No..its time to admit it was a mistake and learn from it. Instead of defending it and trying to explain it away as the US doing the Iraqis a favor.
what will admitting to it do? wont bring back the dead and wont make people like you any happier.
learn from it? absolutely. you dont think we are? the troops and american tax payer dollars are doing Iraqis a favor. we've been there for years rebuilding shit and training their military. history still needs to write the rest. we wont know until maybe a generation down the road if Iraq is better off. you seem to think Saddam was the greatest thing to happen to Iraq.
That is so fucked up!! It's like you're saying "it is what it is, get over it." Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who have died. Are you in the 23% who approve of Bush's performance? Truly, the dude should be put on trial for war crimes (as should have Saddam). :mad:
True, I guess. Iraq may or may not have a free country. It won't be because we tell them to.
And yeah, I would like to see Bush on trial. It won't bring anyone back but at least he won't be chilling in Crawford and getting hefty appearance fees from "his people." :mad:
personally, I think we should just get over 9/11... I mean, it is what it is, why are we even in Afghanistan looking for Osama now? the best thing we can do now is try to give the Americans a more free country.
what will admitting to it do? wont bring back the dead and wont make people like you any happier.
learn from it? absolutely. you dont think we are? the troops and american tax payer dollars are doing Iraqis a favor. we've been there for years rebuilding shit and training their military. history still needs to write the rest. we wont know until maybe a generation down the road if Iraq is better off. you seem to think Saddam was the greatest thing to happen to Iraq.
on the contrary, you seem to act as if this U.S. invasion was the greatest thing to happen to them.
and you always bring up the whole 'rebuilding' argument.. you do know that not even a year ago, people were still being slaughtered by blackwater troops? and you do knwo that no one was prosecuted for it?
and you always bring up the whole 'rebuilding' argument.. you do know that not even a year ago, people were still being slaughtered by blackwater troops? and you do knwo that no one was prosecuted for it?
Yeah, doesn't seem right that whenever Americans do something atrocious in Iraq they are "dealt with" by other Americans...
So until America understands and admits to it's disease, it will never be able to get any better.
Most of us understand that, certain "leaders" don't :mad:
If I had known then what I know now...
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And the story gets murkier: immediately after the battle the United States Defense Intelligence Agency investigated and produced a classified report, which it circulated within the intelligence community on a need-to-know basis. That study asserted that it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds, not Iraqi gas.
The agency did find that each side used gas against the other in the battle around Halabja. The condition of the dead Kurds' bodies, however, indicated they had been killed with a blood agent -- that is, a cyanide-based gas -- which Iran was known to use. The Iraqis, who are thought to have used mustard gas in the battle, are not known to have possessed blood agents at the time.
These facts have long been in the public domain but, extraordinarily, as often as the Halabja affair is cited, they are rarely mentioned. A much-discussed article in The New Yorker last March did not make reference to the Defense Intelligence Agency report or consider that Iranian gas might have killed the Kurds. On the rare occasions the report is brought up, there is usually speculation, with no proof, that it was skewed out of American political favoritism toward Iraq in its war against Iran.
cool thanks for posting. this definitely isnt proof of anything but raising my interesting questions.
Among several documents revealed during the trial, one was a 1987 memorandum from Iraq's military intelligence seeking permission from the president's office to use mustard gas and the nerve agent sarin against Kurds. A second document said in reply that Saddam had ordered military intelligence to study the possibility of a "sudden strike" using such weapons against Iranian and Kurdish forces. An internal memo written by military intelligence confirmed it had received approval from the president's office for a strike using "special ammunition" and emphasized that no strike would be launched without first informing the president.
pardon the source, but its a good starting point to investigate yourself since you seem very convinced that saddam had nothing to do with it.
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what will admitting to it do? wont bring back the dead and wont make people like you any happier.
learn from it? absolutely. you dont think we are? the troops and american tax payer dollars are doing Iraqis a favor. we've been there for years rebuilding shit and training their military. history still needs to write the rest. we wont know until maybe a generation down the road if Iraq is better off. you seem to think Saddam was the greatest thing to happen to Iraq.
and you always bring up the whole 'rebuilding' argument.. you do know that not even a year ago, people were still being slaughtered by blackwater troops? and you do knwo that no one was prosecuted for it?
Think of America as an abusive alcoholic..and just like an alcoholic, the first step to being clean is to admit they have a problem.
So until America understands and admits to it's disease, it will never be able to get any better.
Yeah, doesn't seem right that whenever Americans do something atrocious in Iraq they are "dealt with" by other Americans...
Most of us understand that, certain "leaders" don't :mad:
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cool thanks for posting. this definitely isnt proof of anything but raising my interesting questions.
nah, you just like to make your own assumptions. something you should probably stop doing.
yes. its something we are doing.
whats this have to do with rebuilding? its horrible and I wish they were tried by an Iraqi court.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack
Among several documents revealed during the trial, one was a 1987 memorandum from Iraq's military intelligence seeking permission from the president's office to use mustard gas and the nerve agent sarin against Kurds. A second document said in reply that Saddam had ordered military intelligence to study the possibility of a "sudden strike" using such weapons against Iranian and Kurdish forces. An internal memo written by military intelligence confirmed it had received approval from the president's office for a strike using "special ammunition" and emphasized that no strike would be launched without first informing the president.
pardon the source, but its a good starting point to investigate yourself since you seem very convinced that saddam had nothing to do with it.
US soldiers are never ordered to kill innocent civilians. especially on the scale you are talking about
http://www.amazon.com/Collateral-Damage-Americas-Against-Civilians/dp/1568583737/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219688269&sr=8-1
yes and u left out schools, roads, power plants, etc etc
from blackwater? havent heard anthing in awhile. u tell me
I dont doubt their are rogue soldiers but to claim the US does deliberately kills civilians on a mass scale is just wrong.
again, just read the book then get back to me.
ok. only if you promise to read this one
http://www.amazon.com/Moment-Truth-Iraq-Greatest-Generation/dp/0980076323/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219691833&sr=8-1
deal?