Something is Wrong with our Electoral Process

ndv180

ledvedderman wrote:

My friend, I think you are arguing against the dirty politics found in a loophole of the HAVA bill. The RNC has taken advantage of that like you stated.

Agreed. However, they broke laws via the "caging" of African-American voters and some will be found guilty of a felony, including possibly Karl Rove and most definitely Tim Griffin.

ledvedderman wrote:

I'm sure the DNC has as well.

I've yet to see any evidence of that. Until then, I'll reserve judgement that any group other than the RNC has engaged in exploiting the loophole and breaking voting rights laws.

ledvedderman wrote:

How would you go about provissionals? Just let someone vote even if they aren't registered in that precinct? Do you have any idea what that would lead to? There has to be a way to do provisionals and right now this is what we've got. There's loopholes in it, just like every other piece of legislation, and some groups will exploit that.

I have no problem with "provisionals" being supplied to people who aren't on the rolls. That is what the law is designed to remedy. I do have a problem with mass "challenges" resulting from "caging". Karl Rove and his gang knew this when they passed the law. They should all be in jail right now. They used the loophole to steal the 2004 election. The exit polls were accurate.

ledvedderman

ndv180 wrote:

Agreed. However, they broke laws via the "caging" of African-American voters and some will be found guilty of a felony, including possibly Karl Rove and most definitely Tim Griffin.

Very true. Pretty sad.

ndv180 wrote:

I've yet to see any evidence of that. Until then, I'll reserve judgement that any group other than the RNC has engaged in exploiting the loophole and breaking voting rights laws.

As someone that's worked on many Democratic campaigns, I can assure you that stuff like this goes on at all levels. Maybe not the degree which has you so upset.

ndv180 wrote:

I have no problem with "provisionals" being supplied to people who aren't on the rolls. That is what the law is designed to remedy. I do have a problem with mass "challenges" resulting from "caging". Karl Rove and his gang knew this when they passed the law. They should all be in jail right now. They used the loophole to steal the 2004 election. The exit polls were accurate.

As long as there are people like Karl Rove in the world, someone will always be trying to manipulate the system. When they're the ones writing the laws and signing them into effect, it's hard to combat.

Im still here

ledvedderman wrote:

ndv180 wrote:

I'm not being an apologist for this law. I'm paid by HAVA funds, my job is to get the whole state of Illinois (110 Election jurisdictions) up to code on a statewide voter registration database. I'm sorry you don't like the part about provisional ballots, but out of thirty pages of legislation for the bill I am sure there are things I would not agree with either.

An Act

To establish a program to provide funds to States to replace punch card voting systems, to establish the Election Assistance commissio to assist in the administration of Federal election laws and programs, to establish minimum election administration standards for Staes and units of local government with responsibility for the administration of Federal elections, and for other purposes.

Sounds like a real evil bill. There's much more to it than your provissional grievence.

Edit:

I have to be quite honest with you. I just re-read section 302 of HAVA, which deals with provissional ballots, and it does not mention anything about someone being challenged. If someones name does not appear on the official poll book then they are allowed to vote a provissional ballot. You might run into problems with these because some counties/states use provissionals as a way to end an argument at a polling place. It allows for it to be decided later with the county official making the call---who knows the laws better than a 80 year old lady making $100 a day to be a poll worker.

What we do in Illinois is give you a receipt number if you have to vote provissional. You can then log onto our website, enter your number, and you can see if your vote counted or not. It seems to work pretty well.

so the truth comes out, you are paid to make us believe that nothing is wrong with the process

I think I've heard enough from you

You are part of the problem

Commy

ledvedderman wrote:

You don't see Putin taking the country on a communist route?

The man has been eliminating the powers of their democracy pretty hardcore, especially in the last couple of years.

Think russia is closer to nazism with the strong nationalist current.

ledvedderman

Im still here wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

so the truth comes out, you are paid to make us believe that nothing is wrong with the process

I think I've heard enough from you

You are part of the problem

Nimrods who think there is some mass conspiracy are the problem. I've stated numerous times in this very thread that there are loopholes and problems in the system.

Now I'm getting paid to to cover this all up? Jesus...your crazy knows no limits.

Here is a tip, NOT EVERYTHING IS A FUCKING CONSPIRACY

Im still here

ledvedderman wrote:

Nimrods who think there is some mass conspiracy are the problem. I've stated numerous times in this very thread that there are loopholes and problems in the system.

Now I'm getting paid to to cover this all up? Jesus...your crazy knows no limits.

Here is a tip, NOT EVERYTHING IS A FUCKING CONSPIRACY

whatever you say.........

at least you get paid for it, right?