well. in that quote obama doesn't state that arkansas borders kentucky, so i'm not sure where you are going with your statement. arkansas is near kentucky and in the same region (in 'the middle' there).
Illinois borders Kentucky while Arkansas doesn't, which makes Obama technically "closer."
Barack just wanted to find an easier way to say that kentucky is full of white people that love hillary.
What the Fuck does that mean? That's like John Kerry saying he had a plan for this and that. But he NEVER said what his plan was.
This is all I know about Obama is that he is for "change". I have to say "huh"? That's a good reason to vote for him. Please everyone don't be sheep this time.
You said the first part and then had the nerve to call people sheep? You fell for the Republican/Fox News talking points pretty good with that Kerry comment.
Seriously, Kerry would spend a day giving the same speech in three different states laying out a plan for issue x or y, then on the news that night, Fox and all of the Bush mouthpiece interviewed on all of the networks would say he didn't have a plan on the issue that he spent all day talking about. Sheep is right...
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what does that mean exactly? that Kentucky is to the south of Illinois? if so, you are correct.
i mean KY is a Southern state. we're talking dixie here. it is part of the south. the southern region of the united states. IL is a midwestern state. regional differences have existed for many years now. KY will have certain regional similarities to AR because they are part of the south.
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cross the river to the eastside
i mean KY is a Southern state. we're talking dixie here. it is part of the south. the southern region of the united states. IL is a midwestern state. regional differences have existed for many years now. KY will have certain regional similarities to AR because they are part of the south.
um, no, we're not talking dixie here. "dixie" is a reference to the "deep south" or the former confederate states. Kentucky is not deep south and was not a confederate state. Arkansas is deep south and was a confederate state.
while I generally agree that Kentucky is a southern state, it is BARELY a southern state. if the mason-dixon line were drawn all the way from the east coast to the west, Kentucky's northern border would be on the line. and the line would go through the middle of Illinois. so does that mean that Illinois is "half southern"? Kentucky also borders Ohio and Indiana, and I would imagine Kentucky residents probably have more in common with these people (as well as people from Virginia and Tennesee) than they do with people from Arkansas.
um, no, we're not talking dixie here. "dixie" is a reference to the "deep south" or the former confederate states. Kentucky is not deep south and was not a confederate state. Arkansas is deep south and was a confederate state.
while I generally agree that Kentucky is a southern state, it is BARELY a southern state. if the mason-dixon line were drawn all the way from the east coast to the west, Kentucky's northern border would be on the line. and the line would go through the middle of Illinois. so does that mean that Illinois is "half southern"? Kentucky also borders Ohio and Indiana, and I would imagine Kentucky residents probably have more in common with these people (as well as people from Virginia and Tennesee) than they do with people from Arkansas.
Christ. Then agree and move on.
Barely on a map yes, but in metality south all the way. But then you already knew that.
Barely on a map yes, but in metality south all the way. But then you already knew that.
how so? isn't this thread about Obama? didn't Obama WIN most of the "dixie" states while losing Kentucky?
EDIT: went back and checked. Obama did indeed win all the "dixie" states while Clinton won Ohio, Indiana, Tennesee, WV, and I believe Virginia. which would mean that the people of Kentucky likely have more in common with these states than the people of the deep south.
how so? isn't this thread about Obama? didn't Obama WIN most of the "dixie" states while losing Kentucky?
EDIT: went back and checked. Obama did indeed win all the "dixie" states while Clinton won Ohio, Indiana, Tennesee, WV, and I believe Virginia. which would mean that the people of Kentucky likely have more in common with these states than the people of the deep south.
Anytime Obama doesn't win, his supporters can't wait to cry about that state being racist or backwoods dixie...it's really ridiculous. Did you catch the W Virginia thread?
I guess SC, NC, GA and so on have all become enlightened enough now to rise above the dixie stereotype because they voted for Obama!! I wonder if it will keep these same people from making ignorant remarks in the future about these states? Somehow I'm doubting it.
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Anytime Obama doesn't win, his supporters can't wait to cry about that state being racist or backwoods dixie...it's really ridiculous. Did you catch the W Virginia thread?
I didn't catch that thread, but I've seen it all over the media.......Hillary wins by landslide in mostly white WV and it's because they're poor uneducated racists....Obama gets 90% of the black vote in NC and not a word is mentioned of such a disparity. when in actuality, places like WV and Kentucky are closer to the "middle" than NC, at least in terms of geographic location and where their neighbors in bordering states stand on political issues.
and I can tell you already, it won't keep anyone from talking crap about the south. if Obama wins in November, it will be because of the southern states that swung his way. but we'll still be a bunch of racist hillbillies.
I didn't catch that thread, but I've seen it all over the media.......Hillary wins by landslide in mostly white WV and it's because they're poor uneducated racists....Obama gets 90% of the black vote in NC and not a word is mentioned of such a disparity. when in actuality, places like WV and Kentucky are closer to the "middle" than NC, at least in terms of geographic location and where their neighbors in bordering states stand on political issues.
and I can tell you already, it won't keep anyone from talking crap about the south. if Obama wins in November, it will be because of the southern states that swung his way. but we'll still be a bunch of racist hillbillies.
fuck em
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I didn't catch that thread, but I've seen it all over the media.......Hillary wins by landslide in mostly white WV and it's because they're poor uneducated racists....Obama gets 90% of the black vote in NC and not a word is mentioned of such a disparity. when in actuality, places like WV and Kentucky are closer to the "middle" than NC, at least in terms of geographic location and where their neighbors in bordering states stand on political issues.
and I can tell you already, it won't keep anyone from talking crap about the south. if Obama wins in November, it will be because of the southern states that swung his way. but we'll still be a bunch of racist hillbillies.
obama won those southern states because of the black vote. those black voters have not stated in the past they wouldn't vote for a white person. clearly they've been voting for white people. people have actually stated, in states such as KY and WV, that they wouldn't vote for obama *because of his race*. there is a big difference here.
Working-class (i.e. less educated) whites, consistently a better Clinton group, especially in Southern states, were far more dominant in Kentucky than in Oregon. They accounted for two-thirds of white voters in Kentucky, and backed Clinton by 4-1. Working-class whites in Oregon divided, 50 percent for Clinton, 49 percent for Obama.
But in Kentucky it wasn't just about the white working class; Clinton won college-educated whites in Kentucky as well, by less of a margin but nearly 2-1. Obama's problem was with these white voters overall. His greatest losses among whites, by 40 points or more, all have been in Southern states – Arkansas, Kentucky, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee and West Virginia.
Reflecting their discomfort with Obama, nearly half of Kentucky Democrats said they would not support him in a November election against John McCain, again similar to the result in West Virginia. In Oregon, by contrast, only 12 percent said they wouldn't vote for Obama against McCain, as many as wouldn't support Clinton as the nominee.
As in West Virginia, among other states, there were indications of some racially motivated voting in Kentucky. Nearly two in 10 whites said race was an important factor in their vote, and nearly nine in 10 of them voted for Clinton. More strikingly, among those whites who called race a factor, just 29 percent said they'd support Obama if he's the nominee in November – the fewest to date in states where the question's been asked. Four in 10 said they'd support McCain; the rest wouldn't vote.
Anytime Obama doesn't win, his supporters can't wait to cry about that state being racist or backwoods dixie...it's really ridiculous. Did you catch the W Virginia thread?
I guess SC, NC, GA and so on have all become enlightened enough now to rise above the dixie stereotype because they voted for Obama!! I wonder if it will keep these same people from making ignorant remarks in the future about these states? Somehow I'm doubting it.
yeah the black people voted for obama there in SC, NC, and GA. that's how he won. he lost states like KY and WV partially because some whites wouldn't vote for him. and those states had many more white voters overall. race is just one part of many things in this election, but it is a part.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
obama won those southern states because of the black vote. those black voters have not stated in the past they wouldn't vote for a white person. clearly they've been voting for white people. people have actually stated, in states such as KY and WV, that they wouldn't vote for obama *because of his race*. there is a big difference here.
actually, Obama has had a huge number of newly registered voters who voted for him. which would mean voters who haven't voted before. which would be another way of saying in the past that they weren't going to vote for a white candidate.
actually, Obama has had a huge number of newly registered voters who voted for him. which would mean voters who haven't voted before. which would be another way of saying in the past that they weren't going to vote for a white candidate.
to be honest it does not mean that it the past they would not hav evoted for a white candidate, it could mean that in teh past they were not allowed to vote i.e. they were too young.
if they came of age and Obama was not running they might still have voted for a white candidate.
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actually, Obama has had a huge number of newly registered voters who voted for him. which would mean voters who haven't voted before. which would be another way of saying in the past that they weren't going to vote for a white candidate.
Obama has registered a huge number of new white voters as well.
Futhermore, i think its fair to point out that far more than race, gender as played a large role in this primay season with clinton clearly benefitting from that. The vast majority of clinton suppoters swearing they will never vote for Obama are women, and thats true throughout the United States, not just select pockets.
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EDIT: went back and checked. Obama did indeed win all the "dixie" states while Clinton won Ohio, Indiana, Tennesee, WV, and I believe Virginia..
You believe wrong. Obama absolutely killed Clinton in Virginia - 64% to 35%.
Also, in "dixie" states, the majority of whites vote Republican - so, and I'm just guessing here, but I imagine anyone who wins a Democratic primary in one of those states probably won the black vote.
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"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong." - Barack "I See Dead People" Obama
thats funny
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
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- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
yeah the black people voted for obama there in SC, NC, and GA. that's how he won. he lost states like KY and WV partially because some whites wouldn't vote for him. and those states had many more white voters overall. race is just one part of many things in this election, but it is a part.
I'm pretty sure it has a lot to do with more conservative views, no trust in the govt, immigration, jobs, economy and also religious views (which many feel liberal types disrespect)
Get a clue.
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I'm pretty sure it has a lot to do with more conservative views, no trust in the govt, immigration, jobs, economy and also religious views (which many feel liberal types disrespect)
Get a clue.
yeah i got a clue from people who actually admitted they voted based on race. some people actually admitted this. funny you call me the small minded one.
i also got a clue from the actual numbers of black voters. I CAN HAZ MATH!!!!11
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cross the river to the eastside
yeah i got a clue from people who actually admitted they voted based on race. some people actually admitted this. funny you call me the small minded one.
i also got a clue from the actual numbers of black voters. I CAN HAZ MATH!!!!11
Well, I'm sure you didn't hear from every voter, just the ones who say some dumb shit so the media has some sensationlaistic, divisive story they can plaster all over the news. I have a hard time believing you have some sort of proof that the majority of voters voted the way they did because of race. Also, there has been record numbers of people registering to vote from many different groups.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Well, I'm sure you didn't hear from every voter, just the ones who say some dumb shit so the media has some sensationlaistic, divisive story they can plaster all over the news. I have a hard time believing you have some sort of proof that the majority of voters voted the way they did because of race. Also, there has been record numbers of people registering to vote from many different groups.
your level of comprehension can't be beat.
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Barack just wanted to find an easier way to say that kentucky is full of white people that love hillary.
oh i see what you're saying. but only a small portion of IL borders KY. and KY is definitely more of a southern state than IL is.
cross the river to the eastside
what does that mean exactly? that Kentucky is to the south of Illinois? if so, you are correct.
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You said the first part and then had the nerve to call people sheep? You fell for the Republican/Fox News talking points pretty good with that Kerry comment.
Seriously, Kerry would spend a day giving the same speech in three different states laying out a plan for issue x or y, then on the news that night, Fox and all of the Bush mouthpiece interviewed on all of the networks would say he didn't have a plan on the issue that he spent all day talking about. Sheep is right...
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
i mean KY is a Southern state. we're talking dixie here. it is part of the south. the southern region of the united states. IL is a midwestern state. regional differences have existed for many years now. KY will have certain regional similarities to AR because they are part of the south.
cross the river to the eastside
um, no, we're not talking dixie here. "dixie" is a reference to the "deep south" or the former confederate states. Kentucky is not deep south and was not a confederate state. Arkansas is deep south and was a confederate state.
while I generally agree that Kentucky is a southern state, it is BARELY a southern state. if the mason-dixon line were drawn all the way from the east coast to the west, Kentucky's northern border would be on the line. and the line would go through the middle of Illinois. so does that mean that Illinois is "half southern"? Kentucky also borders Ohio and Indiana, and I would imagine Kentucky residents probably have more in common with these people (as well as people from Virginia and Tennesee) than they do with people from Arkansas.
Christ. Then agree and move on.
Barely on a map yes, but in metality south all the way. But then you already knew that.
wtf is mentally south?
give me this description, please...
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
how so? isn't this thread about Obama? didn't Obama WIN most of the "dixie" states while losing Kentucky?
EDIT: went back and checked. Obama did indeed win all the "dixie" states while Clinton won Ohio, Indiana, Tennesee, WV, and I believe Virginia. which would mean that the people of Kentucky likely have more in common with these states than the people of the deep south.
Anytime Obama doesn't win, his supporters can't wait to cry about that state being racist or backwoods dixie...it's really ridiculous. Did you catch the W Virginia thread?
I guess SC, NC, GA and so on have all become enlightened enough now to rise above the dixie stereotype because they voted for Obama!! I wonder if it will keep these same people from making ignorant remarks in the future about these states? Somehow I'm doubting it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I didn't catch that thread, but I've seen it all over the media.......Hillary wins by landslide in mostly white WV and it's because they're poor uneducated racists....Obama gets 90% of the black vote in NC and not a word is mentioned of such a disparity. when in actuality, places like WV and Kentucky are closer to the "middle" than NC, at least in terms of geographic location and where their neighbors in bordering states stand on political issues.
and I can tell you already, it won't keep anyone from talking crap about the south. if Obama wins in November, it will be because of the southern states that swung his way. but we'll still be a bunch of racist hillbillies.
fuck em
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
obama won those southern states because of the black vote. those black voters have not stated in the past they wouldn't vote for a white person. clearly they've been voting for white people. people have actually stated, in states such as KY and WV, that they wouldn't vote for obama *because of his race*. there is a big difference here.
here we go. i love you, oregon!
http://www.abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/story?id=4896202&page=1
Working-class (i.e. less educated) whites, consistently a better Clinton group, especially in Southern states, were far more dominant in Kentucky than in Oregon. They accounted for two-thirds of white voters in Kentucky, and backed Clinton by 4-1. Working-class whites in Oregon divided, 50 percent for Clinton, 49 percent for Obama.
But in Kentucky it wasn't just about the white working class; Clinton won college-educated whites in Kentucky as well, by less of a margin but nearly 2-1. Obama's problem was with these white voters overall. His greatest losses among whites, by 40 points or more, all have been in Southern states – Arkansas, Kentucky, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee and West Virginia.
Reflecting their discomfort with Obama, nearly half of Kentucky Democrats said they would not support him in a November election against John McCain, again similar to the result in West Virginia. In Oregon, by contrast, only 12 percent said they wouldn't vote for Obama against McCain, as many as wouldn't support Clinton as the nominee.
As in West Virginia, among other states, there were indications of some racially motivated voting in Kentucky. Nearly two in 10 whites said race was an important factor in their vote, and nearly nine in 10 of them voted for Clinton. More strikingly, among those whites who called race a factor, just 29 percent said they'd support Obama if he's the nominee in November – the fewest to date in states where the question's been asked. Four in 10 said they'd support McCain; the rest wouldn't vote.
here is an interesting essay on appalachia:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/17/opinion/17blow.html
cross the river to the eastside
yeah the black people voted for obama there in SC, NC, and GA. that's how he won. he lost states like KY and WV partially because some whites wouldn't vote for him. and those states had many more white voters overall. race is just one part of many things in this election, but it is a part.
cross the river to the eastside
oops...mentality
hillbillies
actually, Obama has had a huge number of newly registered voters who voted for him. which would mean voters who haven't voted before. which would be another way of saying in the past that they weren't going to vote for a white candidate.
to be honest it does not mean that it the past they would not hav evoted for a white candidate, it could mean that in teh past they were not allowed to vote i.e. they were too young.
if they came of age and Obama was not running they might still have voted for a white candidate.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
Obama has registered a huge number of new white voters as well.
Futhermore, i think its fair to point out that far more than race, gender as played a large role in this primay season with clinton clearly benefitting from that. The vast majority of clinton suppoters swearing they will never vote for Obama are women, and thats true throughout the United States, not just select pockets.
Also, in "dixie" states, the majority of whites vote Republican - so, and I'm just guessing here, but I imagine anyone who wins a Democratic primary in one of those states probably won the black vote.
especially the fool who started it!
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thats funny
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
How extremely small minded.
I'm pretty sure it has a lot to do with more conservative views, no trust in the govt, immigration, jobs, economy and also religious views (which many feel liberal types disrespect)
Get a clue.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
yeah i got a clue from people who actually admitted they voted based on race. some people actually admitted this. funny you call me the small minded one.
i also got a clue from the actual numbers of black voters. I CAN HAZ MATH!!!!11
cross the river to the eastside
Well, I'm sure you didn't hear from every voter, just the ones who say some dumb shit so the media has some sensationlaistic, divisive story they can plaster all over the news. I have a hard time believing you have some sort of proof that the majority of voters voted the way they did because of race. Also, there has been record numbers of people registering to vote from many different groups.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
your level of comprehension can't be beat.
cross the river to the eastside
Maybe it's more of a problem with seeing the world the way you choose to.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
racist