Fuckin cops yo

Poncier

MrBrian wrote:

Are you an idiot? Does it make sense to you that a cop has the right to search your car if your headlight is broken?
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Any violation gives him probable cause and it will hold up in court.

MrBrian

Poncier wrote:

Any violation gives him probable cause and it will hold up in court.

That's just wrong, it's false. It does not even make sense. Logic my friend.
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People need to learn the laws. The reason cops have this power ego thing is because they know people like you have no idea about the laws. So they use you, abuse you. slap you around...scare you a bit.

People say, grow up, be nice to cops, but since when is being abused and having your rights taken away from you a sign of maturity? It's a sign of stupidity.

Poncier

MrBrian wrote:

That's just wrong, it's false. It does not even make sense. Logic my friend.
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People need to learn the laws. The reason cops have this power ego thing is because they know people like you have no idea about the laws. So they use you, abuse you. slap you around...scare you a bit.

People say, grow up, be nice to cops, but since when is being abused and having your rights taken away from you a sign of maturity? It's a sign of stupidity.

You do not have to give consent to a law enforcement officer to search your vehicle. While you do not have to consent, bear in mind that the expectation of privacy in a car is less than the expectation of privacy in your home. Based in part on the lessened expectation of privacy in a car, law enforcement officers are permitted to conduct a warrantless search of a car if the officer has probable cause.

Probable cause exists where the facts and circumstances would cause a reasonable person to believe that evidence of a crime could be located in the area to be searched. With probable cause, law enforcement officers may search any area of the vehicle where the probable cause leads him/her to believe that evidence may be found. In addition to a probable cause search, any time a law enforcement officer sees evidence of a crime in his/her "plain view," s/he can immediately seize the evidence without a warrant.

Any moving violation can get you pulled over(including a headlight out), and at that point any officer can easily "interpret" probable cause for a search should he choose to do so.

Motown322

HailHailVitalogy wrote:

Well guy, if YOU didn't know ...all over Virginia highways can be either 55 or 65, and change within a half mile of each other, which happens exactly in that area.

Then you gotta pay attention to what the speed limit is. Pleading ignorance gives the impression that you're not paying attention.

HailHailVitalogy wrote:

The radio was just on, there was minimum volume if there was any at all. When a cop pulls you over, you know the registration is the thing they want so why not have it handy? The only way I can reach across the car is if my seatbelt is off.

Car should be turned off (radio would've went along with it). If it's running, you're viewed as a threat to take off. Is it probable?? No... but if there's a 1/2% chance, then that's what a cop is going to plan for And you have to think about what it looks like to someone approaching your car if you're rooting around in the glovebox... where do people keep weapons? Oftentimes in the glovebox. Take that element right out of the equation and not getting the stuff until you're asked for it.

HailHailVitalogy wrote:

So maybe you should read the WHOLE fuckin story before you start bashing me.

I read the whole story... multiple times. The officer made an error on your speed, but you signed the ticket. Either way, you have his name and badge number and the ticket number. Contact the PD and contest it.

HailHailVitalogy wrote:

Yeah the first time I got fucked I was doing 81, which in NY is just a speeding ticket not reckless driving which in the state of VA is on the same level as a DUI/DWI...maybe everyone should take that in consideration. Last time it cost me 3500, and wiped out my savings. This time around I don't have any more than $300. So that is where the anger comes in...I KNEW i was setting myself up once I stepped out but just understand how much last time this fucked me up. Plus now I have a loan to pay off for school, and a family that got fucked with the stock market.

If you got popped for 81 in a 55, then you didn't "get fucked". You fucked yourself. And if you knew you were setting yourself up for failure, why get out of the car? You already threw around the "I'm gonna get my lawyer on this guy" thing, so why not let the lawyer do his thing, let the PD know that the officer made an error on the ticket and then go from there? By getting out of the car and making a scene you did nothing but distinguish yourself from every other random stop he made that night. You can bet your sweet ass that after he searched that car, Officer Friendly found a parking lot and wrote about 25 minutes worth of notes on your particular stop.

The only reason I'm posting so much in this thread is because you made a LOT of errors in how you dealt with this situation. Your driving record is, for lack of a better term, fucked (and that's without this current shit on there). When ANY cop runs your license, he's going to be greeted with a laundry list of shit. The only thing that might get you a warning in the future is the way you handle the stop. If you do it by the book and you're polite, you may catch a break. I'm not saying kiss his ass, but a "Yes, sir", "No, sir", "Sir, my registration is in the glovebox... I'm going to reach over there and grab it, OK?" goes a hell of a long way in putting an officer at ease and setting you apart as a decent citizen and not a punkass kid.

Motown322

MrBrian wrote:

That's just wrong, it's false. It does not even make sense. Logic my friend.

Horseshit, dude. Take a CJ class... read a book. Hell, watch an episode or two of COPS. A busted taillight is going to get you stopped. At that point, damn near anything is probable cause, especially if you're rolling through a shady neighborhood.

gobrowns19

I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure you technically 'give' permission to an officer to search your car if you left your door open when you approached him. If you shut the door when approaching him I think he would not be able to have legally searched it unless him thinking you were going to be violent plays into it somehow.

Everyone's stated what you did wrong, you should have everything turned off, radio included, etc etc. NEVER reply with a yes when they ask you if you know why they pulled you over. I've been pulled over 3 or 4 times [all because of muffler/exhaust,broken taillights on my old car] and able to get off without a repair and report. Every time I was generally concerned about why I was pulled over and I think if you at least can show that they will be better towards you.

I've had one cop tell me I was killing people by making them fall asleep at the wheel by not having a muffler, and another pulling me over for having a taillight out and yelling to me before he got out of his car [with that fucking bright light] to keep my hands where he could see them. That was a little scary.

You also can't blame anyone for accusing you of being a 'punk ass.' You kind of disrespect one guy by saying he doesn't know anything about Virginia [or dick cops, i'm not sure but I can give you a story on that if you want] because he lives in Detroit. That doesn't make any sense, you don't live in Virginia either. Also a thread titled 'Fuckin cops yo' doesn't necessarily come off very right.

And your biggest mistake was being a Giants fan

EDIT: Note the bold part, not editing it out but bolded and noted as I wasn't aware you lived in Virgina, my apology.

Rygar

Motown322 wrote:

Horseshit, dude. Take a CJ class... read a book. Hell, watch an episode or two of COPS. A busted taillight is going to get you stopped. At that point, damn near anything is probable cause, especially if you're rolling through a shady neighborhood.

He meant searched, not stopped.

MrBrian

Motown322 wrote:

Horseshit, dude. Take a CJ class... read a book. Hell, watch an episode or two of COPS. A busted taillight is going to get you stopped. At that point, damn near anything is probable cause, especially if you're rolling through a shady neighborhood.

Don't get me started on that show!

Serioulsy, a broken headlight is of course cause to pull you over(as I said earlier), but it has nothing to do with searching your car. Does he smell pot? Yes, he may be able to search, but in Canada now I think that's not even grounds to search your car.

Remember that just because cops do it, does not make it fair or right.
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MrBrian

Rygar wrote:

He meant searched, not stopped.

yep,

WildChildRose

HailHailVitalogy wrote:

I got back from NY last night thinking "alright nice, fresh start back at school"

I'm driving back from my dad's, literally 3 miles away from his house, I get pulled over.

"Son, do you know why I pulled you over?"
"My headlight?"

"I didn't even notice that but you failed to signal when you changed lanes, and I got you 67 in a 55"
"I'm sorry officer I should have signaled and I'm not from around here so I didn't know the speed limit and didn't realize how fast I was going"

"Well it looks like you don't have your seatbelt on either!"
"I just took it off once I pulled over to get my wallet and registration"
"TURN DOWN THE RADIO (was listening to the Giants game)"

Takes my license and leaves

20 minutes later comes back with FOUR tickets and makes me sign all of them. I hand them back to him and I noticed he put me down for 77 instead of 67, so I said something and he just walked away as I was talking to him. I got out of my car and walked towards his car to ask him like what the fuck? He gets out of his car throws me against my car and searches me and searches my car while im in hand cuffs. Takes me out and says "Now will you please have a 'nice day'"

Fuckin, I 20 mph or over is reckless driving in VA, I already got one of those last year which cost me 3500 after a lawyer, fees, tickets, and the driving class I had to take. My license was suspended for 30 days (81 in a 50).

So now I have potentially 15 points to be added to my license ...a second suspension is a year suspension, a third is you can't have your license until your 25, I don't know if they count it as a third time because of all the points.

What a complete ASSHOLE. I am getting my lawyer back and going right back at him.

This is exactly one of the big reasons I moved out of that hell hole!!!! VA sucks dude... get out while you can.

Jeremy1012

For all of the criticisms of you in this thread HailHail, some of which are fair enough and I'm sure you know that, some people are just being assholes and it is fair enough to say that this cop was being a dick. Just try not to get yourself in that situation again.

Motown322

Rygar wrote:

He meant searched, not stopped.

Note the last sentence... At that point, damn near anything is probable cause, especially if you're rolling through a shady neighborhood.

Don't give them an easy reason to stop you, because they'll find something that's cause enough to search your vehicle.

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MrBrian wrote:

Remember that just because cops do it, does not make it fair or right.
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Thank you.

Rygar

Motown322 wrote:

Note the last sentence... At that point, damn near anything is probable cause, especially if you're rolling through a shady neighborhood.

Don't give them an easy reason to stop you, because they'll find something that's cause enough to search your vehicle.

Sorry, I misunderstood your post and thought you misunderstood MrB's post.

Wobbie

Trailer wrote:

but when I've been pulled over I turn into the most polite, charming motherfucker you can imagine.

I'm picturing Eddie Haskell :eek:. About as charming a motherfucker as you'd ever meet!

chadwick

Poncier wrote:

He can search the car for the headlight being out if he wants. Once there is any reason to be pulled over (there were 3 in this case), a search can be executed.

i don't know about all that.
i've denied them and got by with it.
but then again i was very mannerly and respectful.
plus it was a little bunk ass town Iowa.

can you hear the dukes of hazard's theme song playin?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRX4mlFi06A
"just some good ole boys
never meanin no harm
been in trouble with the law
since the day they were born"

that sums it up quite nicely if i do say so myself

Trailer

imalive wrote:

I'm picturing Eddie Haskell :eek:. About as charming a motherfucker as you'd ever meet!

hehe

HailHailVitalogy

WildChildRose wrote:

This is exactly one of the big reasons I moved out of that hell hole!!!! VA sucks dude... get out while you can.

See she understands...I know Rose used to live in northern VA...Fairfax County police are corrupt

South of Seattle

Sucks dude. He was being dick for sure.

Also I they can search your car, but if you say no, I believe they have to have a warrant.

nothingman44

South of Seattle wrote:

Sucks dude. He was being dick for sure.

Also I they can search your car, but if you say no, I believe they have to have a warrant.

not unless they have probable cause...which is usually pretty easy for a cop to say he had. most judges will almost always agree that there was probably cause.