Where was "god's will" yesterday?

norm

eyedclaar wrote:

All I'm hearing is Santa this and Easter Bunny that and I can't figure out why we're discussing something as ridiculous as God's will.

god's will?


ohh i hope he leaves me hawaii! :D

catefrances

angelica wrote:

Right...so you don't know what it is to put your faith in God's will...Whether one is arrogant, or wants one's 'side' to win, or whether one thinks God is naturally on one's side....putting your faith in God's will supercedes all of that and is a category all it's own.

oh but i do know angelica. all one needs to do is look at the psychology of people. one does not have to believe in the existence of a God to determine peoples motives in regards to their enacting some divine advantage. or at least trying to. and if you want to get down to it, it can be argued that it was for this exact reason WHY palins side didnt win. her arrogance of thinking God would choose sides.
it is clear to me that when palin spoke of Gods will being done she meant in regards to her side winning this election. this is not a slight against God but against an arrogant person.

angelica

catefrances wrote:

oh but i do know angelica. all one needs to do is look at the psychology of people. one does not have to believe in the existence of a God to determine peoples motives in regards to their enacting some divine advantage. or at least trying to. and if you want to get down to it, it can be argued that it was for this exact reason WHY palins side didnt win. her arrogance of thinking God would choose sides.
it is clear to me that when palin spoke of Gods will being done she meant in regards to her side winning this election. this is not a slight against God but against an arrogant person.

one can argue anything they like. You are obviously reading into Sarah's intent. As am I.

A separate issue, though, is what it means to put one's faith in God's will. It's beyond ego. It's literally letting go of the ego needs and trusting a Higher Power. The psychology is clear.

eyedclaar

angelica wrote:

one can argue anything they like. You are obviously reading into Sarah's intent. As am I.

A separate issue, though, is what it means to put one's faith in God's will. It's beyond ego. It's literally letting go of the ego needs and trusting a Higher Power. The psychology is clear.

I agree, the pathology is clear.

catefrances

angelica wrote:

one can argue anything they like. You are obviously reading into Sarah's intent. As am I.

A separate issue, though, is what it means to put one's faith in God's will. It's beyond ego. It's literally letting go of the ego needs and trusting a Higher Power. The psychology is clear.

of course i am reading into palins intent. thats all there is in this.



what about letting go of ego enough to realise that God doesnt even give a shit. that is assuming he even exists, which i do not believe he does.

ajedigecko

eyedclaar wrote:

I agree, the pathology is clear.

once we get into the canyons.....i will introduce you to God's will, in the form of slickrock upside the head.
no worries though....i am trained in the arts of first aid.

eyedclaar

ajedigecko wrote:

once we get into the canyons.....i will introduce you to God's will, in the form of slickrock upside the head.
no worries though....i am trained in the arts of first aid.

Good, because you'll need it. haha. How ya' been?

angelica

catefrances wrote:

of course i am reading into palins intent. thats all there is in this.

To you, maybe.

What I'm seeing is what is acknowledged in science or a court of law: empirics. Facts. The face value of what she said.

When someone can show her saying that God wanted her to win, in this instance, then we'll have the empirical facts proving your case.

ajedigecko

eyedclaar wrote:

Good, because you'll need it. haha. How ya' been?

all is good on the kansas front....we are finalizing our group for the durango to moab ride. we still have 3 spaces available and we will be leaving the weekend after the 4th of July. check your calander and let me know. if you can not make the ride maybe we could meet up in moab and then into the canyons.

catefrances

angelica wrote:

To you, maybe.

What I'm seeing is what is acknowledged in science or a court of law: empirics. Facts. The face value of what she said.

When someone can show her saying that God wanted her to win, in this instance, then we'll have the empirical facts proving your case.

there can be no empirical fact when God is involved. his existence relies purely on faith, for which there is no empirical evidence. he is unobservable.

angelica

eyedclaar wrote:

angelica wrote:

It's literally letting go of the ego needs and trusting a Higher Power. The psychology is clear.

I agree, the pathology is clear.

In psychology, it's acknowledged that the vast majority believe the ego to be who they are. And yet from a psychological standpoint, the ego is considered to be the tip of the iceberg of who we really are. So, to surrender to the "energy" of who we really are beyond the ego, is actually considered far from pathological--it's considered psychologically healthy.

Clinging to the ego, and one's idea of who one is is actually what is considered ego-centered, fragmented, unindividuated, etc.

I'm not saying Sarah Palin is close to being individuated or healthy. What I am saying is surrendering to the power beyond the ego is very healthy, and sought after and achieved by very few, due to ego-centrism.

angelica

catefrances wrote:

there can be no empirical fact when God is involved. his existence relies purely on faith, for which there is no empirical evidence. he is unobservable.

When you show me Sarah's words saying God was on her side in this instance, then I'll discuss it. Until then it's not been shown that she said that in this case.

catefrances

angelica wrote:

When you show me Sarah's words saying God was on her side in this instance, then I'll discuss it. Until then it's not been shown that she said that in this case.

i swear one day im gonna kill that man


what is my intent in this statement?

angelica

I'm personally not interested in a rousing game of "my-way-of-conceptualizing-the-deeper-meanings-of-reality-is-more-right-than-yours' or "my-interpretation-of-what-was-said-is-right-yours-is-wrong".

Therefore, if anyone else has a quote regarding this situation, where Sarah Palin actually says God wants her and her side to win, I will concede this point.

catefrances

angelica wrote:

I'm personally not interested in a rousing game of "my-way-of-conceptualizing-the-deeper-meanings-of-reality-is-more-right-than-yours' or "my-interpretation-of-what-was-said-is-right-yours-is-wrong".

Therefore, if anyone else has a quote regarding this situation, where Sarah Palin actually says God wants her and her side to win, I will concede this point.

the thing is angelica you wont even acknowledge the possibility that her intent was for God to be on her side? you just dismiss it outright.

sure she could have meant Gods will in regards to the greater good of the country. i am in no doubt as to her intent. for me with all i know of this woman and the politricks in play, it is clear she was hoping/ praying/wishing for a republican win. and that it be delivered by divine intervention.

QuestionAuthority

catefrances wrote:

the thing is angelica you wont even acknowledge the possibility that her intent was for God to be on her side? you just dismiss it outright.

sure she could have meant Gods will in regards to the greater good of the country. i am in no doubt as to her intent. for me with all i know of this woman and the politricks in play, it is clear she was hoping/ praying/wishing for a republican win. and that it be delivered by divine intervention.

Quoted for truth... you have made outstanding points, but angelica really just likes to dance around every topic.. I think it is clear we all, with a rational mind know EXACTLY what Sarah Palin and Dobson were refering to when they discussed god's will for America... because to them god is a republican that views them, aka the Christian right republican party, or GOP.. God's Official Party as the superior beings.

BetterThanYou

just a tad over 5 pages of garbage. this thread is a waste of time. who the fuck cares what she said and how she meant it?

j3trowkill

I spoke to my "god" today and he was very happy about the outcome last tuesday!

angelica

QuestionAuthority wrote:

Quoted for truth... you have made outstanding points, but angelica really just likes to dance around every topic.. I think it is clear we all, with a rational mind know EXACTLY what Sarah Palin and Dobson were refering to when they discussed god's will for America... because to them god is a republican that views them, aka the Christian right republican party, or GOP.. God's Official Party as the superior beings.

and we all know that if you have enough people on your side, it proves you're right............;)

Commy

angelica wrote:

and we all know that if you have enough people on your side, it proves you're right............;)

right, because majority rules works so well in mental institutions.