It's A Convention Fight Now Obama
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He can't win on delegates now. Gotta love that spunky Clinton. Fighter. Bring your gloves to the convention and line up those super delegates....
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Clinton isn't going to have more delegates or the popular vote when the convention rolls around. It will then be up to the super delegates who won't gift wrap a republican victory in November.
see, i dont get this view. i dont think we could come close to having a republican victory with either Obama or Clinton running against McCain.
IMHO the dems will win the white house regardless of who wins the nominnation.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
Maybe but it will be close regardless of who the dem nominee is. You may not like McCains views and that he has said we'll be in Iraq for 50 to 100 years but at least he's being honest about it. Obama thinks he can pull troops out of Iraq by 2009 and he's dreaming. I don't like the war, or whatever you want to call it at this stage, but up and leaving is not the right thing to do.
If the dems or any candidate would say something along the lines of "I am going to work with the international community and repair our relationships. I am going to request assistance from the international community in stabalizing Iraq and it's borders." I could get behind something like that. It's not about "winning" anymore. It's about making shit right and then getting the fuck out. Just my hope I guess.
I know I'm dreaming....
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sometimes the smarter of the two will just naturally show up the other one
sorry Obama, Clinton's got your number buddy
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Just because you post the same ALL CAPS post twice, doesn't make it true. Since when was Obama supposed to win it out tonight? I haven't seen any poll that had him winning Ohio (which he was down 20+ points a month ago) or Rhode Island. And at best, Texas was within the margin of error.
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quit yelling...
mark my words...if billary gets the the nomination....McCain will be the next president....
Uhhhhh, you sure about that? I'm pretty sure she is the one who can't win on delegates. She still needs to average 60% of the vote totals in the remaining states to catch up with him. Also, the Obama camp is sitting on 50+ super delegates who are going to be coming out for him in the next couple of weeks.
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Since when was Obama the clear front runner in Texas or Ohio? Ohio is the perfect Clinton state. Lower income old guard Democrats? Those aren't the ones that have been winning states for Barack Obama.
The Clintons have very deep roots in Texas. The Mexican American vote there put her over the top, and the African Americans didn't turn out like the Obama camp was hoping.
Do you forget that two weeks ago Clinton had a 20+ point lead in these states? Say what you want about polls, but they are never THAT wrong.
McCain might just win this because the Democrats are going to be bloodied beyond recognition. If Obama is the nominee, McCain has all the material he needs to use against Obama, and it's been provided by Hillary Clinton. If she is the nominee, it will energize the Republican base to finally stick it to the Clintons.
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You're delusional.
At least 60% in ALL remaining states. She'll lose the next 2 states so let's bump that up to 65% in the remaining states after that. And that's just to tie in pledged delegates.
She can only win by stealing the nomination via superdelegates trumping the will of the pledged state delegates AND somehow getting FL and MI BOTH counted in her favor
You've been listening to the news too much today. They're bringing you along to keep you interested. The fact is that she's pretty much STILL done.
basically neither one can outright win on delegates even with michigan and florida even if they win the remaining states because of the way delegates are split. It will come down to the convention and either way it's going to piss a lot of people off.
Basically it's too bad neither of the major US parties hasn't picked better canidates to support for the past 8 years.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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She will lose Mississippi and I don't know about Wyoming. So she will lose ground but not necessarily momentum. She could run away with Pennsylvania, win Indiana, Kentucky, and West Virginia easily. Oregon doubtful. That makes North Carolina critical. If she can manage a win there she is close enough to make it a convention fight. You can hardly call that stealting it. The process is the process. One can argue Obama is stealing it since the will and vote of two key states are not being counted. Is that Democratic? So who is the thief here? Florida, at a minimum, should count. Dems cant afford to alienate that key state. Thats how she wins.
The only way Florida and Michigan seat delegates is they re-vote... there is no way she wins states by 65%. Wake up dude... she is just going to bleed a slow slow death if she takes this past Penn.
http://www.pollster.com/08-NC-Dem-Pres-Primary.php
i agree. obama would do a lot better against mccain.
Wyoming is a caucus state... that means Hillary gets creamed... in the face.
I agree Obama should keep his lead, but I think he doesn't do too well in PA. Rendell (Gov) and Nutter (Philly mayor) are big Clinton supporters. I think Hillary should take the state pretty comfortably.
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She has a 4 point lead with 7 weeks to go... the hillbillies up north are not going to be able to stop Obama like Ohio. She sure as hell has no chance of winning with any sort of majority that nets her significant delegates.
You may be right, but why should she quit when it's possible to win? Because it will be easier for Obama? Fuck that. The guy clearly needs some seasoning and frankly if he can't take this heat he will be toast against the Republicans. Let the dude earn it and stop whining. Either one of these two can beat McCain because he will be easy to paint as the heir to GW and no one wants that. He isnt' unbeatable by any strech. As far as Michigan and Florida I think the Clintons would be in err if they try to make Michigan count as it. But if they were all on the ballot in Florida I dont see that as unfair. Well see but your in denial if you think this may go on to the convention. And it's not bad for the party. The Republicans are arrogant. I think the country is rivited right now by these two people and regardless who wins, this country, through this party, has taken us to a new level of discourse and we can all win.
You may be right, but why should she quit when it's possible to win? Because it will be easier for Obama? Fuck that. The guy clearly needs some seasoning and frankly if he can't take this heat he will be toast against the Republicans. Let the dude earn it and stop whining. Either one of these two can beat McCain because he will be easy to paint as the heir to GW and no one wants that. He isnt' unbeatable by any strech. As far as Michigan and Florida I think the Clintons would be in err if they try to make Michigan count as it. But if they were all on the ballot in Florida I dont see that as unfair. Well see but your in denial if you think this may go on to the convention. And it's not bad for the party. The Republicans are arrogant. I think the country is rivited right now by these two people and regardless who wins, this country, through this party, has taken us to a new level of discourse and we can all win.
I agree her lead has shrunk, but during that time it was shrinking she lost like a dozen states in a row. I think she wins by 8-10 points or maybe more.
Trust me I'm not a Hillary fan, but the odds are up against Obama in PA. The Western part of PA is a lot like Ohio and the Eastern part of the state is Rendell country. Plus the Northeastern part goes along with New York. I'm just not sure what part of the state he's going to win. If he's going to keep it close, he's going to need to get the endorsement of the mayor in Pittsburgh, because Philly's mayor is a close ally of Rendell and has been on the Hillary ticket the entire time.
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You obviously know more about the location
What exactly does this have to do with who votes for Obama? I thought he could pull in votes from all races since it appears it's all in your opinion.
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The total population is a little over 12 million and its about 80% White, 11% Black, and 4% Hispanic.
About a half million of the African American population lives in Philly. But the African American mayor is a big Clinton supporter and a close ally with Rendell.
Residents call the region between Philly and Pittsburgh - Pennsyltucky as its pretty red neck out there.
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You are missing the point of my question.
Interesting stuff. So it's hers to loose then. Why is she only 4 up will all those positives? Obama will now go negative. Her negatives far outweigh his.
Yeah, I expect to see nothing but campaign commercials for both sides for the next 7 weeks. And I agree her negatives far outweigh his. But I can definitely see Hillary going all out to try and get a big win. The state is definitely hers to lose. It's probably her last chance at a big victory (in terms of numbers in a meaningful state) before the convention.
The poll from the end of last week was only a 4% margin, But the polls from right after Super Tuesday were 12-16%. Like I said before I think the gap closed because of his winning streak and Obama had been getting a lot of positive press in Philly. I have a feeling that will change in the coming weeks.
You also have to factor in the Republican Primary is meaningless so the Rush disciples who have their own local right wing shows are already trying to get Republicans to switch registrations and become Democrats before the March 24th deadline to vote for Hillary. I heard one of them openly discussing it on my ride home from work today.
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- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
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- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
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