Obama Lies to get Nomination?

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    angelica wrote:
    Very nice!


    Thank you :)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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  • Urban Hiker
    Urban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Iraq will probably never be stable enough for us to leave....we've made sure of that. So how long do we stay?

    *raises hand while nearly jumping out of seat*

    I know, I know, I know!!!

    Since we know that oil is a finite resource, I believe that Iraq will suddenly become stabilized when we've drained ALL of the oil and then we will leave Iraq.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Urban Hiker wrote:
    *raises hand while nearly jumping out of seat*

    I know, I know, I know!!!

    Since we know that oil is a finite resource, I believe that Iraq will suddenly become stabilized when we've drained ALL of the oil and then we will leave Iraq.


    And that same outcome will happen be it Obama or McCain, sadly.

    Only the bitching will come from two different groups, depending on whether or not the D's or the R's are the one's in charge....never mind that it will be the same thing they would be complaining about. Just like how the Republicans were against Bosnia and how once the Democrats were against Iraq. It doesn't seem to matter really about war, destruction, occupation and killing as being wrong so much as it seems to matter which team is the one currently at fault so the finger can be pointed.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    And that same outcome will happen be it Obama or McCain, sadly.

    Only the bitching will come from two different groups, depending on whether or not the D's or the R's are the one's in charge....never mind that it will be the same thing they would be complaining about. Just like how the Republicans were against Bosnia and how once the Democrats were against Iraq. It doesn't seem to matter really about war, destruction, occupation and killing as being wrong so much as it seems to matter which team is the one currently at fault so the finger can be pointed.

    That's the exact reason I have for not liking the American two party system. It's all about being against each other, rather than for the people you supposedly represent.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    That's the exact reason I have for not liking the American two party system. It's all about being against each other, rather than for the people you supposedly represent.

    That's it exactly! And neither one do a decent job at representing anything other than dysfunction and lying.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    That's it exactly! And neither one do a decent job at representing anything other than dysfunction and lying.

    I'll be the first to admit that the Irish parties are far from perfect, but at least they can have reasonably different views on an issue without just trying to be "opposed" to any other party. It's like the two-party system is designed to polarise, more than anything else.
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    I'll be the first to admit that the Irish parties are far from perfect, but at least they can have reasonably different views on an issue without just trying to be "opposed" to any other party. It's like the two-party system is designed to polarise, more than anything else.


    Polarize the people into pulling for one side over the other....while they work together towards the same things to maintain power.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Im still here wrote:
    Obama is definitely the lesser of the two Evils.........

    If Obama and McCain are evil, consider me Lucifer himself. :p


    I've never liked that saying.. It should be the "lesser of two brown nosers."
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    If Obama and McCain are evil, consider me Lucifer himself. :p


    I've never liked that saying.. It should be the "lesser of two brown nosers."

    Why do people always bring colour into this?!? :p:D
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  • Urban Hiker
    Urban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    If Obama and McCain are evil, consider me Lucifer himself. :p


    I've never liked that saying.. It should be the "lesser of two brown nosers."


    Does that mean people are supposed to chose the candidate with the least stinky snot???
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  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20080708/ts_csm/acentrist

    "Time to unilaterally renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the agreement that many working Americans believe threatens or has already cost them their jobs? Not so fast, Senator Obama now says. No death penalty for child rapists? The Supreme Court got that one wrong, he says. And on the court's historic assertion of an individual's right to bear arms, Obama signaled approval.

    Perhaps his most risky move has been to backtrack on a promise to oppose a government-surveillance bill, the so-called FISA legislation (named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978), which provides retroactive immunity for phone companies that have helped the Bush administration in its warrantless wiretapping program.

    On Thursday, the longtime Iraq war opponent showed new flexibility on his plan to withdraw troops within 16 months, saying that he could refine his policies after he visits the country later this summer."

    I agree with his stance on DC's overturn of the handgun ban... but that is it. He is backpedalling on some pretty important issues here... privacy rights, Iraq, free trade... these are probably 3 of the top 5 issues for me...
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