I agree with you on that, I knew what I was doing. But it got me so angry that I'm getting fucked again because of a corrupt cop. Yeah the first time I got fucked I was doing 81, which in NY is just a speeding ticket not reckless driving which in the state of VA is on the same level as a DUI/DWI...maybe everyone should take that in consideration. Last time it cost me 3500, and wiped out my savings. This time around I don't have any more than $300. So that is where the anger comes in...I KNEW i was setting myself up once I stepped out but just understand how much last time this fucked me up. Plus now I have a loan to pay off for school, and a family that got fucked with the stock market.
Let me also AGAIN state, that I was polite until I read 77 instead of 67...the radio wasnt BLASTING it was at a minimal volume that I didn't even notice. When I got pulled over i turned it all the way left thinking it was off and I was just thinking about where my registration was.
Thankyou for the people who actually read my posts and understand what the situation was.
EDIT: my inside lights were on...it was my dad's car so I didn't know the headlight was out until he told me when I left his house
not unless they have probable cause...which is usually pretty easy for a cop to say he had. most judges will almost always agree that there was probably cause.
Not true at all, seriously. Give it a try. Almost every cop will try to get you to consent to a search before they do anything. If you don't give in, 9 times out of 10 they won't search the car or you. Unfortunately, most people do give in, and consent to a search in some way. Cops are trained to get you to consent. Just stand your ground, and let the cop decide if he/she has enough probable cause. Usually they don't have enough, and it won't hold up in court. Judges need more than the cop's word. Not to mention, cops don't want to go to court or escalate things any more than you do. If they think you're doing something illegal but not really harmful to anyone, they'll almost always let you go. But you have to resist politely Don't be an idiot, but don't be a pushover either.
Just try not to get yourself in that situation again.
Yes pretty much this. Drive the speed limit (it is possible - I do it), signal when you change lanes (too many people do not, and it is dangerous), and at least don't piss off the police unnecessarily. If you are polite, you may get a lower ticket. I've had a headlight go out during a trip, and stopped, when I didn't even know the light was out, but they set it up so I did not have to pay anything as long as I got it fixed within 2 days. And read the tickets before you sign - that would be your right. You can't change the past but you can change the future.
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dude this sucks...get a lawyer and make that bastard stand in front of the judge...I had a cop pull me over for doing 59 in a 55 and wrote it down as 79 in a 55...long story short...lawyer...judge...cop had to answer..got thrown out...justice does happen sometimes
im glad i dont have to put up with this shit. as bad as they are at times, most Gardai here are generally really sound.
if all laws were applied to the book as they can be in on North East USA (from many stories on here over the years), then everyone in Ireland would have serious criminal records & driving charges.
i understand there are reasons for it, its just a whole foreign concept to me. here its more relaxed - obviously, be polite & that, but nothing like the USA, or some other european countries where guns are commonplace.
HailHail, sucks what happened. take some of the advice from here though. Ive had occassions where i should have gotten in a lot of trouble re: license problems, but if u play it cool, deep breaths & relax, it goes better for ya
Sounds like he was over the top on you, but wtf were you thinking getting out of your car and walking after him???
so you're not allowed get out of your car and walk after a cop? You're not allowed question cops? Sure it's not wise... but I think that's the point he's making... that they shouldn't have so much power simply cos you question them. Surely you're entitled to ask questions?
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so you're not allowed get out of your car and walk after a cop? You're not allowed question cops? Sure it's not wise... but I think that's the point he's making... that they shouldn't have so much power simply cos you question them. Surely you're entitled to ask questions?
so you're not allowed get out of your car and walk after a cop? You're not allowed question cops? Sure it's not wise... but I think that's the point he's making... that they shouldn't have so much power simply cos you question them. Surely you're entitled to ask questions?
helen, remember we have guns.....i'm not gonna look it up, but there are hundreds if not thousands of routine traffic stops where the cops was shot and killed.....cops now treat EVERY traffic stop with extreme caution....they just don't know who's behind the wheel....that's why you never get out of your car unless you ask the officer first...it's for your safety and his
exactly. Maybe that's where my anger comes from. Seeing cop after cop funeral kind of jades a law abiding citizen just a bit. The lack of respect for cops makes me sick.
oh and by the way, it's what SHE said
A profession does not earn you respect simply cos others in that profession have earned respect. I come from a small town where the police suffer from boredom... so I know more 'fuckhead cop stories' than 'nice cop stories' even though I know both... but I also know better than to respect someone simply cos they're a guard :cool: that's ridiculous. But, don't get me wrong, if I'm pulled over I'll PRETEND to respect them
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
but I also know better than to respect someone simply cos they're a guard :cool: that's ridiculous. But, don't get me wrong, if I'm pulled over I'll PRETEND to respect them
Would you expect a police officer to respect you, though? You're starting to paiint with a VERY broad brush. Until a particular person does something to lose my respect, I'll treat an officer with the respect that I feel a person in their position deserves.
Would you expect a police officer to respect you, though? You're starting to paiint with a VERY broad brush. Until a particular person does something to lose my respect, I'll treat an officer with the respect that I feel a person in their position deserves.
Id definitely expect an officer to respect me. When they dont i call them on it (not in cheeky way). Its normal here.
To be fair to Helen, i expect Guardai to be respectful here cos its just how it is here. Obviously having guns around means its different in the states, and theres a hightened level of danger for police, but people who electively put themselves forward to be in that position then shouldnt abuse it against innocent people. That holds for any society.
Shes talking about basic manners (i assume). things like corruption and abuse obviously wouldnt be stood for here, theres few occurences of Garda getting shot, when it does happen the penalties are very severe.
things like corruption and abuse obviously wouldnt be stood for here,
this is the Irish police we're talking about right? or do you mean corruption of the general populace? either way it will and does exist in Ireland.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
this is the Irish police we're talking about right? or do you mean corruption of the general populace? either way it will and does exist in Ireland.
haha i re-read my sentence:
i meant in face to face conversations with Gardai. the context as OP was in only.
Theres none of the "face forward, wait for instructions, etc" stuff. Its more informal. If a Guard went as far as US police go in the same situation, he could be in serious trouble.
Corruption exists here as it does everywhere. Like i said earlier, laws arent exactly enforced to the letter. Ombudsman for Guards was set up here only 2 years ago to deal with it. They were unanswerable to anyone until then, especially in Donegal, the Guards there pulled some unbelievable shit over the years (deliberately framing innocent people, false imprisonments, general bribing etc)
i mean in face to face conversations with Gardai. the context as OP was in.
Theres none of the "face forward, wait for instructions, etc" stuff. Its more informal.
Corruption exists here as it does everywhere. Ombudsman for Guards was set up here only 2 years ago to deal with it.
ok, gotcha
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
See she understands...I know Rose used to live in northern VA...Fairfax County police are corrupt
not only did I live there, I worked for the court system for 3 years. I saw and heard a lot. And I had a case in which I went to trial and the cop bold faced LIED his ass off! I was livid!!!! I mean straight up made shit up. My lawyer tore him apart though. Always helps to have a good lawyer. But it is BS that you you have to spend your money and fight these guys. I've encountered way too many corrupt cops.... I stay as far away from them as possible. Even here in Seattle I've encountered douche bag cops. My neighbors and I almost filed a suit against 5 of them for stalking/harassing us. Look up on youtube "never talk to a cop." Very valuable lesson to be learned.
I would as well... which is my point: if you'd expect them to show you some respect, you gotta give it in return. 9 times out of 10, if you're polite and respectful to anyone (cops included), you'll get it in return.
maybe this time around the judge will sentence you to an anger managment class along with your driving class.
when you get out of the car and run your mouth - you're lucky you didn't spend the night being bubba's bitch!
As you live your life in sometimes quiet desperation, facing adversity and tragedy: if you have hope and love, that mixture helps you overcome that tragedy and go on with the rest of your life.”
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Cops can be pricks, but there are a couple of things you should just...know.
a) Always buckle up, and stay buckled up. Cops will get you every time on this one!
b) Never, ever, ever, ever get out of your car unless they ask you to. Some cops might feel threatened, and others take that as a perfect opportunity to act like a hard-ass. It's true. Even if you take the fucker to court, you are in their mercy because the judge will side with them every time.
c) Take their ass to court if they are in the wrong. More often than not, cops will not show up for court dates for traffic tickets.
d) The sooner you can get Joe-law away from you, the better you are. Most traffic cops love their power but hate their jobs, so as long as your aren't intoxicated just be pleasant and curtious because they are more likely to let you off, or lessen the tickets/fines.
What that guy did was wrong, but there are def. better ways you could have handled it!
Would you expect a police officer to respect you, though? You're starting to paiint with a VERY broad brush. Until a particular person does something to lose my respect, I'll treat an officer with the respect that I feel a person in their position deserves.
I respect everyone til they show they shouldn't be respected but CERTAINLY not because of their job or because they're in a position of power but because they're people. That's not so hard to understand surely? A badge does not give you more respect or mean you're better than anyone else.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
maybe this time around the judge will sentence you to an anger managment class along with your driving class.
when you get out of the car and run your mouth - you're lucky you didn't spend the night being bubba's bitch!
so by 'running your mouth' you're referring to the OP questioning the cops abuse of power? ahhh... people never fail to astound me.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
helen, remember we have guns.....i'm not gonna look it up, but there are hundreds if not thousands of routine traffic stops where the cops was shot and killed.....cops now treat EVERY traffic stop with extreme caution....they just don't know who's behind the wheel....that's why you never get out of your car unless you ask the officer first...it's for your safety and his
ah ok fair enough! I'll respect the gun and I'll continue to pretend to respect the cop
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
By this point when I do get pulled over, they look at my record and let me off with a warning because my record is so good.
I'm all for driving fast and fast cars. But 110 in a 55 can be dangerous. Even if you are a solid driver, you can't count on what other drivers will do on the road. They weave in and out of lanes, break for no reason. So please take care.
In having said all that, I did 150 in a 45 once racing against my friend on his motorbike bike. But the road was empty, open and it was after hrs.
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-keep your seatbelt on
-turn your car OFF before the cop gets to your window
-keep your hands on the wheel so the cop can see them at all times
if i was a cop, i would be very annnoyed if i pulled someone over and they had their radio going. it's disrepectful.
hope everything works out for you.
hehe.
alright, count the third one as optional
Yes pretty much this. Drive the speed limit (it is possible - I do it), signal when you change lanes (too many people do not, and it is dangerous), and at least don't piss off the police unnecessarily. If you are polite, you may get a lower ticket. I've had a headlight go out during a trip, and stopped, when I didn't even know the light was out, but they set it up so I did not have to pay anything as long as I got it fixed within 2 days. And read the tickets before you sign - that would be your right. You can't change the past but you can change the future.
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i got a speeding ticket yesterday. :(
time to play lawyer.
if all laws were applied to the book as they can be in on North East USA (from many stories on here over the years), then everyone in Ireland would have serious criminal records & driving charges.
i understand there are reasons for it, its just a whole foreign concept to me. here its more relaxed - obviously, be polite & that, but nothing like the USA, or some other european countries where guns are commonplace.
HailHail, sucks what happened. take some of the advice from here though. Ive had occassions where i should have gotten in a lot of trouble re: license problems, but if u play it cool, deep breaths & relax, it goes better for ya
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
helen, remember we have guns.....i'm not gonna look it up, but there are hundreds if not thousands of routine traffic stops where the cops was shot and killed.....cops now treat EVERY traffic stop with extreme caution....they just don't know who's behind the wheel....that's why you never get out of your car unless you ask the officer first...it's for your safety and his
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Would you expect a police officer to respect you, though? You're starting to paiint with a VERY broad brush. Until a particular person does something to lose my respect, I'll treat an officer with the respect that I feel a person in their position deserves.
Id definitely expect an officer to respect me. When they dont i call them on it (not in cheeky way). Its normal here.
To be fair to Helen, i expect Guardai to be respectful here cos its just how it is here. Obviously having guns around means its different in the states, and theres a hightened level of danger for police, but people who electively put themselves forward to be in that position then shouldnt abuse it against innocent people. That holds for any society.
Shes talking about basic manners (i assume). things like corruption and abuse obviously wouldnt be stood for here, theres few occurences of Garda getting shot, when it does happen the penalties are very severe.
this is the Irish police we're talking about right? or do you mean corruption of the general populace? either way it will and does exist in Ireland.
i meant in face to face conversations with Gardai. the context as OP was in only.
Theres none of the "face forward, wait for instructions, etc" stuff. Its more informal. If a Guard went as far as US police go in the same situation, he could be in serious trouble.
Corruption exists here as it does everywhere. Like i said earlier, laws arent exactly enforced to the letter. Ombudsman for Guards was set up here only 2 years ago to deal with it. They were unanswerable to anyone until then, especially in Donegal, the Guards there pulled some unbelievable shit over the years (deliberately framing innocent people, false imprisonments, general bribing etc)
ok, gotcha
not only did I live there, I worked for the court system for 3 years. I saw and heard a lot. And I had a case in which I went to trial and the cop bold faced LIED his ass off! I was livid!!!! I mean straight up made shit up. My lawyer tore him apart though. Always helps to have a good lawyer. But it is BS that you you have to spend your money and fight these guys. I've encountered way too many corrupt cops.... I stay as far away from them as possible. Even here in Seattle I've encountered douche bag cops. My neighbors and I almost filed a suit against 5 of them for stalking/harassing us. Look up on youtube "never talk to a cop." Very valuable lesson to be learned.
I would as well... which is my point: if you'd expect them to show you some respect, you gotta give it in return. 9 times out of 10, if you're polite and respectful to anyone (cops included), you'll get it in return.
when you get out of the car and run your mouth - you're lucky you didn't spend the night being bubba's bitch!
--Jack Lengyel
I had a professor last semester that said this same thing all the time to us, lol. Unless Robo is who i'm thinking they are?
a) Always buckle up, and stay buckled up. Cops will get you every time on this one!
b) Never, ever, ever, ever get out of your car unless they ask you to. Some cops might feel threatened, and others take that as a perfect opportunity to act like a hard-ass. It's true. Even if you take the fucker to court, you are in their mercy because the judge will side with them every time.
c) Take their ass to court if they are in the wrong. More often than not, cops will not show up for court dates for traffic tickets.
d) The sooner you can get Joe-law away from you, the better you are. Most traffic cops love their power but hate their jobs, so as long as your aren't intoxicated just be pleasant and curtious because they are more likely to let you off, or lessen the tickets/fines.
What that guy did was wrong, but there are def. better ways you could have handled it!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
13 years of driving and never one ticket!
By this point when I do get pulled over, they look at my record and let me off with a warning because my record is so good.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
You're talking about that law professor and that cop lecture right? I've seen that... good advice. If I ever get in trouble, I'm not saying anything!
I'm all for driving fast and fast cars. But 110 in a 55 can be dangerous. Even if you are a solid driver, you can't count on what other drivers will do on the road. They weave in and out of lanes, break for no reason. So please take care.
In having said all that, I did 150 in a 45 once racing against my friend on his motorbike bike. But the road was empty, open and it was after hrs.
Now check this guy out, 219 on a highway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IWXgdxWqFw
and this in the same model car,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRvHV7pUmAc&feature=related
You hear him fly by, then screeeeeach 'crash!'
Remember, SPEEDING DOES NOT KILL! crashing does.
Drive safe,