Michigan vs. Ohio State

nick1977

Poncier wrote:

Whwn Miss St. upsets them, the Razorbacks will fall to #13.

Oh god, I hope that doesn't happen. LOL

Poncier

nick1977 wrote:

Oh god, I hope that doesn't happen. LOL

Its the perfect scenario for it though, looking ashead to LSU and the SEC tite game, on the road, a supposed inferior opponent...Arkansas is the vastly superior team but these type of games are very dangerous.

nick1977

Poncier wrote:

Its the perfect scenario for it though, looking ashead to LSU and the SEC tite game, on the road, a supposed inferior opponent...Arkansas is the vastly superior team but these type of games are very dangerous.

You are right....but i sure hope that scenario doesn't play out!

western pearl

Brink wrote:

Yep. Overhyped. That's why they are the top scoring defense in the Big Ten. What's their points-off-turnover margin?

That's b/c O$U's gotten on top of teams early and has been able to sit on the pass for the majority of the game. Yeah they've got a great p.o.t. margin but how many of those games came against quality teams? They played a texas team that was still finding itself and didn't even play a vastly underrated wisconsin team. Sure you can look at teams that each has played and look at the point differentials in favor of O$U. That's mostly b/c they go after style points once the game is in hand. It'll definetely be a good, close game but there almost assuredely won't be a blow out as many are predicting.

crittables

NoCode_inMT wrote:

Go Cats! Griz SUX

Is Michigan vs Ohio State the National Championship Game????????
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it's looking like it may be


i'm so excited for this game i can't stand it. not only is the game going to be amazing but all of my friends who moved after graduation (we went to OSU) are coming back for the game. this city is going to be ridiculous this weekend. hopefully there won't be any riots, but unfortunately with the low maturity level of some OSU fans there may be. doesn't matter if we win or lose. go bucks:)

soulsinging

crittables wrote:

it's looking like it may be


i'm so excited for this game i can't stand it. not only is the game going to be amazing but all of my friends who moved after graduation (we went to OSU) are coming back for the game. this city is going to be ridiculous this weekend. hopefully there won't be any riots, but unfortunately with the low maturity level of some OSU fans there may be. doesn't matter if we win or lose. go bucks:)

yeah, id not park a car with michigan plates in columbus this weekend

western pearl

soulsinging wrote:

yeah, id not park a car with michigan plates in columbus this weekend

Haha, i'd definetely agree w/ you on that. I watched a video about the 2002 pregame at Ohio State. Michigan fans' cars were getting trashed, fans were getting beat up... not a great place to be if you aren't in numbers.... and to no code.. yeah this is most likely the national championship game. i don't see anybody else in the country coming close to beating either of these teams.

crittables

soulsinging wrote:

yeah, id not park a car with michigan plates in columbus this weekend

no shit. i have ohio plates but i'm staying on michigan avenue. so i may have to park elsewhere. but i hear they change or cover the signs this weekend.

BrinkofForever

This is why I think OSU will win (and yeah, I'm biased but oh well):

A) 4-1: Jim Tressel's record against Michigan and Lloyd Carr

The Horseshoe - It's almost impossible for opposing teams to come into Ohio Stadium and win, much less against a number one ranked team. Michigan hasn't won in Columbus since 2000.

C) Troy Smith, Anthony Gonzolas, and Ted Gynn Jr. - unstoppable offense will keep Michigan's defense on it's heels all day

D) OSU defense is fast and opportunistic. If Michigan cannot establish the running game, it's going to be a long day for them

E)Ann Arbor is a whore. Nuff said.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Ott wrote:

I'm calling it now OSU in a big win 27-27!

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QuarterToTen

go buckeyes...

SPEEDY MCCREADY

QuarterToTen wrote:

go buckeyes...

i dont give a rats ass who wins this game..........

QuarterToTen

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

i dont give a rats ass who wins this game..........

well i do and although its gonna be a close one, the buckeyes will prevail

verb_to_trust

Brink wrote:

This is why I think OSU will win (and yeah, I'm biased but oh well):

A) 4-1: Jim Tressel's record against Michigan and Lloyd Carr

The Horseshoe - It's almost impossible for opposing teams to come into Ohio Stadium and win, much less against a number one ranked team. Michigan hasn't won in Columbus since 2000.

C) Troy Smith, Anthony Gonzolas, and Ted Gynn Jr. - unstoppable offense will keep Michigan's defense on it's heels all day

D) OSU defense is fast and opportunistic. If Michigan cannot establish the running game, it's going to be a long day for them

E)Ann Arbor is a whore. Nuff said.

Ann Arbor is a whore? Those fucking dolts in Columbus are gonna tear up the town win or lose, their football fans are neandrathals for the most part.

I want Michigan to win simply because they have a classier program. Tressel is a slimey son of a bitch.

I vote class on this one.

and its Ginn......not Gynn

soulsinging

verb_to_trust wrote:

Ann Arbor is a whore? Those fucking dolts in Columbus are gonna tear up the town win or lose, their football fans are neandrathals for the most part.

I want Michigan to win simply because they have a classier program. Tressel is a slimey son of a bitch.

I vote class on this one.

and its Ginn......not Gynn

classier program? ill give you that osu fans are occasionally a bit on the classic idiot football fan side... but how is tressel slimy? he's a true class act and has been since day one. ill give you that cooper (the previous osu coach) was dirty as can be... but tell me what tressel has done that was so slimy?

verb_to_trust

soulsinging wrote:

classier program? ill give you that osu fans are occasionally a bit on the classic idiot football fan side... but how is tressel slimy? he's a true class act and has been since day one. ill give you that cooper (the previous osu coach) was dirty as can be... but tell me what tressel has done that was so slimy?[/QUOT


The indiscretions at OSU are well documented. hell, one of their kickers got arrested on suspicion of drug trafficking.

And although he presents hismelf very well and the bullets never seem to hit him.........I find it hard to believe that he doesn't know about the money that Troy Smith and Clarrett have taken and other incidents of that nature.

I can't rememebr exactly what it was but I know he had some sort of black eye at his former job Youngstown State as well..........I'd have to look it up i guess.

But yeah, I just think its obvious the guys is a underhanded weasel

verb_to_trust

This about sums it up:

April 2, 2006: Offensive tackle, Alex Boone, was cited for allegedly driving under the influence early Sunday morning. Police said Boone was arrested and charged after a two-vehicle crash. The crash occurred at the intersection of West 10th Avenue and South College Road at about 3:30 a.m.

?May 21, 2005: Defensive lineman Tim Schafer is charged with disorderly conduct after police twice had to break up early-morning fights between him and another man. The 6-foot-5, 295-pound Schafer, who started five games as an offensive lineman last season, and the 5-8, 200-pound other man were both bloody, had bite marks and smelled of alcohol.

?May 19, 2005: Redshirt freshman running back Erik Haw was cited after a university police officer said he saw him smoking a marijuana cigarette while standing outside a dormitory. Haw, expected to compete for the starting tailback job, faces a court appearance on Friday in Franklin County Municipal Court. Ohio State officials said he would enter a drug education program and undergo frequent testing.

?May 11, 2005: Redshirt freshman kicker Jonathan Skeete was suspended following an early morning arrest on an outstanding warrant for drug trafficking. Ohio State football coach Jim Tressel has suspended kicker Jonathan Skeete for violation of team rules. According to police reports, Skeete was arrested early Wednesday morning by University Police on a warrant for trafficking in marijuana. Skeete tried to sell just under 200 grams of marijuana to an undercover officer.

?February 16, 2005: Offensive coordinator Jim Bollman is reprimanded by Ohio State for trying to arrange for a car and a loan for a recruit and for getting him a tutor. Tressel also received a letter of admonishment because he is Bollman's supervisor. Ohio State determined that helping the recruit get a tutor for a college entrance exam in 2002 was a secondary NCAA violation. Tressel and his staff were given a reprimand in 2001 for providing a jersey to a prospect.

?December 21, 2004: Albert Dukes, a freshman WR was arrested 12/21 in Palm Beach County, FL for felonious lewd and lascivious battery involving a 12 year old girl. The girl family later drops the charges.

?October 23, 2004: Lydell Ross is arrested at Pure Platinum gentlemen's club on Bethel Road in Columbus for attempting to pass fake money to a 24-year-old woman at the club. The police report said the woman was an entertainer. Tokens are used at the club to pay for beverages or private dances. Ross was suspended for two games and the charges were later dropped.

?June 7, 2004: Ohio State University police arrested tight end Louis Irizarry and charged him with Criminal Trespassing at Neil and Tuttle Park Place. An officer pulled over his vehicle and a records check showed he had been banned from campus unless he got special permission from the university.

?May 17, 2004: Freshman Punter A.J. Traspasso is arrested again for underaged drinking. This time, it was by Perkins Township police near Sandusky, Oh.

?May 5, 2004: Freshman Punter A.J. Traspasso is scheduled to appear in Municipal Court at 9 a.m. Wednesday after being charged with underage drinking. The all-state punter was cited after the Spring Game along East 15th Avenue near campus, authorities said.


?May 1, 2004: Sophomore backups Louis Irizarry and Ira Guilford are arrested and charged with robbery after a student is assaulted and his wallet is stolen at 3 a.m. They are held in Franklin County jail through the weekend. Both plead innocent to the robbery charge, with Guilford released after paying a $25,000 bond. Irizarry is held pending a hearing to determine if he had violated his probation from an earlier assault conviction.

?April 29, 2004: Ohio State fullback Branden Joe was cited last week for an alleged misdemeanor open container violation, according to Columbus police.The incident allegedly happened last weekend in the parking lot of a campus-area convenience store.
Joe, a Westerville native, was found guilty of drunken driving in 2002 after officers found him drunk and sleeping in his car on an exit ramp along state Route 315.

?Nov. 16, 2003: At 3 a.m. after a win over Purdue and six days before the Michigan game, wide receiver Santonio Holmes and quarterback Troy Smith are charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct after a fight in a parking lot on campus. A window in a car is kicked out and one woman reported her jaw was broken. Holmes is held out of the starting lineup at Michigan but returns to play most of the game. Holmes also started in the Buckeyes' Fiesta Bowl game. He pleads innocent to the disorderly conduct after the team returns to Columbus. The disorderly conduct charge is dismissed against Holmes on March 30, 2004. Smith is found guilty of the charge.

?Oct. 27, 2003: Louis Irizarry is charged with three counts of first-degree misdemeanor assault after three people sustain minor injuries during a fight in a Park Hall dorm room. Irizarry is suspended two days later. He is found guilty of one charge each of assault, negligent assault and disorderly conduct and pays $404 court costs and is put on probation. He is later reinstated to the team and is listed as the second-team tight end on the 2004 spring depth chart before he is suspended indefinitely after the May 1, 2004, arrest.

?June 2003: Sophomore tight end Redgie Arden of Ohio State pleaded innocent Monday to his second drunken driving charge in 15 months. Arden, 21, was arrested at 5:54 a.m. Sunday on a charge of operating a motor vehicle under the influence, the Ironton Police Department said. In March 2002, Arden pleaded guilty to a drunken driving charge in Ironton. He was sentenced to three days in jail and fined.

?April 2003: Running back Maurice Clarett reports that a car he has borrowed from a local used-car dealer was broken into and thousands of dollars in cash, CDs, stereo equipment and clothing was stolen. The car was in the parking lot at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center and Clarett calls police from a telephone in Tressel's office. Clarett was later charged with lying to police about the value of the stolen items and is charged with misdemeanor falsification of the police report on the theft. Clarett pleads guilty on Jan. 14, 2004, to the reduced charge of failure to aid a law enforcement officer. He is ordered to pay the maximum fine of $100 and serves no jail time. The charge does not appear on his criminal record.

?Oct. 30, 2002: A reserve long snapper on the Ohio State football team is charged with felonious assault for allegedly beating up a man. Kurt Wilhelm, 20, a sophomore walk-on, surrendered to police Tuesday. He is the younger brother of Buckeyes linebacker Matt Wilhelm. An arrest warrant was issued for Kurt Wilhelm following the incident at 2:15 a.m. Saturday in an apartment complex. A university official said coach Jim Tressel had been aware of the incident Saturday, which is why Kurt Wilhelm did not dress for the game against Penn State. But the official said the university was still looking into the details of what happened.

?Oct. 13, 2002: Linebacker Fred Pagac Jr. is charged with persistent disorderly conduct. Pagac was arrested at 3:45 a.m. after police said he was intoxicated and had a role in a fight involving two women outside a campus-area bar about 12 hours after the Buckeyes' homecoming victory over San Jose State. The police report said an officer told Pagac to stop but he continued to fight. Pagac was suspended for the team's next game at Wisconsin. Pagac pleaded innocent. In December, before the team's national championship game against Miami in the Fiesta Bowl, Pagac was acquitted in a jury trial.
?Aug. 17, 2002: Defensive lineman Quinn Pitcock is charged with underage drinking in his hometown of Piqua. He is suspended from the team for the three weeks of preseason workouts, then worked out with the team and is not held out of any games. He pleaded no contest to a reduced charge of disorderly conduct.

?Aug. 24, 2002: Flanker Chris Vance, the Buckeyes' second-leading receiver from 2001, is suspended from the team before the season opener for what Tressel called a violation of team policy. Vance was with the team on the sidelines but did not play against Texas Tech. He rejoined the team for practice the following week but did not play in the second game against Kent State. Athletic director Andy Geiger later said Vance's unspecified violation took place the previous winter. Vance returned for the third game and ended up as the team's fourth-leading receiver.

?July 29, 2002: Wide receiver Angelo Chattams is investigated for the alleged theft of a set of golf clubs from a sport utility vehicle in West Carrollton. Prosecutors approve but do not file a theft charge, permitting Chattams to enroll in a program for nonviolent, first-time offenders and avoid a charge. He was excused from the team to deal with the legal matter, then reinstated and played in the season-opener. He does not play again for the Buckeyes.

?July 26, 2002: Police find Branden Joe, a sophomore fullback, asleep in a car on a highway ramp near campus. The police report says he refused to take a Breathalyzer test. He was suspended for the three weeks of preseason camp and the team's season opener against Texas Tech, then returns to the team although his playing time is limited by injuries.

?April 27, 2002: Linebacker Marco Cooper is arrested hours after the Buckeyes' annual intrasquad scrimmage and charged with felony drug abuse and carrying a concealed weapon in his sports-utility vehicle. Cooper pleads guilty to two charges in November and is put on probation.


- October 11, 2003: Robert Reynolds chokes Wisconsin QB, Jim Sorgi, knocking him out of the Badgers' 17-10 win over the Buckeyes.

- Fall 2003: NCAA investigates Ohio State players for possible academic ineligibility. Maurice Clarett is the focus of the investigation. Chris Gamble name was mentioned a few times at the beginning, but either nothing was found against him or the entire investigation was turned against Maurice when a teacher admitted that Clarett got preferential treatment. She was then was later fired by the university. Clarett was guilty of 14 violations of the ethical-conduct bylaw and two violations of receiving preferential treatment or benefits because he is an athlete. Clarett was suspended for the entire 2003 season.

- Fall 2004: Maurice Clarett blows the whistle on tOSU.

- December 20, 2004: Troy Smith is suspended from playing in the Alamo Bowl for violating team and NCAA rules and standards. This was the $500.00 that Smith took from a booster, which led to his 2 game suspension and another NCAA investigation.

- July 20, 2005: A published report Wednesday said Ohio State athletic officials were looking into a possible second NCAA rules violation involving quarterback Troy Smith. The Canton Repository reported that Smith recently attended a quarterback camp held by Tennessee Titans quarterback Steve McNair. Smith, who was one of six college athletes at the camp, was the only one whose university is on academic quarters rather than semesters. According to the newspaper, if Smith missed a class to attend the camp, he violated NCAA rules. Head Coach Jim Tressel confirmed to the newspaper that the university is looking into Smith's situation but said the school's compliance department is not finished with its inquiry.

- July 8, 2005: Brandon Maupin was suspended for the 2005 season. In December, it was revealed that Maupin owed the city of Columbus $1,943 for 36 unpaid traffic tickets. Officials would not elaborate on the reasons for Maupin suspension for the entire 2005 season other than to say he failed to meet team responsibilities.

- Dec 6, 2005: Police said that an apartment belonging to Ohio State football players A.J. Hawk and Nick Mangold was burglarized in the days following the team's win over Michigan. According to a Columbus Division of Police report, the burglary occurred sometime between Nov. 22 at 6 p.m. and Nov. 23 at 8 p.m. Hawk, Mangold, and a third roommate, Jonathan Thomas, told police that their apartment in the 100 block of West Norwich Avenue was broken into and about $3,000 in cash, $1,425 in movies, two laptop computers, a $500 Gucci watch, two Microsoft X-Box games valued at a total of $500, a Sony Playstation game valued at $250 were taken. Police were not told about the crime until Nov. 28, according to their report.

- Dec 22, 2005: Offensive lineman Andree Tyree was suspended for violating team rules and will not play in the Fiesta Bowl on Jan. 2. No other details about the suspension were revealed Thursday. Senior Tyree has played in 12 games in his career at Ohio State, including five this season. It was later revealed that Tyree had failed his third drug test.

- Mar 7, 2006: Ohio State kicker Jonathan Skeete returned to the team as a walk-on following his suspension and arrest on drug trafficking charges. Skeete was suspended from the school and team when university police arrested him in May. He was convicted in October and sentenced to a year of probation. He reapplied to Ohio State when his suspension expired, and he was readmitted. He is a convicted felon. In October, he was found guilty of fifth-degree felony drug trafficking. He was sentenced to a year probation. The second charge was dropped when Skeete pleaded guilty to the first

soulsinging

verb_to_trust wrote:

The indiscretions at OSU are well documented. hell, one of their kickers got arrested on suspicion of drug trafficking.

And although he presents hismelf very well and the bullets never seem to hit him.........I find it hard to believe that he doesn't know about the money that Troy Smith and Clarrett have taken and other incidents of that nature.

I can't rememebr exactly what it was but I know he had some sort of black eye at his former job Youngstown State as well..........I'd have to look it up i guess.

But yeah, I just think its obvious the guys is a underhanded weasel

we all acknowledge that clarrett was a douchebag. yes, troy smith made some mistakes, but tressel straightened him out and the turnaround in his attitude is remarkable. yes, there have been incidents. but if you think michigan has no dirty laundry, you're even more foolish than i thought. they just havent been caught becos 1) nobody has cared about their crappy teams recently and 2) they didnt have a hig profile dirtbag like clarett to invite microscopic examination of every misstep their players make. also, wasn't it tressel who kicked clarett off the team? doesn't seem like he was willing to put up with it so much.

soulsinging

verb_to_trust wrote:

This about sums it up:

April 2, 2006: Offensive tackle, Alex Boone, was cited... convicted?

?May 21, 2005: Defensive lineman Tim Schafer is charged... convicted?

?May 19, 2005: Ohio State officials said he would enter a drug education program and undergo frequent testing.

?May 11, 2005: Redshirt freshman kicker Jonathan Skeete was suspended.

?February 16, 2005: Offensive coordinator Jim Bollman is reprimanded by Ohio State for trying to arrange for a car and a loan for a recruit and for getting him a tutor. Tressel also received a letter of admonishment because he is Bollman's supervisor. Ohio State determined that helping the recruit get a tutor for a college entrance exam in 2002 was a secondary NCAA violation. Tressel and his staff were given a reprimand in 2001 for providing a jersey to a prospect.

?December 21, 2004: The girl family drops the charges.

?October 23, 2004: Ross was suspended for two games and the charges were later dropped.

?June 7, 2004: Ohio State University police arrested tight end Louis Irizarry and charged him... convicted?

?May 17, 2004: Freshman Punter A.J. Traspasso is arrested again for underaged drinking.... what a shock... a football player who drinks?

?May 5, 2004: Freshman Punter A.J. Traspasso is scheduled to appear in Municipal Court at 9 a.m. Wednesday after being charged with underage drinking. The all-state punter was cited after the Spring Game along East 15th Avenue near campus, authorities said.


?May 1, 2004: Both plead innocent... and you conveniently dont mention if they were found to be... you certainly dont show they were convicted.

?April 29, 2004: Ohio State fullback Branden Joe was cited last week for an alleged misdemeanor open container violation... again, a football player drinking? stop the press!

?Nov. 16, 2003: The disorderly conduct charge is dismissed against Holmes on March 30, 2004. Smith is found guilty of the charge. one not guilty, one guilty and sanctioned. and smith has cleaned up his act, thanks to tressel.

?Oct. 27, 2003: he is suspended indefinitely after the May 1, 2004, arrest.

?June 2003: He was sentenced to three days in jail and fined.... and when was the last time he played for ohio state?

?April 2003: Running back Maurice Clarett reports that a car he has borrowed from a local used-car dealer was broken into and thousands of dollars in cash, CDs, stereo equipment and clothing was stolen. The car was in the parking lot at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center and Clarett calls police from a telephone in Tressel's office. Clarett was later charged with lying to police about the value of the stolen items and is charged with misdemeanor falsification of the police report on the theft. Clarett pleads guilty on Jan. 14, 2004, to the reduced charge of failure to aid a law enforcement officer. He is ordered to pay the maximum fine of $100 and serves no jail time. The charge does not appear on his criminal record.... clarett's a fuck up and tressel (rightly) kicked his punk ass off the team.

?Oct. 30, 2002: which is why Kurt Wilhelm did not dress for the game against Penn State. But the official said the university was still looking into the details of what happened.... and what ended up happening?

?Oct. 13, 2002: Pagac was acquitted in a jury trial.

?Aug. 17, 2002: He is suspended from the team for the three weeks of preseason workouts... for, again, getting drunk.

?Aug. 24, 2002: Flanker Chris Vance, the Buckeyes' second-leading receiver from 2001, is suspended from the team.

?July 29, 2002: He was excused from the team to deal with the legal matter, then reinstated and played in the season-opener. He does not play again for the Buckeyes.

?July 26, 2002: He was suspended for the three weeks of preseason camp and the team's season opener against Texas Tech.

?April 27, 2002: Cooper pleads guilty to two charges in November and is put on probation... did he play again?

- October 11, 2003: Robert Reynolds chokes Wisconsin QB, Jim Sorgi, knocking him out of the Badgers' 17-10 win over the Buckeyes.... that was fucked up. i admit that. as i recall, he took a lot of heat for it.

- Fall 2003: but either nothing was found against him or the entire investigation was turned against Maurice when a teacher admitted that Clarett got preferential treatment. She was then was later fired by the university. Clarett was suspended for the entire 2003 season.

- Fall 2004: Maurice Clarett blows the whistle on tOSU.... oh? what whistle?

- December 20, 2004: Troy Smith is suspended.

- July 20, 2005: A published report Wednesday said Ohio State athletic officials were looking into a possible second NCAA rules violation involving quarterback Troy Smith. way to make one offense into 2 large entries and play it up.

- July 8, 2005: Brandon Maupin was suspended for the 2005 season.

- Dec 6, 2005: Police said that an apartment belonging to Ohio State football players A.J. Hawk and Nick Mangold was burglarized in the days following the team's win over Michigan. According to a Columbus Division of Police report, the burglary occurred sometime between Nov. 22 at 6 p.m. and Nov. 23 at 8 p.m. Hawk, Mangold, and a third roommate, Jonathan Thomas, told police that their apartment in the 100 block of West Norwich Avenue was broken into and about $3,000 in cash, $1,425 in movies, two laptop computers, a $500 Gucci watch, two Microsoft X-Box games valued at a total of $500, a Sony Playstation game valued at $250 were taken. Police were not told about the crime until Nov. 28, according to their report.... they got robbed? those dirty fucking bastards!

- Dec 22, 2005: Offensive lineman Andree Tyree was suspended.

- Mar 7, 2006: Ohio State kicker Jonathan Skeete returned to the team as a walk-on following his suspension and arrest on drug trafficking charges. Skeete was suspended from the school and team when university police arrested him in May.... when was the last time he played?

nice list... i like the way you pad it to include charges that were dropped or were found to be false, split single offenses by certain players into 2-3 separate entries to make it look longer, and in almost every other case, try to downplay the fact that the players were disciplined by the team. there's even one in there using the fact that some players were the VICTIMS of a crime as proof that they are criminals. who do you work for? fox news? rush limbaugh? you do a great spin job.

furthermore, tressel inherited a lot of thugs from john cooper's program. it's going to take time to rectify the damage that schmuck did to osu's credibility. but he's doing a damn good job with a bad hand id say.

verb_to_trust

soulsinging wrote:

nice list... i like the way you pad it to include charges that were dropped or were found to be false, split single offenses by certain players into 2-3 separate entries to make it look longer, and in almost every other case, try to downplay the fact that the players were disciplined by the team. there's even one in there using the fact that some players were the VICTIMS of a crime as proof that they are criminals. who do you work for? fox news? rush limbaugh? you do a great spin job.

furthermore, tressel inherited a lot of thugs from john cooper's program. it's going to take time to rectify the damage that schmuck did to osu's credibility. but he's doing a damn good job with a bad hand id say.

I did't personally author the list. So go bark up someone elses tree about it....i was merely trying to create some dialouge.

The U of M i'm sure has a lot of scumbags playing for them too.....just not as many. Its also a more respected academic institution in a more academic minded college town. I've been to both towns......the difference is unbelievable.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1920867

That Youngstown stuff is all pre clarrett.

I think its pretty clear that tressell is the schmuck....lets just call a spade a spade here and enjoy the game. ITs all entertainment to me. It doesn't hurt my enjoyment of the game that OSU is dirty as hell.......... I just thought it was worth pointing out.