Roger Clemens hearing
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Roger's really backing himself into a corner, isn't he?
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If Bonds is guilty, Clemens is guilty...dumbasses both for denying it.
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If Bonds is guilty, Clemens is guilty...dumbasses both for denying it.
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he's digging himself in deeper with every response.
those proceedings remind me of an ESPN
parody for some reason.
and the u.s is having hearings on steroids ??? wtf?
Is that even a word ?
I thought the questioning on Clemens was pretty good so far
The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
Now he's guilty of Perjury.... nice job Rusty Hardin.
You could have been ridiculously wealthy and probably still a hall of famer with only a slightly tainted legacy in the long run... because so many in this era used. With perjury... good luck. Now you get jail time too or some hefty fines.
Everyone knew he was a liar before this hearing. It was obvious, he was done, that's the whole reason the Red Sox let him go in the first place... He's more of a dickhead (kind of like Pete Rose) for blatently lying about it for all this time and in the manner he has lied about it.
you can put the people dying overseas concerns in a moving train. this is about roger's hearing.
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still bitter about the pats i see
I think if he came clean from the beginning like Pettite did this would all have went away
People are forgiving so to speak with this stuff, if he admitted it from the beginning he would have probably still gotten into the HOF
Look how Mcgwire is being treated by his BS appearance with Congress
The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
Yup, you must have got me there.
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Steroids are bad, obviously due to the side-effects and unfair advantages, but keep in mind also that these folks submit their bodies to increased wear and tear than is probably normal. They also subject themselves to a greater chance of injury than the average person. Is it wrong that they use steroids to help recover from injury.
But where do you draw the line? tough call imo.
As for lying and whatnot...that's his choice, and I feel bad for him if he's doing it under oath. It seems people are more concerned about lying than what the person is lying about (see: Clinton impeachment crap). If you're going to back a person into a corner on an issue, you can't expect them to make the best decisions about how they respond.
Definately, the guy was a fantastic pitcher before 1997. 1993-1996 it's pretty obvious he was declining, then he suddenly is back to around the level he was pitching at previously....I feel the same way about Bonds. Great player, deserving of the HOF certainly.... just enhanced by drugs. I don't blame them. Hell there is HUGE money in it. Ticket prices reflect it. Just tell the freaking truth like Pettite did early on when they catch you. Much like Michael Vick, nothing is good for Roger in this situation. It's pretty obvious he feels like he's above the law. Very good pitcher, but he's only what he is now because of performance enhancers. Greatest of all time... nope.
its all about the hall of fame
Mack took the fifth and is not going to get in the hall
this is all about RC trying to save face for the hall
but man is he getting bad legal advice
True, but if Roger admitted he did it when the Mitchell Report came out and said he made a mistake and asked the American Public for forgiveness, he would have gotten it.
He might not have been a first ballot HOFer, but he would have gotten in after a few votes.
By denying everything, it looks like he has thrown everything out the window and going to be left with nothing.
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Mark McGwire.
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Exactly
That's my point
He looks foolish and having that slimey lawyer aint helping him
The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
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unfortunately, thats not the way its working out-fans might forgive him, but the writers would not.
If he admitted it, there would be an outcry to give his cy youngs to those that did not use the juice. Then he is tarnished and would not get into the hall of fame.
He is protecting the legacy he built (even if it was juiced). The cards come tumbling down if he fesses up.
nonsense since 10am
But from what I have heard so far, Clemens is looking great.
My Indiana rep, gave that trainer hell. It was great!
I always feel so badly for people that have the curtain lifted on their immortality or stardom. Not just for the person, but the admirers, as well.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
All this talk of Clemen's buttocks makes me fear they'll ask him where he was shot--a la Forrest Gump meeting the President.
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I disagree. The writers might punish him for a few years. But pre HGH he was still an excellent pitcher on his way to the HOF, much like Bonds was. He was 192-111 with 2,590 ks and 3 Cy Youngs. Just that total alone puts Clemens at 23rd all time in strikeouts.
Some writers would never vote for Clemens, but enough writers eventually would when they take into consideration just how rampant the era was.
It might have taken 5-10 years for him to get in, but I feel Clemens would have eventually gotten in.
I think McGwire will never get in because of his I refuse to talk about the past statement. All the public wants is an admission of guilt.
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You mean like Pete Rose-baseballs all-time hits leader?
The world is itching for someone to be made a scapegoat in this mess-If he admits it, he will be the poster boy for the entire steroid era- the one in which he dominated and gained his accolades.
I think you might be underestimating how sacred the writers hold the baseball HOF.
It will be interesting to see what happens when Clemens and Bonds come up for election-thats for sure
And when did Pete Rose fully admit he bet on baseball and felt any remorse?
He only admitted he bet on baseball in his last year of eligibility to sell books. And MLB wasn't buying it and didn't reinstate in him.
If Clemens came clean this year, a full five years before he was first eligible, I doubt that writers 15 -20 years from now would still be as fervent in punishing him when the true impact of steroids in baseball is known.
But with this dog and pony show, his likelyhood to get in is almost none.
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Betting on baseball is illegal in baseball and is a known bannable offense.
HGH use for most of the time when Clemens was using was not even illegal in baseball and when a punishment was put into baseball, it was merely a suspension for a number of games and not a banning for life.
Pete Rose and Roger Clemens are two totally different issues.
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Perhaps his motives are questionable (they always have been), but he did come clean.
They might strip clemens of some if his accomplishments-thus his stats may not make him such a lock.
We shall certainly see how it plays out. I for one am enjoying the show thus far. More entertaining than your average baseball game!
but still end up in the same place outside looking in at HOF ...I would have respect for these two individualls if they fessed up from the get go now i don't neither deserves to share wall space withthe greats from the past ,WILLIAMS ,MAYS ,DIMAGIO,SEAVER .just to name a few ..