Eighteen of Europe's richest football powers have launched an attempt to kill off the Champions League in its present form and take ownership of the game's most prestigious club competition from the governing body, Uefa.
In an internal policy document obtained by the Guardian, the G14 group - whose members include Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal, but not Chelsea - outlines its intention to guarantee the dominance of its 18 clubs in European football.
The organisation has long been suspected of seeking to form a breakaway organisation. However, having hitherto depicted itself as being merely a pressure group, the document, G14 Vision Europe, makes plain its desire to take control of elements of the game's governance and represents a clear escalation of its ambitions.
In it G14, which formed in 2000 and took in four more members two years later without changing its name, concedes that member clubs should continue to play in domestic leagues. However, it demands guarantees for their year-on-year participation in the continent's elite club competition and does not rule out a complete breakaway from traditional structures to form a European Super League.
"Domestic club competitions currently represent, and will continue to represent, the core football activity of the G14 member clubs," the document states.
"International club competitions represent an indispensable complement to the domestic competitions and therefore need to guarantee the participating clubs a reasonable number of matches, so as to allow these top-level clubs the opportunity to effectively forward plan so that they can maximise their chances of a 'return on investment'.
"Governing structures ... would be based on a clear needs basis ... This would quite possibly involve a detachment of the top professional level from all remaining levels underneath, if this was agreed upon by the clubs."
The desire to crystallise power - and wealth - among just 18 teams will come as an enormous blow to ambitious clubs such as Everton, England's fourth-placed side last season, and Tottenham, who are currently fourth in the Premiership. Even Chelsea, though supported by a billionaire benefactor in Roman Abramovich, have found it impossible to break into G14's exclusive alliance.
"Increasing membership is not currently on the table," a G14 insider told the Guardian earlier this week. With the group calling for "more reliable criteria" regarding participation in Europe's elite club competitions in its Vision Europe, the implication for those clubs would seem to be that striving for and investing in a top-four finish would be pointless.
The document states that the final reviewed version became "official G14 policy" last December, though a spokesman said last night that the leaked text was a draft based on discussions. He added that the 10 key principles published on its website on Thursday were the outcome of subsequent talks.
(source: The Guardian)
lol whats yer sudden interest in Boro?
watching the Manure game now..so fucking bored :(
LIVERPOOL FC -18 time League Champions-15 time Charity Shield Holders-7 time League Cup Winners-7 time FA Cup Winners-5 time European Champions-4 time UEFA Cup Winners-3 time European Super Cup Winners-1 time World Super Cup Winners
LIVERPOOL FC -18 time League Champions-15 time Charity Shield Holders-7 time League Cup Winners-7 time FA Cup Winners-5 time European Champions-4 time UEFA Cup Winners-3 time European Super Cup Winners-1 time World Super Cup Winners
oh manu won ...2 times saha good boy:D 1:2
boro lost but lots of golas in the match ...:D 3:2
and west ham ...they lost 2:4 ...i don´t know what´s wrong with them ...not shure
it doesn´t look could for boro (anyways from place 18 on i guess that would mean goin down here it would be in the 2nd bundesliga how´s that in england??)
and i hope schalke gonna beat bayern munic today couse than hsv just are 3 points away well and than 8 matches all together and than wow that would be cool..
PSV won last night with 1-0. Feyenoord will play against AZ over an half hour. So over 2 weeks PSV is the champion!
Lalalalalala lalalalalalala can't wait until we have more titles than ajax.
« One man's glory is another man's hell.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
The Liverpool side for today's game at St James' Park is:
Reina
Carragher
Hyypia
Agger
Warnock
Gerrard
Hamann
Kromkamp
Kewell
Cisse
Crouch
Subs:
Dudek
Garcia
Traore
Fowler
Alonso
interesting line up..i assume Carra will play right full back?
hopefully Agger and Cisse can play as well as they did against Fulham as well.
COME ON YOU REDS!
YNWA
LIVERPOOL FC -18 time League Champions-15 time Charity Shield Holders-7 time League Cup Winners-7 time FA Cup Winners-5 time European Champions-4 time UEFA Cup Winners-3 time European Super Cup Winners-1 time World Super Cup Winners
The Liverpool side for today's game at St James' Park is:
Reina
Carragher
Hyypia
Agger
Warnock
Gerrard
Hamann
Kromkamp
Kewell
Cisse
Crouch
Subs:
Dudek
Garcia
Traore
Fowler
Alonso
interesting line up..i assume Carra will play right full back?
hopefully Agger and Cisse can play as well as they did against Fulham as well.
COME ON YOU REDS!
YNWA
How is Kromkamp doing over there?
Is he doing any good?
Has he found his way?
« One man's glory is another man's hell.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
« One man's glory is another man's hell.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
« One man's glory is another man's hell.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
« One man's glory is another man's hell.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
where maybe hsv can go;) with this today (bayern vs schalke -schalke has to win than we hsv just three points away to be germany´s no 1 and than 8 matches ....)
where maybe hsv can go;) with this today (bayern vs schalke -schalke has to win than we hsv just three points away to be germany´s no 1 and than 8 matches ....)
I hope so Go down FC Hollywood
« One man's glory is another man's hell.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
where maybe hsv can go;) with this today (bayern vs schalke -schalke has to win than we hsv just three points away to be germany´s no 1 and than 8 matches ....)
« One man's glory is another man's hell.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
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In an internal policy document obtained by the Guardian, the G14 group - whose members include Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal, but not Chelsea - outlines its intention to guarantee the dominance of its 18 clubs in European football.
The organisation has long been suspected of seeking to form a breakaway organisation. However, having hitherto depicted itself as being merely a pressure group, the document, G14 Vision Europe, makes plain its desire to take control of elements of the game's governance and represents a clear escalation of its ambitions.
In it G14, which formed in 2000 and took in four more members two years later without changing its name, concedes that member clubs should continue to play in domestic leagues. However, it demands guarantees for their year-on-year participation in the continent's elite club competition and does not rule out a complete breakaway from traditional structures to form a European Super League.
"Domestic club competitions currently represent, and will continue to represent, the core football activity of the G14 member clubs," the document states.
"International club competitions represent an indispensable complement to the domestic competitions and therefore need to guarantee the participating clubs a reasonable number of matches, so as to allow these top-level clubs the opportunity to effectively forward plan so that they can maximise their chances of a 'return on investment'.
"Governing structures ... would be based on a clear needs basis ... This would quite possibly involve a detachment of the top professional level from all remaining levels underneath, if this was agreed upon by the clubs."
The desire to crystallise power - and wealth - among just 18 teams will come as an enormous blow to ambitious clubs such as Everton, England's fourth-placed side last season, and Tottenham, who are currently fourth in the Premiership. Even Chelsea, though supported by a billionaire benefactor in Roman Abramovich, have found it impossible to break into G14's exclusive alliance.
"Increasing membership is not currently on the table," a G14 insider told the Guardian earlier this week. With the group calling for "more reliable criteria" regarding participation in Europe's elite club competitions in its Vision Europe, the implication for those clubs would seem to be that striving for and investing in a top-four finish would be pointless.
The document states that the final reviewed version became "official G14 policy" last December, though a spokesman said last night that the leaked text was a draft based on discussions. He added that the 10 key principles published on its website on Thursday were the outcome of subsequent talks.
(source: The Guardian)
For Holland PSV and Ajax are in the G14.
hsv is leading
manu is leading
west ham is not leading samje asboro ain´t leading
watching the Manure game now..so fucking bored :(
Walk on with hope in your heart
YNWA
Walk on with hope in your heart
YNWA
boro lost but lots of golas in the match ...:D 3:2
and west ham ...they lost 2:4 ...i don´t know what´s wrong with them ...not shure
it doesn´t look could for boro (anyways from place 18 on i guess that would mean goin down here it would be in the 2nd bundesliga how´s that in england??)
my intrest for boro lol that´s my secret;):D
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nice pic;)
by the way west ham is playing on monday?(FA cup right)
good luck boys ...
Lalalalalala lalalalalalala can't wait until we have more titles than ajax.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
Reina
Carragher
Hyypia
Agger
Warnock
Gerrard
Hamann
Kromkamp
Kewell
Cisse
Crouch
Subs:
Dudek
Garcia
Traore
Fowler
Alonso
interesting line up..i assume Carra will play right full back?
hopefully Agger and Cisse can play as well as they did against Fulham as well.
COME ON YOU REDS!
YNWA
Walk on with hope in your heart
YNWA
How is Kromkamp doing over there?
Is he doing any good?
Has he found his way?
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
PSV is almost there!!
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
3 matches to go!
And then:.............. Justice for all!
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
PSV 73 points
AZ 64 points
Feyenoord 63 points
That's really cool. I hadn't expected AZ to win.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
where maybe hsv can go;) with this today (bayern vs schalke -schalke has to win than we hsv just three points away to be germany´s no 1 and than 8 matches ....)
I hope so Go down FC Hollywood
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
I will pray for you
they play allready
http://www1.soccerstand.com/
thank you ....
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
off course ..................
And Newcastle scored 1-2