Prostitution

SoonForgotten2

Thecure wrote:

i say legal.

i think that theer are many issues around prostition that have to be looked at. to begin, protection of teh men and women who are selling themselves for money. in canada, having sex for money is legal but teh act of selling oneself is not. also have a brothel is illigal in canada and so is living off teh avails of prostition is illigal so you can't have a pimp. howver, for many men and women who are sex workers want a saef place to bring johns to such as a brothel but they can't legally. teh same issues arises with pimps, soem women and men want that protection but you must worry that pimps will take advanatage of teh people.

i think what truely needs to happen is that police are taught how to handle sex workesr and understand teh issues that they face.

Legal, regulated and proof-read.

JOEJOEJOE

Kel Varnsen wrote:

That is what I have always thought. I mean right now if a prostitute gets paid for sex laws are being broken, but if a porn star does the exact same thing and it is all nice and legal. How does that make any sense?

So if you film your session with a hooker, maybe it is legal!

Some consider prostitution an immoral act....I think that is from where the laws stem.

PJPAT

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Isn't marriage essentially prostitution in most cases?, starting off from the first date where the guy pays.

Not really because when you get married sex is limited.

Do you know why a bride is smiling when she is walking down the aisle to get married? It is beacuse she has given her last BJ.

I think this should be legal but needs to be cleaned up of the diseases, drugs and pimps that come with it. It is the oldest profession and jobs are needed and this would bring jobs for sure.

Drowned Out

Kel Varnsen wrote:

That is what I have always thought. I mean right now if a prostitute gets paid for sex laws are being broken, but if a porn star does the exact same thing and it is all nice and legal. How does that make any sense?

I'm not sure if it's Canada-wide,...but I don't think exchanging money for sex is illegal...it's the communication that's illegal. In other words...you could hand someone money and have sex with them as long as you don't speak about it...as soon as you make an offer, or she gives you a price, then it's illegal.....which is even stupider. 'living off the avails' is the pimp law, which is pretty fuckin arbitrary as well....Not sure how they get around that with porn...

and yes....legalize it. another morality-based law that should not be on the books.

saveuplife

I have a tough time answering this. I absolutely lean towards legal at first because I don't think the government should be interfering here and because they can't really stop it so resources should not be wated. However, I've been to Amsterdam and I do have to say it's very disgusting/depressing in the red light district. The plus of having it illegal is that it doesn't get promoted the way it does in Amsterdam.

I'll be honest, this is one issue where I just can't make up my mind. I can see the pluses and minuses of both sides.

I suppose if I had to say, I'd go legal with a large large degree of hesitation.

Wilds

saveuplife wrote:

I have a tough time answering this. I absolutely lean towards legal at first because I don't think the government should be interfering here and because they can't really stop it so resources should not be wated. However, I've been to Amsterdam and I do have to say it's very disgusting/depressing in the red light district. The plus of having it illegal is that it doesn't get promoted the way it does in Amsterdam.

I'll be honest, this is one issue where I just can't make up my mind. I can see the pluses and minuses of both sides.

I suppose if I had to say, I'd go legal with a large large degree of hesitation.

Also you could choose to stay out of the red light district.

If it was legalized I don't think you would have McDonalds on one side, a brothel in the middle and a Chuck E Cheese on the other.

It would be regulated and not in your face I would imagine.

Jeremy1012

Legal.

Oldest profession in the world. It will never be stamped out. At least make things a bit safer for the people doing it. Legal, monitored brothels with compulsory STI tests and safety alarms are the way forward. They do it in plenty of countries, why not all of them.

Wilds

hartamh wrote:

Is this male and female??? :eek:

Well if they legalize this. Can you imagine what other things would be?? :eek:

of course it's male and female. And I can't imagine what other things would be as a result of this. Enlighten me?

Kel Varnsen

Drowned Out wrote:

I'm not sure if it's Canada-wide,...but I don't think exchanging money for sex is illegal...it's the communication that's illegal. In other words...you could hand someone money and have sex with them as long as you don't speak about it...as soon as you make an offer, or she gives you a price, then it's illegal.....which is even stupider. 'living off the avails' is the pimp law, which is pretty fuckin arbitrary as well....Not sure how they get around that with porn...

and yes....legalize it. another morality-based law that should not be on the books.

Yea I knew that in most places that the solitication is the crime. But either way if if a prostitute and a john make an agreement fo sex it is a crime, but a porn star can legally sign a contract to have sex for money. The only big difference is that porn stars don't seem to be easy targets for people like Robert Pickton.

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saveuplife wrote:

I have a tough time answering this. I absolutely lean towards legal at first because I don't think the government should be interfering here and because they can't really stop it so resources should not be wated. However, I've been to Amsterdam and I do have to say it's very disgusting/depressing in the red light district. The plus of having it illegal is that it doesn't get promoted the way it does in Amsterdam.

I'll be honest, this is one issue where I just can't make up my mind. I can see the pluses and minuses of both sides.

I suppose if I had to say, I'd go legal with a large large degree of hesitation.

The red light district is nasty, but that's a separate issue from prostitution. The people in any town can regulate stuff like that through zoning. The town I grew up in doesn't allow any strip clubs to operate for example. I'm willing to bet that if prostitution was made legal in the U.S., call girls would pretty much dominate the industry, and we wouldn't see too many red light districts.

I think the question of legality should be based on things like safety and security for the people involved.

OffHeGoes29

Legal....as long as it doesn't turn into a sex slave ring.

OffHeGoes29

Kel Varnsen wrote:

Yea I knew that in most places that the solitication is the crime. But either way if if a prostitute and a john make an agreement fo sex it is a crime, but a porn star can legally sign a contract to have sex for money. The only big difference is that porn stars don't seem to be easy targets for people like Robert Pickton.

I think porn stars are payed to "Act", and it just so happens their acting is full on sex. I think its different then prostitution....not by much.

mammasan

Being a kept man or a kept mistress is not illegal and that is pretty much the same thing. You are receiving some type of payment or favor for sex.

VictoryGin

PJPAT wrote:

Not really because when you get married sex is limited.

Do you know why a bride is smiling when she is walking down the aisle to get married? It is beacuse she has given her last BJ.

I think this should be legal but needs to be cleaned up of the diseases, drugs and pimps that come with it. It is the oldest profession and jobs are needed and this would bring jobs for sure.

i'm going to go out on a limb here and say that married sex for you might be limited because of your attitude and what i presume is a lack of ability or desire to satisfy a woman.

i really hope this is not what women have to resort to for a job, seeing that "jobs are needed and this would bring jobs for sure." i don't think it's too unrealistic or idealistic to want to build up the health care or environmental sectors for example, instead of focusing on, or resorting to, the prostitution sector because we all know women are more represented and disadvantaged there.

Jeremy1012 wrote:

Legal.

Oldest profession in the world. It will never be stamped out. At least make things a bit safer for the people doing it. Legal, monitored brothels with compulsory STI tests and safety alarms are the way forward. They do it in plenty of countries, why not all of them.

hey maybe it will be stamped out when our patriarchal culture stops objectifying women.

Jeremy1012

VictoryGin wrote:

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hey maybe it will be stamped out when our patriarchal culture stops objectifying women.

Doubtful. There will always be women who think they have no other options and nothing left to sell but their bodies, regardless of societies views on women. I'd imagine for most prositutes it has bugger all to do with gender or sexuality, it's just commodification.

If it was only because of our partriarchal society then why do male street hustlers exist?

Collin

VictoryGin wrote:

hey maybe it will be stamped out when our patriarchal culture stops objectifying women.

No, I think it'll exist after that as well. Basics needs, you know. There are a lot of people who see it as their only option, who are pushed in that direction by circumstances that have nothing to do with the the objectification of women.

mammasan

Collin wrote:

No, I think it'll exist after that as well. Basics needs, you know. There are a lot of people who see it as their only option, who are pushed in that direction by circumstances that have nothing to do with the the objectification of women.

There are also women who choose to be call girls as well.

VictoryGin

Jeremy1012 wrote:

Doubtful. There will always be women who think they have no other options and nothing left to sell but their bodies, regardless of societies views on women. I'd imagine for most prositutes it has bugger all to do with gender or sexuality, it's just commodification.

If it was only because of our partriarchal society then why do male street hustlers exist?

male street hustlers and female prostitutes are mostly not comparable, in amount or any other regard. yes there are a few male prostitutes, but their small amount, and WHO they mostly cater TO just goes to demonstrate the difference in situations. i can't say that the entire thing would be wiped out, but if women weren't oppressed and objectified, then this profession wouldn't be seen as a last resort.

mammasan

VictoryGin wrote:

male street hustlers and female prostitutes are mostly not comparable, in amount or any other regard. yes there are a few male prostitutes, but their small amount, and WHO they mostly cater TO just goes to demonstrate the difference in situations. i can't say that the entire thing would be wiped out, but if women weren't oppressed and objectified, then this profession wouldn't be seen as a last resort.

What about the woman who choose to go into prostitution of their own free will. Not every woman who sells her body does so because she is down on her luck. Many high end call girls do so because they can make a lot of money in relatively short amount of time.

Jeremy1012

VictoryGin wrote:

male street hustlers and female prostitutes are mostly not comparable, in amount or any other regard. yes there are a few male prostitutes, but their small amount, and WHO they mostly cater TO just goes to demonstrate the difference in situations. i can't say that the entire thing would be wiped out, but if women weren't oppressed and objectified, then this profession wouldn't be seen as a last resort.

But my point is that there are male heroin addicts out there who sell their ass to cover their habit, the sex is desensitised and has absolutely nothing to do with sexuality or gender identity, a straight man can have sex with a man for cash. No one has forced them. The same can be said for many prostitutes. Of course there are those who go down that road because of emotional issues etc, and also women who are forced to against their will but my point is that because sex can be traded as a commodity, it will NEVER be eradicated.