self-absorbed and pre-occupied with a perception of their own greatness are infamously boring conversationalists.

Ahnimus

When cocaine arrives at the brain reward system, it blocks the dopamine transport sites, which are responsible for the reuptake of dopamine in dopaminergic synapeses in this region. Therefore, dopamine is not removed from the synaptic gap, and it remains free there, in ever increasing amounts, because successive nervous stimuli continue to arrive and to release dopamine. The effect remains until cocaine is removed from the presynaptic terminals. It is believed that the abnormally long presence of dopamine in the brain is responsible for the pleasure effects associated to the use of cocaine. The prolonged use of cocaine makes the brain to adapt to it, and the overall synthesis of dopamine by the neurons is decreased. Between cocaine doses, or when the use of cocaine is interrupted, the drug user experiences the opposite of pleasure, due to the low levels of dopamine: fatigue, depression and altered moods.
http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n08/doencas/drugs/anim1_i.htm

prism

well yeah, it WAS the 80's and using cocaine WAS mandatory

seriously though i did do it some. I guess that I was lucky in that i never had much of an addictive personality. I was one of those that could do a few lines and think "well that was fun" and not give a damn when I'd see another line. I haven't touched it since before i got pregnant with my first kid at 21. it quickly lost it's appeal for me and I just didn't see the point in doing it anymore. that probably had alot to do with watching my bf go from being a pretty nice guy to becoming a mean, abusive drunk and cokehead within over a year's time and beyond. he progressed to doing alot of coke, to the point where he was dealing in it order to pay for his habit, and running from his dealers. he would have times where he'd be clean of it for a few months but everytime he'd fall right back into doing it again. then his dad died and left him alot of $. so he literally shoved enough money to buy a nice house up his nose. and of course all of his abusive, nasty behaviors escalated with his coke use. it was too brutal to take and too heartbreaking to watch him continue to do to himself. I finally got my kids and myself away from him and never looked back.
I watched first-hand as coke (and booze as well) turned a fairly nice guy into a fucking monster so no one can ever convince me that there could ever be anything positive about that shit. :(

nothingman44

i like diet coke

JordyWordy

xscorcho wrote:

i had an internship at a drug counseling center when i studied in scotland and most of the ppl were on heroin... it was depressing to see what had happened in their lives....

i hear that

ive worked in a drug rehab centre (a general clinic but thats one aspect) in west Dublin (in a particularly bad area, young drug usage very common) for about 7 years part-time and we have list of about 40 heroin addicts receiving Methadone treatment at any given time. its just a slow moving line of them who come in, fuck about while meant to be on the treatment, and eventually OD. there are so few who manage to sort themselves out (as discussed earlier)

ive never seen a more useless human being in my life than a heroin addict. they (generally) seem to be incapable of looking after themselves, or caring about anyone else, they lose their kids to social welfare, lose their jobs...ugh its infuriating.

And to Helen, you're right: Coke = Bad. Ecstasy = VERY common in Dublin. Hash= harder to find than it was few years ago. Weed = as comonplace as Dodo's and Leprechauns.

i cant remember how long its been since ive been on a nite out and not seen someone doin pills or lines.

See Bertie made an issue of pointing out that the public should stop buying drugs and funding crime if they want crime rates to go down? Tellin it like it is...

Heineken Helen

JordyWordy wrote:

And to Helen, you're right: Coke = Bad. Ecstasy = VERY common in Dublin. Hash= harder to find than it was few years ago. Weed = as comonplace as Dodo's and Leprechauns.

yeh, I have to admit the guards are doing a pretty good job... anytime there's a big bust, it's impossible for ANYONE to get anything! Not that I find much wrong with hash but I guess that's their job and, regarding drugs, I think they're doing it.

JordyWordy wrote:

See Bertie made an issue of pointing out that the public should stop buying drugs and funding crime if they want crime rates to go down? Tellin it like it is...

I know... how hard is it for people to get this into their heads. Most coke users I know 'wouldn't touch drugs' :rolleyes: and think it's quite innocent and just like alcohol. Most of them don't really like it all that much and just seem to take it cos everyone does. Then when I mention articles in the paper about kids who die just so someone can be a party user they're like 'I really don't wanna know. They give out about the gangs and the killings and everything else but they don't make the connection cos they get their drugs usually off a friend, the line from import to the pub/party seems a LONG one. It's just so simple.