In all seriousness on the God's will thing ... if you are a Christian, you believe God's will is ALWAYS realized ... whether it seems positive or negative to you.
Obama getting elected is God's will. Your grandma getting cancer is God's will. A drunk driver running over your daughter is God's will.
It's not just the "good stuff."
well that's my point.
while it's not my thing, i was well brought up in a very catholic household so i am well-versed. the good AND the bad, ALL god's will. and if one looks upon god's will as 'things as they should be'...well then, even obama was not the choice for many....it being 'god's will'i would think offer some comfort there, that things will progress as they are meant to progress. for me, this is simply not my view of the world...but i am just sticking with the topic.
btw - i like how you link obama's win, grandma's cancer and a daughter's death.....all as god's will which of course it would be if that's your belief....but that it's all not the 'good stuff.'
well-played....;)
and while i can only make my own inference to palin's intent....i'm gonna go with her thinking very much the same there.
for those who truly believe in god's will..in it's purity, i would think that the outcome of the election is exactly that, and i would also think such thinkers would find comfort and solace in that. hopefully it could be a unifying force.
In all seriousness on the God's will thing ... if you are a Christian, you believe God's will is ALWAYS realized ... whether it seems positive or negative to you.
Obama getting elected is God's will. Your grandma getting cancer is God's will. A drunk driver running over your daughter is God's will.
It's not just the "good stuff."
Absolutely. 100%.
Any Christian has to be denying God's will in order to not see that what happens is God's will. 100%.
Granted, the denial happens constantly anyway, because the basis of Christianity (and my view) is the acknowledgment that as humans we are flawed. So our flaws will continue to operate until we can achieve self-mastery, like the role-model of Jesus. We can only do what we can do and learn from our flaws, and hopefully progress and evolve.
This may not be a Christian view..I don't know...but it's clear to me that my experience is also God's will...so if I have opposing beliefs to Obama, that's also just part of the way it is. There is not actual separation between humans, and the will of the Universe or All that exists, except by our perspective (individual will). And when we de-align with all of the universe...we will receive consequences for such maladaption. When we align our will to life, we will receive adaptive consequences (growth, understanding).
Edit: it is totally clear to me that it is meant to be that Obama has been elected to the Presidency. No doubt. I totally accept that fact, like I also accept that my feelings on the subject are also meant to be.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Right...so you don't know what it is to put your faith in God's will...Whether one is arrogant, or wants one's 'side' to win, or whether one thinks God is naturally on one's side....putting your faith in God's will supercedes all of that and is a category all it's own.
you quoting the above statement does not negate my argument. you still have not recognised the possibility of palins intent being for her side to win this election. you speak about if one were arrogant or whatever being superceded by putting ones faith in God. as if that is what is in debate here. we are speaking specifically of palin's intent in invoking the will the God in this instance. the point of contention is her intent, not Gods will. and not what it means to surrender oneself to that will.
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you quoting the above statement does not negate my argument. you still have not recognised the possibility of palins intent being for her side to win this election. you speak about if one were arrogant or whatever being superceded by putting ones faith in God. as if that is what is in debate here. we are speaking specifically of palin's intent in invoking the will the God in this instance. the point of contention is her intent, not Gods will. and not what it means to surrender oneself to that will.
cate! shush now! you mean you actually want to focus on the thread topic? how dare you?!
you quoting the above statement does not negate my argument. you still have not recognised the possibility of palins intent being for her side to win this election. you speak about if one were arrogant or whatever being superceded by putting ones faith in God. as if that is what is in debate here. we are speaking specifically of palin's intent in invoking the will the God in this instance. the point of contention is her intent, not Gods will. and not what it means to surrender oneself to that will.
You clearly are not comprehending what I'm saying.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I thought "god's will" was going to deliver the election to McCain and Palin.. at least that is what she so brilliantly commented last week.. kind of makes you question your faith
or..
I guess god liked Obama!
I know I am so saddened.............. I can't believe he fooled all of the voters.......
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well that's my point.
while it's not my thing, i was well brought up in a very catholic household so i am well-versed. the good AND the bad, ALL god's will. and if one looks upon god's will as 'things as they should be'...well then, even obama was not the choice for many....it being 'god's will'i would think offer some comfort there, that things will progress as they are meant to progress. for me, this is simply not my view of the world...but i am just sticking with the topic.
btw - i like how you link obama's win, grandma's cancer and a daughter's death.....all as god's will which of course it would be if that's your belief....but that it's all not the 'good stuff.'
well-played....;)
and while i can only make my own inference to palin's intent....i'm gonna go with her thinking very much the same there.
Let's just breathe...
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Any Christian has to be denying God's will in order to not see that what happens is God's will. 100%.
Granted, the denial happens constantly anyway, because the basis of Christianity (and my view) is the acknowledgment that as humans we are flawed. So our flaws will continue to operate until we can achieve self-mastery, like the role-model of Jesus. We can only do what we can do and learn from our flaws, and hopefully progress and evolve.
This may not be a Christian view..I don't know...but it's clear to me that my experience is also God's will...so if I have opposing beliefs to Obama, that's also just part of the way it is. There is not actual separation between humans, and the will of the Universe or All that exists, except by our perspective (individual will). And when we de-align with all of the universe...we will receive consequences for such maladaption. When we align our will to life, we will receive adaptive consequences (growth, understanding).
Edit: it is totally clear to me that it is meant to be that Obama has been elected to the Presidency. No doubt. I totally accept that fact, like I also accept that my feelings on the subject are also meant to be.
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you quoting the above statement does not negate my argument. you still have not recognised the possibility of palins intent being for her side to win this election. you speak about if one were arrogant or whatever being superceded by putting ones faith in God. as if that is what is in debate here. we are speaking specifically of palin's intent in invoking the will the God in this instance. the point of contention is her intent, not Gods will. and not what it means to surrender oneself to that will.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
cate! shush now! you mean you actually want to focus on the thread topic? how dare you?!
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Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I know I am so saddened.............. I can't believe he fooled all of the voters.......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
if that were true, im certain not to be the first and i certainly wont be the last. i wonder if even you comprehend what youre saying angelica.
take a good look
this could be the day
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Definitely not the first.