If Obama wins the most delegates, and the superdelegates choose to override democracy and pick Hillary, then I will strongly consider voting for McCain. Same can be said if Florida and Michigan are suddenly counted(Obama wasn't even on the ballot in MI).
I am definitely a liberal minded person, and I actually don't mind Hillary too much, but if the Dem party goes against the populace then they will need to be taught a lesson.
McCain would be light years better than Bush anyway, but then again who wouldn't?
First, the guy has tons of negatives. But the press and the Clintons are forced to play with kid gloves with the guy. I mean look what his campaign did with a comment about LBJ? They went all racial on us. That shit wont play in the general election. If you think the Clintons are negative that aint nothing compared to the GOP. Everyone knows the Clintons dirty laundry. Its old news. Every negative we hear on Obama will be fresh fodor.
First, the guy has tons of negatives. But the press and the Clintons are forced to play with kid gloves with the guy. I mean look what his campaign did with a comment about LBJ? They went all racial on us. That shit wont play in the general election. If you think the Clintons are negative that aint nothing compared to the GOP. Everyone knows the Clintons dirty laundry. Its old news. Every negative we hear on Obama will be fresh fodor.
And you don't think the repubs will bring the negatives against her? She is one of the most polarizing political figures of our time. Old news or not, most people have forgotten about things like Whitewater. Sure, the democratic base loves her, but this election is about independents and moderates. I guarantee you that those people will flock to McCain over Hillary.
On the other hand, Obama is a huge draw for independents and even some moderates, meaning he can compete with McCain for the swing voters.
First, the guy has tons of negatives. But the press and the Clintons are forced to play with kid gloves with the guy. I mean look what his campaign did with a comment about LBJ? They went all racial on us. That shit wont play in the general election. If you think the Clintons are negative that aint nothing compared to the GOP. Everyone knows the Clintons dirty laundry. Its old news. Every negative we hear on Obama will be fresh fodor.
And that makes it better to elect Hillary Clinton how? She's got decades of lying cheating and stealing to grab power? Nice Experience.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
The total population is a little over 12 million and its about 80% White, 11% Black, and 4% Hispanic.
About a half million of the African American population lives in Philly. But the African American mayor is a big Clinton supporter and a close ally with Rendell.
Residents call the region between Philly and Pittsburgh - Pennsyltucky as its pretty red neck out there.
Yeah, I'm originally from Pittsburgh, and I can't see Obama winning in PA. He will do well in Philly and Pittsburgh I think, but Allegheny county (around Pittsburgh) is (at least was a few years ago) the second oldest county in the country. And like you said, central PA might as well be Alabama.
First, the guy has tons of negatives. But the press and the Clintons are forced to play with kid gloves with the guy. I mean look what his campaign did with a comment about LBJ? They went all racial on us. That shit wont play in the general election. If you think the Clintons are negative that aint nothing compared to the GOP. Everyone knows the Clintons dirty laundry. Its old news. Every negative we hear on Obama will be fresh fodor.
How the hell are they forced to play with kid gloves? He's campaign goes ballistic and fights back with everything.... that's what campaigns do. Just ask John Kerry, you think that he wouldn't have fought back harder if could have done it again?
"They went all racial on us"????? are you kidding me?
The Clintons have more dirty laundry than Obama, McCain and probably half of the senate combined. It will be much easier and more effective for the GOP to go negative on her... They are chomping at the bit to go after the Clintons again.
My whole life
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First, the guy has tons of negatives. But the press and the Clintons are forced to play with kid gloves with the guy. I mean look what his campaign did with a comment about LBJ? They went all racial on us. That shit wont play in the general election. If you think the Clintons are negative that aint nothing compared to the GOP. Everyone knows the Clintons dirty laundry. Its old news. Every negative we hear on Obama will be fresh fodor.
They "went all racial" on you, or your candidate made a bonehead statement and pissed off the Democratic base. I never knew that throwing stories out about a candidates past drug use, saying that even the Republican candidate is more qualified to be President, floating pictures of Obama in a African robe, downplaying his victory in South Carolina because, "Jesse Jackson won here in '88", trying to add more to a relationship with Tony Rezko that was never there, and "change you can Xerox", was playing with the gloves on.
If Hillary Clinton wants to talk about shady people that a candidate has in their background or land deals, I'd love to see that conversation happen. I think it will be her biggest regret.
Yeah, I'm originally from Pittsburgh, and I can't see Obama winning in PA. He will do well in Philly and Pittsburgh I think, but Allegheny county (around Pittsburgh) is (at least was a few years ago) the second oldest county in the country. And like you said, central PA might as well be Alabama.
How the hell are they forced to play with kid gloves? He's campaign goes ballistic and fights back with everything.... that's what campaigns do. Just ask John Kerry, you think that he wouldn't have fought back harder if could have done it again?
"They went all racial on us"????? are you kidding me?
The Clintons have more dirty laundry than Obama, McCain and probably half of the senate combined. It will be much easier and more effective for the GOP to go negative on her... They are chomping at the bit to go after the Clintons again.
why do you say might as well be Alabama? Did not Alabama and Georgia both vote for Obama?
Inbred german farmers and maybe one token countywide black person is pretty far from the fairly diverse southland. Just bustin your chops... All these southern stereotypes are a little dated... Rural pennsylvania is in a class by itself. Beautiful... but not diverse. I couldn't tell you how they would vote at all.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
why do you say might as well be Alabama? Did not Alabama and Georgia both vote for Obama?
Inbred german farmers and maybe one token countywide black person is pretty far from the fairly diverse southland. Just bustin your chops... All these southern stereotypes are a little dated... Rural pennsylvania is in a class by itself. Beautiful... but not diverse. I couldn't tell you how they would vote at all.
Yeah, but the main difference in the racial breakdown.
I live in upstate NY now, so I drive through central PA a lot going home to the Pittsburgh area... it's like the land that time forgot out there lol. I don't know how WV is polling for Obama, but I would say central PA will follow suit with that.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Yeah, but the main difference in the racial breakdown.
I live in upstate NY now, so I drive through central PA a lot going home to the Pittsburgh area... it's like the land that time forgot out there lol. I don't know how WV is polling for Obama, but I would say central PA will follow suit with that.
no worries, I was just kidding really.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
First, the guy has tons of negatives. But the press and the Clintons are forced to play with kid gloves with the guy. I mean look what his campaign did with a comment about LBJ? They went all racial on us. That shit wont play in the general election. If you think the Clintons are negative that aint nothing compared to the GOP. Everyone knows the Clintons dirty laundry. Its old news. Every negative we hear on Obama will be fresh fodor.
help me out...can you list some of Billary's positives...
help me out...can you list some of Billary's positives...
'cause I just don't see any...
convince me, please...
That's where I'm at... I accept the fact that Obama has some shortcomings, but I can't see one positive thing that Hilary brings to the table.
And I don't hate her, I actually voted for her re-election as our senator in NY, but as a president, I can't do it.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
That's where I'm at... I accept the fact that Obama has some shortcomings, but I can't see one positive thing that Hilary brings to the table.
And I don't hate her, I actually voted for her re-election as our senator in NY, but as a president, I can't do it.
for me, I simply see her as a divisive figure....in fact, I can see her being disliked as much as bushy is disliked...
perhaps Bloomberg may rethink running if she does get the nod...Mcbush is not a favorite of the right, and billary can divide the left...so who knows...
And you don't think the repubs will bring the negatives against her? She is one of the most polarizing political figures of our time. Old news or not, most people have forgotten about things like Whitewater. Sure, the democratic base loves her, but this election is about independents and moderates. I guarantee you that those people will flock to McCain over Hillary.
On the other hand, Obama is a huge draw for independents and even some moderates, meaning he can compete with McCain for the swing voters.
I agree with your first three sentences but there is just no basis for your opinion on what moderates and independents will do. The reality is that Obama and Clinton will both lose if the election is National Security. Further, how do you know how Obama will do against the GOP. They dont play. If Obama cant handle an occassional picture of him in a turban he sure as shit wont be able to handle the heat when his ties to Louis Farrakhan come out or to Jeremiah Wright. Read up my friend. Obama is toast against McCain. At least the Clintons know how to deal with Republican machine and their dirt is old news. Obama's is all fresh meat.
he sure as shit wont be able to handle the heat when his ties to Louis Farrakhan come out or to Jeremiah Wright. Read up my friend.
ummmm....both of those items are already out. Hell, he was even asked in a debate about both subjects.
"Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
Interesting stuff. So it's hers to loose then. Why is she only 4 up will all those positives? Obama will now go negative. Her negatives far outweigh his.
The first poll in PA came out and with the Tex and Ohio bounce, Clinton is up 15 in PA. I think Obama will eat into it a bit, but she wins PA comfortably. It's probably the perfect state for her to have coming up next in terms of big states.
I agree with your first three sentences but there is just no basis for your opinion on what moderates and independents will do. The reality is that Obama and Clinton will both lose if the election is National Security. Further, how do you know how Obama will do against the GOP. They dont play. If Obama cant handle an occassional picture of him in a turban he sure as shit wont be able to handle the heat when his ties to Louis Farrakhan come out or to Jeremiah Wright. Read up my friend. Obama is toast against McCain. At least the Clintons know how to deal with Republican machine and their dirt is old news. Obama's is all fresh meat.
You support a candidate who spent two weeks whining about being treated unfairly by the press, and you claim that Barack can't handle an occasional picture of him in a turban?
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
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I am definitely a liberal minded person, and I actually don't mind Hillary too much, but if the Dem party goes against the populace then they will need to be taught a lesson.
McCain would be light years better than Bush anyway, but then again who wouldn't?
And you don't think the repubs will bring the negatives against her? She is one of the most polarizing political figures of our time. Old news or not, most people have forgotten about things like Whitewater. Sure, the democratic base loves her, but this election is about independents and moderates. I guarantee you that those people will flock to McCain over Hillary.
On the other hand, Obama is a huge draw for independents and even some moderates, meaning he can compete with McCain for the swing voters.
And that makes it better to elect Hillary Clinton how? She's got decades of lying cheating and stealing to grab power? Nice Experience.
Yeah, I'm originally from Pittsburgh, and I can't see Obama winning in PA. He will do well in Philly and Pittsburgh I think, but Allegheny county (around Pittsburgh) is (at least was a few years ago) the second oldest county in the country. And like you said, central PA might as well be Alabama.
How the hell are they forced to play with kid gloves? He's campaign goes ballistic and fights back with everything.... that's what campaigns do. Just ask John Kerry, you think that he wouldn't have fought back harder if could have done it again?
"They went all racial on us"????? are you kidding me?
The Clintons have more dirty laundry than Obama, McCain and probably half of the senate combined. It will be much easier and more effective for the GOP to go negative on her... They are chomping at the bit to go after the Clintons again.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
They "went all racial" on you, or your candidate made a bonehead statement and pissed off the Democratic base. I never knew that throwing stories out about a candidates past drug use, saying that even the Republican candidate is more qualified to be President, floating pictures of Obama in a African robe, downplaying his victory in South Carolina because, "Jesse Jackson won here in '88", trying to add more to a relationship with Tony Rezko that was never there, and "change you can Xerox", was playing with the gloves on.
If Hillary Clinton wants to talk about shady people that a candidate has in their background or land deals, I'd love to see that conversation happen. I think it will be her biggest regret.
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why do you say might as well be Alabama? Did not Alabama and Georgia both vote for Obama?
Inbred german farmers and maybe one token countywide black person is pretty far from the fairly diverse southland. Just bustin your chops... All these southern stereotypes are a little dated... Rural pennsylvania is in a class by itself. Beautiful... but not diverse. I couldn't tell you how they would vote at all.
Yeah, but the main difference in the racial breakdown.
I live in upstate NY now, so I drive through central PA a lot going home to the Pittsburgh area... it's like the land that time forgot out there lol. I don't know how WV is polling for Obama, but I would say central PA will follow suit with that.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
no worries, I was just kidding really.
help me out...can you list some of Billary's positives...
'cause I just don't see any...
convince me, please...
That's where I'm at... I accept the fact that Obama has some shortcomings, but I can't see one positive thing that Hilary brings to the table.
And I don't hate her, I actually voted for her re-election as our senator in NY, but as a president, I can't do it.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
for me, I simply see her as a divisive figure....in fact, I can see her being disliked as much as bushy is disliked...
perhaps Bloomberg may rethink running if she does get the nod...Mcbush is not a favorite of the right, and billary can divide the left...so who knows...
I agree with your first three sentences but there is just no basis for your opinion on what moderates and independents will do. The reality is that Obama and Clinton will both lose if the election is National Security. Further, how do you know how Obama will do against the GOP. They dont play. If Obama cant handle an occassional picture of him in a turban he sure as shit wont be able to handle the heat when his ties to Louis Farrakhan come out or to Jeremiah Wright. Read up my friend. Obama is toast against McCain. At least the Clintons know how to deal with Republican machine and their dirt is old news. Obama's is all fresh meat.
ummmm....both of those items are already out. Hell, he was even asked in a debate about both subjects.
The first poll in PA came out and with the Tex and Ohio bounce, Clinton is up 15 in PA. I think Obama will eat into it a bit, but she wins PA comfortably. It's probably the perfect state for her to have coming up next in terms of big states.
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You support a candidate who spent two weeks whining about being treated unfairly by the press, and you claim that Barack can't handle an occasional picture of him in a turban?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln