If that's what this is about to you, that's too bad.
Oh no, poor me.
Do you spend your every waking moment trying to please other people? Sad, if so. I don’t understand the whole perception of him being selfish because of what he did "to his family". For starters, this kid gave away a huge chunk of money, something I’d be willing to bet about 99% of the people calling him selfish have never done. 2nd, it wasn’t his intention to abandon his family forever, it just worked out that way due to tragic circumstances. 3rd, he was young and angst ridden and some of his anger was directed at his family. I’d say that puts him on par with most people on earth. I was freakin' crazy when I was in my early 20's. 4th, he would have mot likely found his peace with himself and his family had his life not been cut short.
Shit, I’ve made my treks into the wild (come check out central Idaho sometime) and I never told anyone where I was going or when I’d come back. It was something I had to do at the time in order to preserve my sanity and satisfy my curiosity. Thankfully, I always made it back. But if I hadn’t, my family and friends would have understood that it wasn’t a selfish act on my part, it was just something I had to do. I guess some people will get that and others won’t.
Bathing in a nice clear creek then crawling into a warm sleeping bag can be just as nice.
I really love the Lochsa/Selway area. The Selway River Trail is swesome!
There has to be some undiscovered areas.....but don't think there are many.
I haven't seen the movie or read the book.....yet. BUT....Babs is coming over tomorrow and she's going to see it with Lisa and I on Thursday!
I'd like to read the book sometime too.
I could never do this. There ain't no girls to scrump with out in the wilderness. Unless you wanna bang an animal.
Yeah... it's okay for about a week or so. After that... I'm not sure... I've never camped out for longer than that.
The other thing that makes home nicer than camping... no Bears.
You're so far off the chart I don't know where to begin.
Is this supposed to be an attempt at humor?
Ohhh.. are you one of those who thinks he wasn't cruel to his family? Or that being true to yourself AND being decent to those who love you are mutually exclusive?
Listen I'm all for dropping out of society if you can stomach it. It's certainly not for everyone, as romantic as it seems.
Do me a favor, don't tell me I'm off the mark and compare yourself to Chris McCandless and say you'd rather be with bears than people while you're on the other side of your high-speed wireless (or whatever connection you use). I get the feeling that you climb onto these threads and disagree just for the sake of arguing. If I'm wrong.. then I'm wrong. Chris McCandless was selfish, he may not have had much respect for his parents, and that's fine, but he could've at least dropped his sister some sign that he was all right.
You responded to what I said about the American pioneers and gold rush prospectors with something about the Pony Express and a bank account. I do have a good idea, through personal experience, what it is like to live off the land for a time, and the day-to-day undertaking that it is. I don't think it is so difficult or crazy as some people make it out to be. It is different, but once you learn some basics it isn't any different than any other system in which you have to take care of yourself. McCandless shed the expectations of his family and the society he was entering to see if he could handle it, or perhaps to see what most other people, like you, are missing.
Those pioneers and prospectors knew what it was like. I'd like to think we aren't so far removed in just a century or two that our basic relationship with nature is forgotten.
Have you ever packed up and left everything and everyone you loved to follow your heart? Have you ever left behind something that really truly meant something to you just so you were the better for it?
You don't know anything about me, so I would appreciate it if you would not presume to tell me what I am "missing." OK?
As long as I have a therarest pad and a north face bag....and a nice pillow.
how is his death tragic? he died doing what he wanted to do. it doesn't matter how old he was. shit, if i had big enough balls(metaphorically speaking) i'd walk out my front door and never look back. if one of my children or some other member of my family decided to do what mccandless did i'd be green with envy. but i would never think they were selfish or whatever. and i certainly wouldn't think i was owed anything by them maintaining their allegiance to a way of life they didnt want to live. it's your life, no one's elses. live it at a snail's pace or at warp speed. but live it for yourself, no one else.
you get the impression that he wanted to starve to death completely alone? he did attempt to leave the bus and get back. it's not as though dying out there was something that he chose to do, it just turned out that way. was he trying to test himself, sure. but it's clear that he had every intention of trying to get back somehow.
I don't see him as selfish per se because I think he figured that he could always contact his love ones upon his return to whatever form of soceity he decided to go back to. I would at least hope that if one of my kids took off for points unknown they'd at least check in on occasion so that at least I knew that they were well and alive, not that i'd expect them to live or stay someplace they didn't want to.
no. im sure dying out in the boonies wasn't his intention. but it was a risk he was obviously prepared to take. he just waited too long.
people die all the time.
i think the mccandless story is a unique portrayal for this day and age in that maccandless went to such lengths to define himself beyond the binds of the status quo.
but I can still see how people would view starving to death alone stuck in the boonies as tragic. plus had he foresaw all the risk he would've been better prepared. I kinda think that he was over-confident to the point that he never considered not being able to get out and that he could be poisioned by eating seeds that would lead to him starving to death
so... i saw into the wild today. never in my life have i been so emotionally affected by a film. what a celebration of life i found it. so many thoughts rose in my head that it was difficult for me to see straight. these thoughts have always been in my head, but today watching the movie they all just became clearer. i realised fully how much i hate the way i am living my life, and how i seriously need to take charge of it before it kills what little spiirit i have left. i was in total awe of the decision mccandless made to walk away from the life he had and didnt want to be a part of. dont think im romanticising what he did cause i know better than that. im sure im not the only person on this board that has trememndous trouble dealing with society. and for mccandless to do what he did took tremendous conviction. i was thinking how can i be responsible for my children when i cant even take responsibility for my own life. if i cant be true to myself, how can i be true to them and expect the same in return. i dont know what im going to do to resolve what has been awakened inside me but something will be done.
I saw it last week, finally. I think it was better than I expected, and does justice to the the Krakauer account. Maybe even better in some respects.
I was the first one to leave the theater. I think everyone else had to sit for awhile to dry their tears.
Eddie on the soundtrack made me feel at home, at first, as if I hadn't left my seat at the computer posting on the message pit. Lol.
i left the cinema a little ways into the credits and had to retreat to the ladies to regain my composure. on the way home i listened to the soundtrack and just coasted home almost on auto pilot.
at the end when his father was in the street and showed that he wasnt wearing any sox, i broke down completely. i dont think there is anything worse than the silence of not knowing.
I did that once.
I disappeared for 2-3 months in Arizona without anyone knowing where I was. I had used a soup kitchen address prior to that, in Tucson, and when I finally got back there, there was a letter from my Mom saying she had looked all over for me and didn't know where else to write. My Grandma had died.
I haven't done that again.
I will tell you though, when you come from a family that has gone through a shitload of conflict, it is extremely liberating, at least for a little while to suddenly be free of any association with them. To be anonymous that way.