Something is Wrong with our Electoral Process

Im still here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWKxwVZmomc

It's odd how in this election cycle the Establishment has made alot of "errors".

I have lost faith in our system of Government, completely......

(I'm sure his vote was thrown away)

ledvedderman

1) Many counties and states are in the process to comply with the Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA). Errors like this do happen.

2) That guy wasn't screwed on purpose. It does suck for the guy, but the process isn't perfect. It's come a long since 2000, but there's still room to go. I believe that by the 2010 elections everyone is to be up to code.

3) Affadavit ballots DO get counted. There's nothing wrong with that.

Im still here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzdcDroNH2E

Why is Russia TV covering this story but not the Mainstream Media in the U.S.?

MasterFramer

Im still here wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzdcDroNH2E

Why is Russia TV covering this story but not the Mainstream Media in the U.S.?

You really think Russian TV is a credible source of information?

Im still here

MasterFramer wrote:

You really think Russian TV is a credible source of information?

I'd say just as credible as our state run media.....

6 of one, 1/2 dozen of another, what's the difference?????

ledvedderman

Im still here wrote:

I'd say just as credible as our state run media.....

6 of one, 1/2 dozen of another, what's the difference?????

I guess by "state run media" you mean the media controlled by the party that runs the Executive Branch? That's how state media works. So I guess you mean Fox News.

Also. You don't think Putin (who controls the media there) wouldn't like to make the US elections process look foolish as he moves his country closer and closer to communism?

polaris

ledvedderman wrote:

I guess by "state run media" you mean the media controlled by the party that runs the Executive Branch? That's how state media works. So I guess you mean Fox News.

Also. You don't think Putin (who controls the media there) wouldn't like to make the US elections process look foolish as he moves his country closer and closer to communism?

russia = communism!??? ...

ledvedderman

polaris wrote:

russia = communism!??? ...

You don't see Putin taking the country on a communist route?

The man has been eliminating the powers of their democracy pretty hardcore, especially in the last couple of years.

Im still here

ledvedderman wrote:

I guess by "state run media" you mean the media controlled by the party that runs the Executive Branch? That's how state media works. So I guess you mean Fox News.

Also. You don't think Putin (who controls the media there) wouldn't like to make the US elections process look foolish as he moves his country closer and closer to communism?

fact is: our electoral process is a sham

wake up.........

ledvedderman

Im still here wrote:

fact is: our electoral process is a sham

wake up.........

Your fact is...opinion

I see first hand everyday how much care and testing goes into making the election process fair. It's a very hard task. People don't want old paper ballots because they take so long, but they don't want these optical scan machines either because in the wrong hands they are easy to manipulate.

Im still here

ledvedderman wrote:

Your fact is...opinion

I see first hand everyday how much care and testing goes into making the election process fair. It's a very hard task. People don't want old paper ballots because they take so long, but they don't want these optical scan machines either because in the wrong hands they are easy to manipulate.

I'm tired of arguing with you

everything is fine in Kansas, Toto

click your heals three times, ok?

lmfao

odie

listen... I am in Kansas and I am clicking my heals but guess what....I am not home yet in fucking Seattle where I am from...in Eddie's arms is where I want to be...lol

Im still here

odie wrote:

listen... I am in Kansas and I am clicking my heals but guess what....I am not home yet in fucking Seattle where I am from...in Eddie's arms is where I want to be...lol

hahahahahaha

ledvedderman

Im still here wrote:

I'm tired of arguing with you

everything is fine in Kansas, Toto

click your heals three times, ok?

lmfao

You have no idea how much testing goes into these machines? One of our divisions here (Illinois State Board of Elections) is gone for months on end leading up to an election to run thousands of test ballots through the machines in every county and making sure it works like it should.

odie

ledvedderman wrote:

You have no idea how much testing goes into these machines? One of our divisions here (Illinois State Board of Elections) is gone for months on end leading up to an election to run thousands of test ballots through the machines in every county and making sure it works like it should.

Is that why Ron Paul got fucked over?????

ledvedderman

odie wrote:

Is that why Ron fucked over?????

No, he's fucked because he's a horrible candidate that pisses off well over half of the party he is running for.

odie

ledvedderman wrote:

No, he's fucked because he's a horrible candidate that pisses off well over half of the party he is running for.

Isn't that american way???? Tell me isn't that the reason you follow "I'm Still Here" around and try to piss him off????

ledvedderman

odie wrote:

Isn't that american way???? Tell me isn't that the reason you follow "I'm Still Here" around and try to piss him off????

There's no following, we post in the same threads because I'm defending my candidate. I think you'll notice that I only post in the same thread as him when he makes bullshit claims like "Barack Hussein Obama" or "Obama into Intimidation".

If I were to make a "Ron Paul is a racist" thread, I would expect him to step in and defend his candidate.

There's no following.

Im still here

ledvedderman wrote:

There's no following, we post in the same threads because I'm defending my candidate. I think you'll notice that I only post in the same thread as him when he makes bullshit claims like "Barack Hussein Obama" or "Obama into Intimidation".

If I were to make a "Ron Paul is a racist" thread, I would expect him to step in and defend his candidate.

There's no following.

at least Ron Paul isn't an Islamic Fascists

odie

ledvedderman wrote:

There's no following, we post in the same threads because I'm defending my candidate. I think you'll notice that I only post in the same thread as him when he makes bullshit claims like "Barack Hussein Obama" or "Obama into Intimidation".

If I were to make a "Ron Paul is a racist" thread, I would expect him to step in and defend his candidate.

There's no following.

Okay I understand that Ron Paul can't control who endorses him as well as Obama can't controll what his parents gave him as a middle name....But that doesn't mean that Ron Paul is a racist infact he isn't rascist at all

blackredyellow

Im still here wrote:

at least Ron Paul isn't an Islamic Fascists

And neither is any other presidential candidate, so what is your point?

Im still here

blackredyellow wrote:

And neither is any other presidential candidate, so what is your point?

Barack HUSSEIN Obama

blackredyellow

Im still here wrote:

Barack HUSSEIN Obama

I think that you have a serious comprehension problem... someone's middle name has no correlation to either their religion, political views, or really anything else.

Ron Ernest Paul's middle name is very close to Che Guevara's first name... does that make him a communist or a murderer?

ledvedderman

If you really believe that, than you're as big of a moron as you sound.

blackredyellow

ledvedderman wrote:

If you really believe that, than you're as big of a moron as you sound.

And what is funny, is that he thinks having the middle name of Hussein makes him an "Islamic fascist", but in reality, Saddam Hussein wasn't even an Islamic fascist.

These kinds of debates humor me, but at the same time scare me a little bit, because it means that there truly are people out there who believe this kind of crap and those bogus e-mail forwards that are going around.

ledvedderman

blackredyellow wrote:

And what is funny, is that he thinks having the middle name of Hussein makes him an "Islamic fascist", but in reality, Saddam Hussein wasn't even an Islamic fascist.

These kinds of debates humor me, but at the same time scare me a little bit, because it means that there truly are people out there who believe this kind of crap and those bogus e-mail forwards that are going around.

What's even worse is when it is someone in your family. I had to e-mail my aunt yesterday to call her out on being a moron for believing this shit. She doesn't think anyone with a Muslim background would be the right thing in the White House now.

People are fucking crazy.

Hinny

ledvedderman wrote:

You don't see Putin taking the country on a communist route?

The man has been eliminating the powers of their democracy pretty hardcore, especially in the last couple of years.

Authoritarianism = communism?

chipboy

Our election process is fine as long it is a landslide. Not so good if it's close. It's like a boxing match. Better knock the guy/girl out and not put it in the hands of the judges.

ledvedderman

Hinny wrote:

Authoritarianism = communism?

I would think he's gone a little past authoritarianism

ndv180

ledvedderman wrote:

1) Many counties and states are in the process to comply with the Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA). Errors like this do happen.

quote]

The HAVA law came about as a result of the false felon purge list that Kathryn Harris' office put together with the aid of ChoicePoint (of Georgia) for the 2000 presidential election in FLA. The list was roughly 95% innacurate and resulted in tens of thousands of legal voters being denied a ballot because they were erroneously listed as felons. The fact that the significant majority of those denied ballots were African-American and Afican-American voters were voting against George W Bush at a 9 to 1 rate would lead anyone with half a brain to conclude that it was intentional. The story was exposed by Greg Palast, an american working for the BBC and was unreported by the U.S. press at the time (Dec 2000).

The congressional black caucus, after becoming aware of this demanded a remedy so that such a thing couldn't happen again. In 2002, George W Bush signed the HAVA law. Within the law it states that if you aren't on the voter rolls when you go to vote, you shall receive a "provisional" ballot. In addition, if your are "challenged", you also receive a "provisional" ballot. Although the HAVA law says you get a provisional ballot, it makes no mention that your ballot has to be added to the count.

With these rules in place, Karl Rove and his crew proceded to complete pervert the process. In 2004, there was a mass "challenge" of voters nationwide by republican operatives, but particularly in swing states and particularly amongst African-Americans. In all there were over 3 million chalenges resulting in "provisional" ballots. Of these "provisional" ballots, over 1 million were disqualified and usually on the flimsiest of technicalities. In the event that these "provisional" ballots were being examined by a Secretary of State that was a Bush supporter, they usually would get denied and not counted.

The lists of voters to challenge were generated by something called "caging" lists. In most cases these lists were in violation of election and voting rights laws and a felony. Rove and his crew were exchanging all of their email via the RNC HQ computers to avoid detection (everything on the White House computers is saved). When the various committees supoenaed the emails, they were told that they had been "accidentally" deleted.

Not all of the emails disappeared. 500 or so were misaddressed and ended up in the possession of the worlds greatest investigative journalist. He wrote about this in his 2006 book and also detailed a number of other methods used to uncount votes and steal the election. However, since the Democrats regained control of the House and John Conyers became chairman of the House Judiciary committee, the evidence has been turned over to them. When it was announced that the committee had the evidence, interim US attorney Tim Griffin resigned. To find out why, go to the thread I started and check out some of the links to the various stories and videos.

Here's the thread

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=271695

ledvedderman

ndv180 wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

1) Many counties and states are in the process to comply with the Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA). Errors like this do happen.

quote]

The HAVA law came about as a result of the false felon purge list that Kathryn Harris' office put together with the aid of ChoicePoint (of Georgia) for the 2000 presidential election in FLA. The list was roughly 95% innacurate and resulted in tens of thousands of legal voters being denied a ballot because they were erroneously listed as felons. The fact that the significant majority of those denied ballots were African-American and Afican-American voters were voting against George W Bush at a 9 to 1 rate would lead anyone with half a brain to conclude that it was intentional. The story was exposed by Greg Palast, an american working for the BBC and was unreported by the U.S. press at the time (Dec 2000).

The congressional black caucus, after becoming aware of this demanded a remedy so that such a thing couldn't happen again. In 2002, George W Bush signed the HAVA law. Within the law it states that if you aren't on the voter rolls when you go to vote, you shall receive a "provisional" ballot. In addition, if your are "challenged", you also receive a "provisional" ballot. Although the HAVA law says you get a provisional ballot, it makes no mention that your ballot has to be added to the count.

With these rules in place, Karl Rove and his crew proceded to complete pervert the process. In 2004, there was a mass "challenge" of voters nationwide by republican operatives, but particularly in swing states and particularly amongst African-Americans. In all there were over 3 million chalenges resulting in "provisional" ballots. Of these "provisional" ballots, over 1 million were disqualified and usually on the flimsiest of technicalities. In the event that these "provisional" ballots were being examined by a Secretary of State that was a Bush supporter, they usually would get denied and not counted.

The lists of voters to challenge were generated by something called "caging" lists. In most cases these lists were in violation of election and voting rights laws and a felony. Rove and his crew were exchanging all of their email via the RNC HQ computers to avoid detection (everything on the White House computers is saved). When the various committees supoenaed the emails, they were told that they had been "accidentally" deleted.

Not all of the emails disappeared. 500 or so were misaddressed and ended up in the possession of the worlds greatest investigative journalist. He wrote about this in his 2006 book and also detailed a number of other methods used to uncount votes and steal the election. However, since the Democrats regained control of the House and John Conyers became chairman of the House Judiciary committee, the evidence has been turned over to them. When it was announced that the committee had the evidence, interim US attorney Tim Griffin resigned. To find out why, go to the thread I started and check out some of the links to the various stories and videos.

Here's the thread

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=271695

You know a lot of background on some of the HAVA requirements. I can tell you with the last 4 tears working on the county and state levels with elections and we have never had any problems with provisional ballots. The ones that go with election laws are allowed, and those tha do not, don't.