Lost: Season 4 (no spoilers)

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  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    Solat13 wrote:
    So how exactly is Locke going to move the island?

    And I'm guessing he's successful because that's why Jack couldn't find it in the finale last season.

    So are they planning out a dynamic that Jack and Locke become the new Ben and Widmore. Jack searching for the island while Locke is the protector of it?

    My guess is that Locke isn't going to move the island but rather, in essence, change the bearing by which someone can travel back and forth to the island. How this will occur, I have no damn idea but I'm intrigued by the prospects and directions it can go.

    Not a bad thought, since it already seems as though Locke has taken over Ben's position on the island.
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    "What happened to them?"
    "He did."

    Great writing!!

    Maybe the island does get moved....somewhere cold....could explain why Ben was wearing that parka when he jumped forward.
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    tybird wrote:
    "What happened to them?"
    "He did."

    Great writing!!

    Maybe the island does get moved....somewhere cold....could explain why Ben was wearing that parka when he jumped forward.

    Lots of good lines last night.

    I loved Ben's line to Locke that "Destiny is a fickle Bitch."
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Lukin66
    Lukin66 Posts: 3,063
    chromiam wrote:
    I don't think that Michael can't die, but he just can't die before he does what the island needs him to do... once that happens, he dies. I think the same is true with Locke and the way Ben mentioned that he shouldn't have shot him since he knew it Locke wouldn't die.

    Great episode again and next week looks even better.
    I agree with this, and I think it ties in with what Rose pointed out last week, that the Island let Jack get sick as well. It looks to me that Jack and Ben have served their purpose to the Island (and it might be detrimental for them to stay on the Island, see Jack's status as one of the Oceanic 6 and Ben's tromping after Widmore). Locke and Michael are not finished with the Island, thus they are immune to harm (Ben shooting Locke/Michael jamming Keamy's gun)
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  • Lukin66
    Lukin66 Posts: 3,063
    tybird wrote:
    "What happened to them?"
    "He did."

    Great writing!!
    my favorite line of the night
    deep, deep blue of the morning
    gets to me every time
  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    good news about the shortened season this year...

    http://tv.ign.com/articles/872/872867p1.html
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    So is the island in the future? Because they found the doc's body before he died? But I thought it was in the past because of how long Farraday's rocket took to land. Or do we just have no idea what time it is on the island relative to the "real" world of Lost.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    Solat13 wrote:
    So is the island in the future? Because they found the doc's body before he died? But I thought it was in the past because of how long Farraday's rocket took to land. Or do we just have no idea what time it is on the island relative to the "real" world of Lost.

    I think your last thought might be the most accurate... I kinda think it might be as if the island has an elliptical orbit in relation to the real world, sometimes being in the past, sometimes in the future and at times even in the present. Kinda the reason Faraday stated that time on the island was relative...
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  • Lukin66
    Lukin66 Posts: 3,063
    btw...is it just me, or is Keamy hot hot hot? god bless his psychotic heart
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Solat13 wrote:
    Lots of good lines last night.

    I loved Ben's line to Locke that "Destiny is a fickle Bitch."
    Seemed like sweet payback for the first remark, didn't it. :cool:
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • Pauk
    Pauk Posts: 1,084
    chromiam wrote:
    My guess is that Locke isn't going to move the island but rather, in essence, change the bearing by which someone can travel back and forth to the island. How this will occur, I have no damn idea but I'm intrigued by the prospects and directions it can go.

    Not a bad thought, since it already seems as though Locke has taken over Ben's position on the island.
    Maybe they have to mess with the electromagnet again to get the island back where it was in its cloaking (moving in space or time or both?). People who get off before the 'reactivation' leave, people who don't are stuck on the island.

    The electromagnet is the only thing on the island I can think of that is powerful enough to 'move' the island.
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  • raystrey
    raystrey Posts: 171
    so we know somehow lock was put on the plane right. or at least guided towards that walk guide to find himself.

    Soooooo does this confirm that Christian Sheperd did fake his death to get Jack on the plane somehow. And why Claire is not dead and explains why she can see him etc etc???
  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    raystrey wrote:
    so we know somehow lock was put on the plane right. or at least guided towards that walk guide to find himself.

    Soooooo does this confirm that Christian Sheperd did fake his death to get Jack on the plane somehow. And why Claire is not dead and explains why she can see him etc etc???

    Maybe she is dead. I got the impression that was up in the air. And, yes, it was Locke's destiny to be on that plane.
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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    Lukin66 wrote:
    btw...is it just me, or is Keamy hot hot hot? god bless his psychotic heart

    Keamy? The crazy freighter guy? yeah, he's good-looking, if you like manical killers...which, of course, I do.
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  • raystrey
    raystrey Posts: 171
    AmentsChick wrote:
    Maybe she is dead. I got the impression that was up in the air. And, yes, it was Locke's destiny to be on that plane.


    Destiny if he somehow decided on his own but if someone is droping you hints,guideing,pushing , etc then to me it starts not to look like destiny.........right?

    damn this show gets me to burn too many brain cells
  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    raystrey wrote:
    Destiny if he somehow decided on his own but if someone is droping you hints,guideing,pushing , etc then to me it starts not to look like destiny.........right?

    damn this show gets me to burn too many brain cells
    LOL! Join the club.

    And, yes he was totally pushed into it...needless to say it was his destiny...because he *DID* end up there.
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    AmentsChick wrote:
    Maybe she is dead. I got the impression that was up in the air. And, yes, it was Locke's destiny to be on that plane.
    As it was Clarie's....remember the string of people trying to insure that she got on that flight.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    tybird wrote:
    As it was Clarie's....remember the string of people trying to insure that she got on that flight.

    Yup! I totally agree. To be honest, I've always thought it was ALL of their destinies to be on that plane.
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  • Pauk
    Pauk Posts: 1,084
    That's what I took from the episode. It was pretty much a debate over whether Locke was a man of science or a man of faith. He thought it was luck that got him to the island (i.e. the man of faith they've been portraying him as since the beginning) but this episode pretty clearly shows that it was all planned (i.e. man of science like his teacher told him). Maybe this is a turning point for his character, with the movement of the island bringing out the man of science in Locke with much less blind faith. Afterall, it wasn't Locke that found the cabin, which obviously requires a lot of faith.

    But then it gets into lots of philosophical debates Lost fans love so much.
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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    fowls wrote:
    That's what I took from the episode. It was pretty much a debate over whether Locke was a man of science or a man of faith. He thought it was luck that got him to the island (i.e. the man of faith they've been portraying him as since the beginning) but this episode pretty clearly shows that it was all planned (i.e. man of science like his teacher told him). Maybe this is a turning point for his character, with the movement of the island bringing out the man of science in Locke with much less blind faith. Afterall, it wasn't Locke that found the cabin, which obviously requires a lot of faith.

    But then it gets into lots of philosophical debates Lost fans love so much.

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