Didn't the psychic tell Claire that Aaron MUST be raised by her? If he was "raised by another" he would be surrounded by evil??! (Ok, I'm paraphrasing at best, but wasn't that the jist of it?)
I guess that's why everyone eventually wants to go back to the island in the future, because everything is going all to hell. But Kate is unwilling to give Aaron up or something. But yeah, clearly all is not well with Kate raising Aaron.
Not reading back on all the pages I missed but a good episode. I knew it was Aaron especially when Kate wouldn't pick up Aaron to stop him from crying. That said, is it me or does Aaron look really friggin big???
Maybe Kate didn't want Aaron to testify because she was scared he would spill the beans about what really happened, or at least contradict what the other "six" or "eight" were saying. I can't remember how well kids talk at his age.
Maybe Kate didn't want Aaron to testify because she was scared he would spill the beans about what really happened, or at least contradict what the other "six" or "eight" were saying. I can't remember how well kids talk at his age.
He was pretty young, anything he might be able to say probably wouldn't hold up.
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Not necessarily. What if Ben has Sayid kill someone who got off the island. And I am assuming that whoever is in the coffin, is someone who gets off the island. I doubt that Locke will ever get off.
This is a good point. I thought it was Locke in the coffin, but I don't think Locke would leave the island under any circumstance. It's official: I no longer think it is Locke in the casket.
maybe hoping that the jury would have sympathy for her when they thought about sentencing her, you know, a single mother and all. I never got the impression that he wanted Aaron to take the stand, but just be in the courtroom.
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maybe hoping that the jury would have sympathy for her when they thought about sentencing her, you know, a single mother and all. I never got the impression that he wanted Aaron to take the stand, but just be in the courtroom.
Yep, that's what I got. A jury is always more sympathetic when a child of the accused is in the court - especially if it is an infant.
I still think the reason Kate didn't want Aaron there is because Jack wouldn't have testified if he was there.
Maybe but Kate didn't seem like she knew Jack was coming. Before Jack walked in, her lawyer said, "don't fire me for this"...
True, but an attorney always tries to make the best case for their client whether they believe it or not themselves. So in the attorney's mind with no Aaron getting Kate sympathy and Kate's own mom ready to testify against her, he needed a witness that could best bring out the best of Kate's character - even through lies.
So Kate may well have not known Jack was going to testify, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have if he knew Aaron was there.
This is a good point. I thought it was Locke in the coffin, but I don't think Locke would leave the island under any circumstance. It's official: I no longer think it is Locke in the casket.
LOL! This post made me lol!!
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True, but an attorney always tries to make the best case for their client whether they believe it or not themselves. So in the attorney's mind with no Aaron getting Kate sympathy and Kate's own mom ready to testify against her, he needed a witness that could best bring out the best of Kate's character - even through lies.
So Kate may well have not known Jack was going to testify, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have if he knew Aaron was there.
Yeah, that is a good point.
I am real anxious to see Thursday episode. I have no idea what to expect.
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EXACTLY! That's what I was thinking but couldn't think of a proper way to phrase it!! Good job!
Maybe she really, just didn't want Aaron apart of it. Maybe she is trying to keep Aaron behind closed doors to the world. Maybe Oceanic told her to keep Aaron as secret as possible, so that the possibilty of someone who knows it really wasn't hers, doesn't see him. Maybe Oceanic is afraid the world might find out, more people lived/are alive....does this make sense or did I make everyone else stupid?
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But if Kate didn't know Jack was testifying, her reasoning for not having Aaron in court couldn't be because Jack wouldn't testify.
dirtyT, you might be right about not having Aaron testify, just in the courtroom. I'd have to see it again to be sure.
Jack is always there to bail Kate out. Kate probably wanted to do this on her own. In a case like this - especially with character witnesses, there would be no surprise witnesses so Jack was listed as a possible witness for the defense.
The fact that Kate got so damaged by the opening remarks of the prosecuting attorney led her counsel to bring Jack as a witness.
But the fact there was a possibility Jack could testify, plus the fact that Kate didn't want her mom seeing Aaron are why I feel Kate didn't want him in court. Plus the obvious reason, Aaron thinks Kate is his mom. How traumatic would it be for a toddler to see their "mom" in handcuffs?
Jack is always there to bail Kate out. Kate probably wanted to do this on her own. In a case like this - especially with character witnesses, there would be no surprise witnesses so Jack was listed as a possible witness for the defense.
The fact that Kate got so damaged by the opening remarks of the prosecuting attorney led her counsel to bring Jack as a witness.
But the fact there was a possibility Jack could testify, plus the fact that Kate didn't want her mom seeing Aaron are why I feel Kate didn't want him in court. Plus the obvious reason, Aaron thinks Kate is his mom. How traumatic would it be for a toddler to see their "mom" in handcuffs?
I think you just nailed it.
One, Kate doesn't want her mom to see Aaron and two, Aaron probably thinks Kate is his real mom.
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Jack is always there to bail Kate out. Kate probably wanted to do this on her own. In a case like this - especially with character witnesses, there would be no surprise witnesses so Jack was listed as a possible witness for the defense.
The fact that Kate got so damaged by the opening remarks of the prosecuting attorney led her counsel to bring Jack as a witness.
But the fact there was a possibility Jack could testify, plus the fact that Kate didn't want her mom seeing Aaron are why I feel Kate didn't want him in court. Plus the obvious reason, Aaron thinks Kate is his mom. How traumatic would it be for a toddler to see their "mom" in handcuffs?
I don't think that's it at all. I think Kate just hates whatever happened on the island...and hates the lies (they were forced to tell) even more! I think she didn't want Jack to testify is because she didn't want him to lie for her on the stand.
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I don't think that's it at all. I think Kate just hates whatever happened on the island...and hates the lies (they were forced to tell) even more! I think she didn't want Jack to testify is because she didn't want him to lie for her on the stand.
that was my take on it too. especially when she said to jack she thinks he's actually starting to believe the story (lies).
also, when she took the plea bargain, saying she just wanted it to be over is more evidence of that, i think. i think she's trying to get as far away from all-things-island as possible.
I don't think that's it at all. I think Kate just hates whatever happened on the island...and hates the lies (they were forced to tell) even more! I think she didn't want Jack to testify is because she didn't want him to lie for her on the stand.
I don't know about that. It seems the island gave her something the real world couldn't. She has freedom, as far we know has settled down in one place and now has a son. She seems of all the people who have gotten off the island best off.
During the finale last year, she told Jack that they were supposed to leave the island and ignored his pleas that they have to go back.
So whatever lies she's had to tell seems, to have been ultimately worth it in the end which is why Jack and Hurley who have better moral compasses than Kate are trying to get back.
so why have we not discussed the fact that this trial took place in LA and not wherever the crime took place. usually you hold trials that are not federal crimes in the state it happened.
so maybe... just maybe.. kate was involved in a crime in california.. and maybe it involved claire.. and maybe thats why she's got the kid now.. maybe oh maybe.
and i agree.. kate ddint want jack on the stand because she didnt want anymore lies...
she loves aaron..but i think she got him in a very shady way...and there is no way she is going back to that island
so why have we not discussed the fact that this trial took place in LA and not wherever the crime took place. usually you hold trials that are not federal crimes in the state it happened.
Good catch. I was also wondering why Jack would have testified before Kate's mother. In criminal cases, the prosecution presents their case first.
But, I'd rather a couple of court mistakes than for the show to turn into Lost and Order or CSI, The Island.
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I guess that's why everyone eventually wants to go back to the island in the future, because everything is going all to hell. But Kate is unwilling to give Aaron up or something. But yeah, clearly all is not well with Kate raising Aaron.
Maybe Kate didn't want Aaron to testify because she was scared he would spill the beans about what really happened, or at least contradict what the other "six" or "eight" were saying. I can't remember how well kids talk at his age.
This is a good point. I thought it was Locke in the coffin, but I don't think Locke would leave the island under any circumstance. It's official: I no longer think it is Locke in the casket.
Why would her lawyer bring it up then?
Yep, that's what I got. A jury is always more sympathetic when a child of the accused is in the court - especially if it is an infant.
I still think the reason Kate didn't want Aaron there is because Jack wouldn't have testified if he was there.
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Maybe but Kate didn't seem like she knew Jack was coming. Before Jack walked in, her lawyer said, "don't fire me for this"...
True, but an attorney always tries to make the best case for their client whether they believe it or not themselves. So in the attorney's mind with no Aaron getting Kate sympathy and Kate's own mom ready to testify against her, he needed a witness that could best bring out the best of Kate's character - even through lies.
So Kate may well have not known Jack was going to testify, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have if he knew Aaron was there.
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LOL! This post made me lol!!
I am real anxious to see Thursday episode. I have no idea what to expect.
LOL! Again, I was going to post this same thought, but you beat me to it!
Don't hate me for this...but when I first saw Aaron (big Aaron, not infant) I thought he had Down's Syndrome or something. :eek: I'm awful, I know. :(
LOL! LOL! Funny!! That must be it.
So it's not just me then?! I feel slightly better now.
P.S. I probably look like that when I'm first waking up, too.
But if Kate didn't know Jack was testifying, her reasoning for not having Aaron in court couldn't be because Jack wouldn't testify.
dirtyT, you might be right about not having Aaron testify, just in the courtroom. I'd have to see it again to be sure.
EXACTLY! That's what I was thinking but couldn't think of a proper way to phrase it!!
Jack is always there to bail Kate out. Kate probably wanted to do this on her own. In a case like this - especially with character witnesses, there would be no surprise witnesses so Jack was listed as a possible witness for the defense.
The fact that Kate got so damaged by the opening remarks of the prosecuting attorney led her counsel to bring Jack as a witness.
But the fact there was a possibility Jack could testify, plus the fact that Kate didn't want her mom seeing Aaron are why I feel Kate didn't want him in court. Plus the obvious reason, Aaron thinks Kate is his mom. How traumatic would it be for a toddler to see their "mom" in handcuffs?
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One, Kate doesn't want her mom to see Aaron and two, Aaron probably thinks Kate is his real mom.
I don't think that's it at all. I think Kate just hates whatever happened on the island...and hates the lies (they were forced to tell) even more! I think she didn't want Jack to testify is because she didn't want him to lie for her on the stand.
also, when she took the plea bargain, saying she just wanted it to be over is more evidence of that, i think. i think she's trying to get as far away from all-things-island as possible.
I don't know about that. It seems the island gave her something the real world couldn't. She has freedom, as far we know has settled down in one place and now has a son. She seems of all the people who have gotten off the island best off.
During the finale last year, she told Jack that they were supposed to leave the island and ignored his pleas that they have to go back.
So whatever lies she's had to tell seems, to have been ultimately worth it in the end which is why Jack and Hurley who have better moral compasses than Kate are trying to get back.
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so maybe... just maybe.. kate was involved in a crime in california.. and maybe it involved claire.. and maybe thats why she's got the kid now.. maybe oh maybe.
and i agree.. kate ddint want jack on the stand because she didnt want anymore lies...
she loves aaron..but i think she got him in a very shady way...and there is no way she is going back to that island
Good catch. I was also wondering why Jack would have testified before Kate's mother. In criminal cases, the prosecution presents their case first.
But, I'd rather a couple of court mistakes than for the show to turn into Lost and Order or CSI, The Island.
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Agreed! Well said!