It's A Convention Fight Now Obama

Hollyweird

He can't win on delegates now. Gotta love that spunky Clinton. Fighter. Bring your gloves to the convention and line up those super delegates....

jubla19

Hollyweird wrote:

He can't win on delegates now. Gotta love that spunky Clinton. Fighter. Bring your gloves to the convention and line up those super delegates....

Clinton isn't going to have more delegates or the popular vote when the convention rolls around. It will then be up to the super delegates who won't gift wrap a republican victory in November.

the wolf

jubla19 wrote:

Clinton isn't going to have more delegates or the popular vote when the convention rolls around. It will then be up to the super delegates who won't gift wrap a republican victory in November.

see, i dont get this view. i dont think we could come close to having a republican victory with either Obama or Clinton running against McCain.

IMHO the dems will win the white house regardless of who wins the nominnation.

My3rdEye

the wolf wrote:

see, i dont get this view. i dont think we could come close to having a republican victory with either Obama or Clinton running against McCain.

IMHO the dems will win the white house regardless of who wins the nominnation.

Maybe but it will be close regardless of who the dem nominee is. You may not like McCains views and that he has said we'll be in Iraq for 50 to 100 years but at least he's being honest about it. Obama thinks he can pull troops out of Iraq by 2009 and he's dreaming. I don't like the war, or whatever you want to call it at this stage, but up and leaving is not the right thing to do.

If the dems or any candidate would say something along the lines of "I am going to work with the international community and repair our relationships. I am going to request assistance from the international community in stabalizing Iraq and it's borders." I could get behind something like that. It's not about "winning" anymore. It's about making shit right and then getting the fuck out. Just my hope I guess.

I know I'm dreaming....

Hollyweird

the wolf wrote:

see, i dont get this view. i dont think we could come close to having a republican victory with either Obama or Clinton running against McCain.

IMHO the dems will win the white house regardless of who wins the nominnation.

PEOPLE NEED TO USE THEIR OWN BRAINS AND NOT RELY ON THOSE OF POLLSTERS. OBAMA WAS SUPPOSED TO WIN IT OUT TONIGHT. HE DIDN'T. SO THE POLLS SAY MCCAIN WINS? CMON. DO WE REMEMBER FLORIDA IN 2000? DO YOU REMEMBER NEW HAMPSHIRE THIS YEAR? POLLS ARE THE REASON PEOPLE DON'T VOTE. OF COURSE CLINTON CAN WIN. SHE'S LIKE KOBE IN A DRESS. NEVER SAY DIE.

Hollyweird

the wolf wrote:

see, i dont get this view. i dont think we could come close to having a republican victory with either Obama or Clinton running against McCain.

IMHO the dems will win the white house regardless of who wins the nominnation.

PEOPLE NEED TO USE THEIR OWN BRAINS AND NOT RELY ON THOSE OF POLLSTERS. OBAMA WAS SUPPOSED TO WIN IT OUT TONIGHT. HE DIDN'T. SO THE POLLS SAY MCCAIN WINS? CMON. DO WE REMEMBER FLORIDA IN 2000? DO YOU REMEMBER NEW HAMPSHIRE THIS YEAR? POLLS ARE THE REASON PEOPLE DON'T VOTE. OF COURSE CLINTON CAN WIN. SHE'S LIKE KOBE IN A DRESS. NEVER SAY DIE.

Im still here

Hollyweird wrote:

He can't win on delegates now. Gotta love that spunky Clinton. Fighter. Bring your gloves to the convention and line up those super delegates....

sometimes the smarter of the two will just naturally show up the other one

sorry Obama, Clinton's got your number buddy

blackredyellow

Hollyweird wrote:

PEOPLE NEED TO USE THEIR OWN BRAINS AND NOT RELY ON THOSE OF POLLSTERS. OBAMA WAS SUPPOSED TO WIN IT OUT TONIGHT. HE DIDN'T. SO THE POLLS SAY MCCAIN WINS? CMON. DO WE REMEMBER FLORIDA IN 2000? DO YOU REMEMBER NEW HAMPSHIRE THIS YEAR? POLLS ARE THE REASON PEOPLE DON'T VOTE. OF COURSE CLINTON CAN WIN. SHE'S LIKE KOBE IN A DRESS. NEVER SAY DIE.

Just because you post the same ALL CAPS post twice, doesn't make it true. Since when was Obama supposed to win it out tonight? I haven't seen any poll that had him winning Ohio (which he was down 20+ points a month ago) or Rhode Island. And at best, Texas was within the margin of error.

inmytree

Hollyweird wrote:

PEOPLE NEED TO USE THEIR OWN BRAINS AND NOT RELY ON THOSE OF POLLSTERS. OBAMA WAS SUPPOSED TO WIN IT OUT TONIGHT. HE DIDN'T. SO THE POLLS SAY MCCAIN WINS? CMON. DO WE REMEMBER FLORIDA IN 2000? DO YOU REMEMBER NEW HAMPSHIRE THIS YEAR? POLLS ARE THE REASON PEOPLE DON'T VOTE. OF COURSE CLINTON CAN WIN. SHE'S LIKE KOBE IN A DRESS. NEVER SAY DIE.

quit yelling...

mark my words...if billary gets the the nomination....McCain will be the next president....

ledvedderman

Hollyweird wrote:

He can't win on delegates now.

Uhhhhh, you sure about that? I'm pretty sure she is the one who can't win on delegates. She still needs to average 60% of the vote totals in the remaining states to catch up with him. Also, the Obama camp is sitting on 50+ super delegates who are going to be coming out for him in the next couple of weeks.

ledvedderman

Hollyweird wrote:

PEOPLE NEED TO USE THEIR OWN BRAINS AND NOT RELY ON THOSE OF POLLSTERS. OBAMA WAS SUPPOSED TO WIN IT OUT TONIGHT. HE DIDN'T. SO THE POLLS SAY MCCAIN WINS? CMON. DO WE REMEMBER FLORIDA IN 2000? DO YOU REMEMBER NEW HAMPSHIRE THIS YEAR? POLLS ARE THE REASON PEOPLE DON'T VOTE. OF COURSE CLINTON CAN WIN. SHE'S LIKE KOBE IN A DRESS. NEVER SAY DIE.

Since when was Obama the clear front runner in Texas or Ohio? Ohio is the perfect Clinton state. Lower income old guard Democrats? Those aren't the ones that have been winning states for Barack Obama.

The Clintons have very deep roots in Texas. The Mexican American vote there put her over the top, and the African Americans didn't turn out like the Obama camp was hoping.

Do you forget that two weeks ago Clinton had a 20+ point lead in these states? Say what you want about polls, but they are never THAT wrong.

McCain might just win this because the Democrats are going to be bloodied beyond recognition. If Obama is the nominee, McCain has all the material he needs to use against Obama, and it's been provided by Hillary Clinton. If she is the nominee, it will energize the Republican base to finally stick it to the Clintons.

Hollyweird

ledvedderman wrote:

Uhhhhh, you sure about that? I'm pretty sure she is the one who can't win on delegates. She still needs to average 60% of the vote totals in the remaining states to catch up with him. Also, the Obama camp is sitting on 50+ super delegates who are going to be coming out for him in the next couple of weeks.

I dont think anyone can be sure of anything at this point. But when you look at the States remaining and the number of delegates out there they could very well be almost neck and neck at the end. You also cant discount H was big Mo on her side for the moment.

Ebizzie

Hollyweird wrote:

I dont think anyone can be sure of anything at this point. But when you look at the States remaining and the number of delegates out there they could very well be almost neck and neck at the end. You also cant discount H was big Mo on her side for the moment.

You're delusional.

At least 60% in ALL remaining states. She'll lose the next 2 states so let's bump that up to 65% in the remaining states after that. And that's just to tie in pledged delegates.

She can only win by stealing the nomination via superdelegates trumping the will of the pledged state delegates AND somehow getting FL and MI BOTH counted in her favor

You've been listening to the news too much today. They're bringing you along to keep you interested. The fact is that she's pretty much STILL done.

Pacomc79

so are they going to come clean on their taxes?

basically neither one can outright win on delegates even with michigan and florida even if they win the remaining states because of the way delegates are split. It will come down to the convention and either way it's going to piss a lot of people off.

Basically it's too bad neither of the major US parties hasn't picked better canidates to support for the past 8 years.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

How exciting...I can smell the change from here...

lol...

Hollyweird

Ebizzie wrote:

You're delusional.

At least 60% in ALL remaining states. She'll lose the next 2 states so let's bump that up to 65% in the remaining states after that. And that's just to tie in pledged delegates.

She can only win by stealing the nomination via superdelegates trumping the will of the pledged state delegates AND somehow getting FL and MI BOTH counted in her favor

You've been listening to the news too much today. They're bringing you along to keep you interested. The fact is that she's pretty much STILL done.

She will lose Mississippi and I don't know about Wyoming. So she will lose ground but not necessarily momentum. She could run away with Pennsylvania, win Indiana, Kentucky, and West Virginia easily. Oregon doubtful. That makes North Carolina critical. If she can manage a win there she is close enough to make it a convention fight. You can hardly call that stealting it. The process is the process. One can argue Obama is stealing it since the will and vote of two key states are not being counted. Is that Democratic? So who is the thief here? Florida, at a minimum, should count. Dems cant afford to alienate that key state. Thats how she wins.

MasterFramer

Hollyweird wrote:

She will lose Mississippi and I don't know about Wyoming. So she will lose ground but not necessarily momentum. She could run away with Pennsylvania, win Indiana, Kentucky, and West Virginia easily. Oregon doubtful. That makes North Carolina critical. If she can manage a win there she is close enough to make it a convention fight. You can hardly call that stealting it. The process is the process. One can argue Obama is stealing it since the will and vote of two key states are not being counted. Is that Democratic? So who is the thief here? Florida, at a minimum, should count. Dems cant afford to alienate that key state. Thats how she wins.

The only way Florida and Michigan seat delegates is they re-vote... there is no way she wins states by 65%. Wake up dude... she is just going to bleed a slow slow death if she takes this past Penn.

MasterFramer

P.S. There is no way she takes N.C. from him...

http://www.pollster.com/08-NC-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

Anon

inmytree wrote:

quit yelling...

mark my words...if billary gets the the nomination....McCain will be the next president....

i agree. obama would do a lot better against mccain.

MasterFramer

Hollyweird wrote:

I don't know about Wyoming.

Wyoming is a caucus state... that means Hillary gets creamed... in the face.

Solat13

MasterFramer wrote:

Wyoming is a caucus state... that means Hillary gets creamed... in the face.

I agree Obama should keep his lead, but I think he doesn't do too well in PA. Rendell (Gov) and Nutter (Philly mayor) are big Clinton supporters. I think Hillary should take the state pretty comfortably.