49 year old man has sex with a 14 year old girl - no rape charges...

Jeanie

facepollution wrote:

You don't know that for sure. Like I said in my previous post, plenty of 14 year olds both male and female can look much older than they are. And if he believed she was a consenting adult, no matter how fucked up the nature of what they did, if she was 19 there would have been nothing illegal and we would have just put them both down as being a pair of perverts. I think if she obviously looked no older than 14 then you would definitely have a point and I would agree with pretty much everything you have said. But unless we see what she looks like, we have no way of knowing.

I can know that he is guilty and most likely did know without having to see the girl. I only have to read the article, read how the tale unfolds, see what he was charged with, that he was found guilty, sent to prison and is now having charges thrown out on technicalities because the more he fucks around with his lawyer the less time he'll get. Right? Does that seem like a misunderstood guy to you?

We're not talking about a guy that made an innocent mistake here otherwise the charges would reflect that AND he'd not have been found guilty AND an honourable bloke that made a legimate mistake, I doubt very much would be doing what he's doing to try to get leniency and a shorter sentence.

So no, I don't need to see the girl to judge his actions, I only need to see what it is that he is doing now and WHY the case has been thrown out.

What I don't get is why it is that ordinary, smart, honourable blokes freak out when something like this hits the headlines and can't see the woods for the trees and want to defend these arseholes and degenerate the victim.

This is not something that could or would happen to most of the guys I know REGARDLESS of if they frequented said sites BECAUSE they're not predators.

He knew.

NOCODE#1

Jeanie wrote:

Great! :rolleyes:

Let's make sure and not violate the bottom feeder's rights.

so her posting was an adolescent mistake?

its funny how you never read about this before the internet.

Jeanie

NOCODE#1 wrote:

so her posting was an adolescent mistake?

So you're another one that never did anything wrong as a 14 year old that landed you in it? So many perfect 14 year olds around here. :rolleyes:

I said she probably was looking for attention, I don't think what happened is something that she could have planned or been looking for, there's no way she would have understood the ramifications of her actions AND I'm more than sure that she will suffer untold psychological damage, both from the incident itself AND the court case.

NOCODE#1 wrote:

its funny how you never read about this before the internet.

Yeah, that's because predators had to work in different ways, so the stories were different but the actions the same.

And this kind of thing happened before the internet but because of the attitudes of people, not unlike some I've read in this thread, most girls aren't willing to press charges. If this wasn't a problem why have whole departments been set up by police world wide to try to combat it?

catefrances

NOCODE#1 wrote:

so her posting was an adolescent mistake?

its funny how you never read about this before the internet.

just cause you never read about it, doesnt mean it never happened.

jasonw

I'm not in any way defending what this guy did, but some of you people are really underestimating 14 year olds. When I was 14 I knew what was up and I'm sure you guys did too. If this 14 year would have killed somebody they would have been tried as an adult most likely because they were "old enough to know better."

catefrances

jasonw wrote:

I'm not in any way defending what this guy did, but some of you people are really underestimating 14 year olds. When I was 14 I knew what was up and I'm sure you guys did too. If this 14 year would have killed somebody they would have been tried as an adult most likely because they were "old enough to know better."

yes. i too am aware of what i was capable of and what i was actually doing when i was 14 years old. and though i didnt go some old codger, i created enough 'mischief' to last me a life time.

Rygar

jasonw wrote:

If this 14 year would have killed somebody they would have been tried as an adult most likely because they were "old enough to know better."

Unless they were Canadian.

Jeanie

jasonw wrote:

I'm not in any way defending what this guy did, but some of you people are really underestimating 14 year olds. When I was 14 I knew what was up and I'm sure you guys did too. If this 14 year would have killed somebody they would have been tried as an adult most likely because they were "old enough to know better."

Sorry jason, try again. Read the law.

And if we're gonna bring up child murderers lets talk about the boys that killed James Bolger and how nobody ever gets to see their faces or have their names and how they were put into a special facility before being transported here to start their new lives.
They are protected.

Jeremy1012

I have a hard time seeing how this is rape. Foolish yes, perhaps indicative of slightly sinister sexual deviancy on the guy's part but frankly, she was consenting. If he knew her age and she had consented then yes, at 14, it would still be rape. Whether he should have known otherwise or not, this was a girl who was consensual and presented herself as being of consensual age.

If every guy had to see a passport from a girl before he had sex with her, no one would ever had sex. Kind of kills the mood, saying "ok, I have your word but I'm going to need proof that this is legal". Sounds like this guy is less a predator and more an opportunist. It's not right but it's not rape.

Heineken Helen

comebackgirl wrote:

True - but it's still rape. He broke the law, whether he realized it or not. Guess it sucks to be him. And I would venture a guess that this girl got some help in getting to the point where she's advertising for sex on a website at 14 years old. I would think either someone led her to do this directly or she's been sexually abused. Why exploit the vulnerable?

Not necessarily... it's unreal what kids get up to or know about these days. I wouldn't go so far as to consider this guy a rapist or paedophile... but in this day and age, yeh, you probably SHOULD ask for ID. The law's the law and people know that... but there should definitely be a defense whereby the man literally had no reason to be suspicious. You see young girls on some chat shows and they look like they're well into their 20s :eek: . The law still applies of course but in some cases I don't think it's fair.

jasonw

Jeanie wrote:

Sorry jason, try again. Read the law.

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What?

Heineken Helen

dontloseyourheat wrote:

I posted this earlier but it's a link to a similar case, complete with a pic of the 13 yr old. http://www.wftv.com/news/16348047/detail.html

The age of consent law is in place because before that age, children cannot make educated decisions.

Because she is too young to make a good decision, it's not her fault that she whored her self out, it's the guy that should be punished...I think that is messed up logic.

If anything her parents should be the ones doing time. Normal 14 year olds don't have sex with 49 yr old strangers.

To me, she looks like a 13 year old... but this should be considered:

"I guess we just sit back and count how many after this," Henry Smith asked after his step-son was sentenced to jail.

Dean's family admits Alisha still stays out late and has yet to delete her misleading MySpace page.

After what point does she simply become a trap? Maybe she thinks it's fun? She's now had 2 men put to jail so either she has to learn it's wrong OR her parents become responsible??????????????????????????????

Jeremy1012

Heineken Helen wrote:

Not necessarily... it's unreal what kids get up to or know about these days. I wouldn't go so far as to consider this guy a rapist or paedophile... but in this day and age, yeh, you probably SHOULD ask for ID. The law's the law and people know that... but there should definitely be a defense whereby the man literally had no reason to be suspicious. You see young girls on some chat shows and they look like they're well into their 20s :eek: . The law still applies of course but in some cases I don't think it's fair.

Exactly. This morning on TV there was something about teenage pregnancy and there was a 15 year old girl who had a baby when she was 13. She easily looked early to mid-20s. Particularly with a baby in tow, how many guys are going to think she's a child? Rape is a taking of sex without consent. Quite how an act of ill-informed, consensual sex could be called rape is slightly puzzling to me. Sure, if I was her dad I'd be fucking raging and would probably beat the shit out of the guy but I don't think it's the business of a frigging Pearl Jam message board to start labelling people a rapist without knowing the proper details. Saying "he must have known, therefore he is a rapist" is fairly dangerous territory.

Heineken Helen

Jeremy1012 wrote:

Exactly. This morning on TV there was something about teenage pregnancy and there was a 15 year old girl who had a baby when she was 13. She easily looked early to mid-20s. Particularly with a baby in tow, how many guys are going to think she's a child? Rape is a taking of sex without consent. Quite how an act of ill-informed, consensual sex could be called rape is slightly puzzling to me. Sure, if I was her dad I'd be fucking raging and would probably beat the shit out of the guy but I don't think it's the business of a frigging Pearl Jam message board to start labelling people a rapist without knowing the proper details. Saying "he must have known, therefore he is a rapist" is fairly dangerous territory.

If I was her dad, she'd have deleted her myspace lying about her age by now AND she'd no longer be out late :eek:

Preferably the law should be tightened up to deal with this... but that creates loop holes and guys then coming forward saying they'd no reason to be suspicious it's a tough one! But we had a BIG problem earlier this year where several convicted rapists were let go as they were not allowed to use the defense that they didn't know the girls age... one of them raped a 13 year old girl, got her pregnant and then created national uproar where she was refused the right to travel to england for an abortion. They've since had to change the law to close that loophole.

However, her picture was never published... I agree with Jeanie on that one!

Jeanie

Jeremy1012 wrote:

I have a hard time seeing how this is rape. Foolish yes, perhaps indicative of slightly sinister sexual deviancy on the guy's part but frankly, she was consenting. If he knew her age and she had consented then yes, at 14, it would still be rape. Whether he should have known otherwise or not, this was a girl who was consensual and presented herself as being of consensual age.

If every guy had to see a passport from a girl before he had sex with her, no one would ever had sex. Kind of kills the mood, saying "ok, I have your word but I'm going to need proof that this is legal". Sounds like this guy is less a predator and more an opportunist. It's not right but it's not rape.

The law says she's not old enough to have given consent.

And of the guys that might find themselves in a similar situation who are genuinely freaked out to discover that she was actually 14 do you really believe they would instruct their lawyer to try to get off on the pissant technicalities that he's been working on?

Jeremy1012

Jeanie wrote:

The law says she's not old enough to have given consent.

And of the guys that might find themselves in a similar situation who are genuinely freaked out to discover that she was actually 14 do you really believe they would instruct their lawyer to try to get off on the pissant technicalities that he's been working on?

I know she isn't of consensual age, like I said, the guy committed a crime, unintentionally. You can't be an accidental rapist by definition. If you know a girl is 14 and she consents, it's rape. She's not old enough to make that call. If you DON'T know, and have in fact been led to believe she is 19, and she consents, you've broken the law yes, unintentionally. You're not a rapist.

It's like calling a person who accidentally ran over a child who ran into the road because they fell asleep at the wheel a "child murderer". They are guilty of dangerous driving, and indeed causing death by dangerous driving. They aren't a murderer. I know it's an odd analogy to make because they are two very different crimes but I think it gets my point across better than any other explanation I can make.

Heineken Helen

Jeanie wrote:

The law says she's not old enough to have given consent.

And of the guys that might find themselves in a similar situation who are genuinely freaked out to discover that she was actually 14 do you really believe they would instruct their lawyer to try to get off on the pissant technicalities that he's been working on?

I certainly would. This kinda stuff can happen to women too. I had fellas come on to me when I was 18/19 who I later found out to be about 13. Luckily nothing happened... but I had noooooo idea and was disgusted when I found out. I felt sick. If something HAD happened I would still feel sick but I would not feel like it's something I should go to jail for. I know if you're 49 you should DEFINITELY know better but sometimes there's just no reason to be suspicious.

Jeanie

Jeremy1012 wrote:

I know she isn't of consensual age, like I said, the guy committed a crime, unintentionally. You can't be an accidental rapist by definition. If you know a girl is 14 and she consents, it's rape. She's not old enough to make that call. If you DON'T know, and have in fact been led to believe she is 19, and she consents, you've broken the law yes, unintentionally. You're not a rapist.

It's like calling a person who accidentally ran over a child who ran into the road because they fell asleep at the wheel a "child murderer". They are guilty of dangerous driving, and indeed causing death by dangerous driving. They aren't a murderer. I know it's an odd analogy to make because they are two very different crimes but I think it gets my point across better than any other explanation I can make.

J if you were on the internet and a girl started making overt sexually explicit innuendo at you would you not wonder why? And please don't say you wouldn't because I think you would. AND if you were in your late 40s and she said she was only 19 would you not question what on EARTH she found appealing about you? There is no way you can tell me that that man is a magnet for 19 year old girls, I find it very hard to believe looking at him, that he would be a magnet for ANY girl. As a 49year old man one would expect that he'd been around the block a few times, knew how women work. That this 19 year old "woman" was willing to come to his house and perform these acts didn't set off any bells in his head at all???? Come on!!!

We're not talking about the guy standing in the pub and this young thing has wandered up to him and given him the come on. They conducted a series of interactions on the computer which was his opportunity to "groom" her and I simply do not believe that as a 49 year old man he didn't at any point wonder how in the hell he'd managed to score so well. There is no way he didn't have questions about the situation and he'd have to be dumb as dog shit not to have realized that she was underage. And he's not dumb as dog shit because now he's instructing his lawyer to use every trick in the book to get himself out of the situation. As I said if it was a legimate mistake on his part why has he not acknowledged that when dealing with the police? Why was he charged with so much? Why try to get incriminating evidence gathered in the search to be inadmissable? Why the big who ha about the 2 black jurors? Why all the ridiculous claims?

Jeanie

Heineken Helen wrote:

I certainly would. This kinda stuff can happen to women too. I had fellas come on to me when I was 18/19 who I later found out to be about 13. Luckily nothing happened... but I had noooooo idea and was disgusted when I found out. I felt sick. If something HAD happened I would still feel sick but I would not feel like it's something I should go to jail for. I know if you're 49 you should DEFINITELY know better but sometimes there's just no reason to be suspicious.

Ok Helen. Why didn't anything happen?

acoustic guy

aNiMaL wrote:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/story/508726.html

The girl advertised herself on the Internet as a willing sex partner who was 19 years old. Sadler met her through Web sites that cater to fans of bondage-style sex.

He brought her to his home, had sex with her more than once, encouraged her to have sex with another of his sexual partners and e-mailed sexually explicit photographs of her to friends.

What a strange bizarre story, but all they tried to charge him with was exploiting a minor, and then that got thrown out.

Thank the far left fuckhead liberal judges for that one. Oh BTW...they are Obama fans.