As far as cheating, there is nothing to debate. The league sent every team a memo letting them know this specific activity was not allowed. Bellichick did it anyway. They blatently cheated.
Ok, now did it really do much? Hell no, but he'd have to be a retarded idiot to "misunderstand" the rule and he clearly is not Jim Mora Jr. He understood it and he knowingly broke it to try and gain an advantage....which is in anyones language....cheating.
The league if they stop at the penalty will have essentially charged them this years draft pick and pocket change, which is essentially nothing. That's fine if that's what they want, but I seriously doubt it discourages cheating or cleans up anything.
The pats don't need to work outside of the rules, period, that's what makes this that much more retarded and Nixonesque. It just goes to show what an arrogant asshole piece of shit human being Belichick is. Hell of a coach, trainwreck asshole of a person.
Did they cheat, hell yes they did, was it the reason they won... no miniscule if any. BB is the best game planner in the game and they have better talent than anyone right now and the team is constructed better than anyone elses team.
So yes, blatent cheaters, people that seriously lack moral fiber, but it's not like the NFL gives a shit about that anyway and they are all great football players and coaches outside of blatent disregard for the rules.
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more SB's = NFL's best dynasty = money in the bank.
We are going 19-0 and you're going to be reminded that for a long, long time like the 72 Dolphins.
19 - 0??? With the Colts, Cowboys and Steelers as games to be played don't go set your self up for to big of disappointment!
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and I love that asshole Belichick. he doesnt answer a single question about it. "oops I misinterpreted the rule" "i'm moving on now" fuck you asshole. nice job cheating. hey bill, how can you "misinterpret" a no camera rule. NO cameras, period.
i have a question... why are you so angry about this? i can see me using this as ammo if it happened with the yankees or something... but you're acting like belichick fucked your mom and your dad in some bizarre 3 way?
and why should he play into the media circus... it's not like he owes anyone an answer besides the NFL
the 10c doesn't answer our questions about details of tours... future shows... why it's taken them over a year to sell 2006 posters... why they screwed the PNE.. etc
and I love that asshole Belichick. he doesnt answer a single question about it. "oops I misinterpreted the rule" "i'm moving on now" fuck you asshole. nice job cheating. hey bill, how can you "misinterpret" a no camera rule. NO cameras, period.
If you ever get to read the rule, you'll see it states, "no videotaping of signals for use in a game". So lets just say he wanted to use the tapes in practice only...that could be one way of interpreting that sentence.
Life for most of us does have some gray.
As far as not saying anything, thats the right and smart thing to do. Otherwise he might just add fuel to the fire for those who want to knock him down a few pegs regardless, and quite likely Goodell has told him to keep quiet on certain aspects of what they conversed about.
As for the 19-0 claims. That's a little heady if you ask me. I know it's fun to be excited, especially when their are doing so well, but it's always that team that has nothing to lose that ruins perfect seasons..
I have no expectations of 19-0, 2 tilts with Miami if nothing else will somehow find a way to prevent that. Don't know what it is, but the ghosts of those 72 Dolphins seem to have a presence, ask the 85 Bears.
The Pats have 2 very tough road games, at Indy and at Dallas.
They will probably be an underdog in Indy, they may be a slight favorite in Big D. Vegas will probably favor them 15 times out of 16 (barring Brady breaking his leg of course), but just look at yesterday to see being a favorite in the NFL doesn't guarantee victory.
I see them at 14-2 realistically if they stay healthy all the way thru.
Of course the scary thing is they've been dominant thus far without Seymour and Harrison, so they may get better by week 6. But they'll stumble along the way.
1. he had no knowledge of it and spoke with belichick about it directly telling him not to do it again
2. he basically said that the team broke the rules, accepts their punishment of the lost of the 1st round pick and the fines to belichick and the organization and that it is time to move on.
Two games in the Pats are the best team in football right now. I miss AD making plays like that for us. The guy was awesome, is still awesome, but way expensive. I'm glad to see him doing well even if he is still in the AFC.
The Pats got Randy Moss for basically nothing with no strings attached, and suddenly Brady/Moss is as potent as Palmer/Johnson and Frankenstein/Harrison. That was a good move. If Moss can just play without creating any distractions, he is still an elite reciever. We'll see New England at Baltimore in November which is good because the Pats are playing right now like nobody is going to beat them. And its not because they're cheating.
Once in a while you can get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
i loved this from jackie mcmullen's piece in today's globe:
"What happened last night was an annihilation. If it was a prize fight, it would have been stopped in the first half, and the Chargers would have been carted off to Massachusetts General Hospital for observation, in the event they never recovered from the beating the locals delivered with all the subtlety of a Roger Goodell sanction.
The chirpy Chargers, who boast the best running back in the game, LaDainian Tomlinson, happily added fuel to the Videogate fire during the week, with LT declaring, "I think the Patriots actually live by the saying, 'If you're not cheating, you're not trying.' "
The Patriots sure did look like they were trying last night. And, as far as we know, they weren't cheating. They were far too busy scoring touchdowns - for their coach."
Two games in the Pats are the best team in football right now. I miss AD making plays like that for us. The guy was awesome, is still awesome, but way expensive. I'm glad to see him doing well even if he is still in the AFC.
The Pats got Randy Moss for basically nothing with no strings attached, and suddenly Brady/Moss is as potent as Palmer/Johnson and Frankenstein/Harrison. That was a good move. If Moss can just play without creating any distractions, he is still an elite reciever. We'll see New England at Baltimore in November which is good because the Pats are playing right now like nobody is going to beat them. And its not because they're cheating.
Wow, you are the first Non-New Englander I've read that actually called it like it is. Thank you for sharing.
i have a question... why are you so angry about this? i can see me using this as ammo if it happened with the yankees or something... but you're acting like belichick fucked your mom and your dad in some bizarre 3 way?
and why should he play into the media circus... it's not like he owes anyone an answer besides the NFL
the 10c doesn't answer our questions about details of tours... future shows... why it's taken them over a year to sell 2006 posters... why they screwed the PNE.. etc
why don't you get all fired up with them?
The rule is that no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in used in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game. If he can't understand that he should be committed for retardation.
He knew the rule, and he broke it. I'm mainly mad at the commissoner for not suspending him for blatently cheating which could actually have an effect on the play happening on the field rather than some other fucking loser who starts a fight in a strip club. 500 grand is pocket change he hands off to his mistress.
No rational person thinks that the videotaping is the reason they won 3 superbowls, it's more of an inditement on how shitty a person Belichick really is. Great coach...pathetic human. I'm not going to kiss his ass because I think he's a great coach. I think it's unbelievably lame they would try something so fucking stupid they didn't even need.
Obviously he lied to the commissioner the same way people lie to cops when they tell them they've only had 2 beers.
Being a dick to the media is trite, boring, and played out just like being a dick to everyone else he comes in contact with.
I guess he thinks it's cool to be a dickhead and dress like he lives in a trailer.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
The rule is that no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in used in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game. If he can't understand that he should be committed for retardation.
He knew the rule, and he broke it. I'm mainly mad at the commissoner for not suspending him for blatently cheating which could actually have an effect on the play happening on the field rather than some other fucking loser who starts a fight in a strip club. 500 grand is pocket change he hands off to his mistress.
No rational person thinks that the videotaping is the reason they won 3 superbowls, it's more of an inditement on how shitty a person Belichick really is. Great coach...pathetic human. I'm not going to kiss his ass because I think he's a great coach. I think it's unbelievably lame they would try something so fucking stupid they didn't even need.
Obviously he lied to the commissioner the same way people lie to cops when they tell them they've only had 2 beers.
Being a dick to the media is trite, boring, and played out just like being a dick to everyone else he comes in contact with.
I guess he thinks it's cool to be a dickhead and dress like he lives in a trailer.
You sure about that rule? What about the allowed cameras they showed Sunday night?
He's not a dick to everyone. First we could never know that and second on Monday evenings he sits in with local radio guys... it's a good listen and a friendly show. You could probably listen on weei.com or something.
Why does he have to be nice to the press? When they write shit about him and his players? If someone criticized you and then wanted to ask you more stupid irrelevant questions, how would you react? With a big smile?
He's not worried about being cool. He's not worried about being nice to every single reporter. I think I would deal with the press in quite a similar way. They ask stupid irrelevant questions and always want to stir up some shit. It's fucking football not Paris Hilton and Access Hollywood.
He worries about winning football games not being cool.
He worries about winning football games not being cool.
i love the fact that he is all business and just looks forward to the next game and when that one is done he moves on to the next one.
if you want a coach that makes jokes and has funny breakdowns during a press conference (and then ends up in a coors light commercial) go hire jim mora or dennis green.
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what an arrogant asshole ......
Ok, now did it really do much? Hell no, but he'd have to be a retarded idiot to "misunderstand" the rule and he clearly is not Jim Mora Jr. He understood it and he knowingly broke it to try and gain an advantage....which is in anyones language....cheating.
The league if they stop at the penalty will have essentially charged them this years draft pick and pocket change, which is essentially nothing. That's fine if that's what they want, but I seriously doubt it discourages cheating or cleans up anything.
The pats don't need to work outside of the rules, period, that's what makes this that much more retarded and Nixonesque. It just goes to show what an arrogant asshole piece of shit human being Belichick is. Hell of a coach, trainwreck asshole of a person.
Did they cheat, hell yes they did, was it the reason they won... no miniscule if any. BB is the best game planner in the game and they have better talent than anyone right now and the team is constructed better than anyone elses team.
So yes, blatent cheaters, people that seriously lack moral fiber, but it's not like the NFL gives a shit about that anyway and they are all great football players and coaches outside of blatent disregard for the rules.
19 - 0??? With the Colts, Cowboys and Steelers as games to be played don't go set your self up for to big of disappointment!
i can't say i'm on the bandwagon. i don't want the kid to get killed out there.
there are issues with the coaching staff as well. jauron is a horrible coach; looks like he's doing the same thing he didi in Chicago.
and fairchild?! definitely need someone else calling thee offensive plays
Esther's here and she's sick?
hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
i have a question... why are you so angry about this? i can see me using this as ammo if it happened with the yankees or something... but you're acting like belichick fucked your mom and your dad in some bizarre 3 way?
the rule was no videotaping for in game use.
he was videotaping for use down the road.
simple really... a misunderstanding
he swears on his dick that it was all he was doing
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and why should he play into the media circus... it's not like he owes anyone an answer besides the NFL
the 10c doesn't answer our questions about details of tours... future shows... why it's taken them over a year to sell 2006 posters... why they screwed the PNE.. etc
why don't you get all fired up with them?
steelers provided enough bulletin board material last week that i don't worry about that game
colts will be a challenge but payback for last year will be sweet
and the cowboys play in the JV league... not worried
it will be the rings
Esther's here and she's sick?
hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
Im glad he is embarrassed and that others are questioning his integrity.
How fucking stupid- at least use a stealth camera against your former assistant you IDIOT.
that being said, they are the best team in football at the moment
I've never really understood why people say this. what is this "we" business? what position do you play?
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Life for most of us does have some gray.
As far as not saying anything, thats the right and smart thing to do. Otherwise he might just add fuel to the fire for those who want to knock him down a few pegs regardless, and quite likely Goodell has told him to keep quiet on certain aspects of what they conversed about.
The Pats have 2 very tough road games, at Indy and at Dallas.
They will probably be an underdog in Indy, they may be a slight favorite in Big D. Vegas will probably favor them 15 times out of 16 (barring Brady breaking his leg of course), but just look at yesterday to see being a favorite in the NFL doesn't guarantee victory.
I see them at 14-2 realistically if they stay healthy all the way thru.
Of course the scary thing is they've been dominant thus far without Seymour and Harrison, so they may get better by week 6. But they'll stumble along the way.
maybe he didn't expect man-judas to turn into a snitch?
to answer the above, kraft said
1. he had no knowledge of it and spoke with belichick about it directly telling him not to do it again
2. he basically said that the team broke the rules, accepts their punishment of the lost of the 1st round pick and the fines to belichick and the organization and that it is time to move on.
The Pats got Randy Moss for basically nothing with no strings attached, and suddenly Brady/Moss is as potent as Palmer/Johnson and Frankenstein/Harrison. That was a good move. If Moss can just play without creating any distractions, he is still an elite reciever. We'll see New England at Baltimore in November which is good because the Pats are playing right now like nobody is going to beat them. And its not because they're cheating.
"What happened last night was an annihilation. If it was a prize fight, it would have been stopped in the first half, and the Chargers would have been carted off to Massachusetts General Hospital for observation, in the event they never recovered from the beating the locals delivered with all the subtlety of a Roger Goodell sanction.
The chirpy Chargers, who boast the best running back in the game, LaDainian Tomlinson, happily added fuel to the Videogate fire during the week, with LT declaring, "I think the Patriots actually live by the saying, 'If you're not cheating, you're not trying.' "
The Patriots sure did look like they were trying last night. And, as far as we know, they weren't cheating. They were far too busy scoring touchdowns - for their coach."
Wow, you are the first Non-New Englander I've read that actually called it like it is. Thank you for sharing.
what would the score have been if the pats actually "cheated" last night?
oh and how about the jets have now been caught cheating
The rule is that no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in used in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game. If he can't understand that he should be committed for retardation.
He knew the rule, and he broke it. I'm mainly mad at the commissoner for not suspending him for blatently cheating which could actually have an effect on the play happening on the field rather than some other fucking loser who starts a fight in a strip club. 500 grand is pocket change he hands off to his mistress.
No rational person thinks that the videotaping is the reason they won 3 superbowls, it's more of an inditement on how shitty a person Belichick really is. Great coach...pathetic human. I'm not going to kiss his ass because I think he's a great coach. I think it's unbelievably lame they would try something so fucking stupid they didn't even need.
Obviously he lied to the commissioner the same way people lie to cops when they tell them they've only had 2 beers.
Being a dick to the media is trite, boring, and played out just like being a dick to everyone else he comes in contact with.
I guess he thinks it's cool to be a dickhead and dress like he lives in a trailer.
funny stuff, isn't it?
people are just getting sloppy
Esther's here and she's sick?
hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
You sure about that rule? What about the allowed cameras they showed Sunday night?
He's not a dick to everyone. First we could never know that and second on Monday evenings he sits in with local radio guys... it's a good listen and a friendly show. You could probably listen on weei.com or something.
Why does he have to be nice to the press? When they write shit about him and his players? If someone criticized you and then wanted to ask you more stupid irrelevant questions, how would you react? With a big smile?
He's not worried about being cool. He's not worried about being nice to every single reporter. I think I would deal with the press in quite a similar way. They ask stupid irrelevant questions and always want to stir up some shit. It's fucking football not Paris Hilton and Access Hollywood.
He worries about winning football games not being cool.
i love the fact that he is all business and just looks forward to the next game and when that one is done he moves on to the next one.
if you want a coach that makes jokes and has funny breakdowns during a press conference (and then ends up in a coors light commercial) go hire jim mora or dennis green.
Jim Mora Jr couldn't looks like a genius even if he dressed like this for Halloween: http://www.newpathproductions.com/genius4sm.jpg
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