Obama Lies to get Nomination?

Im still here

Now that Obama has won the Nomination the word Change hasnt been mentioned that often. Now it's all about Unity. Honestly, I call Bullshit....... Seems to me that maybe Obama has had a few too many meetings with AIPAC.

Now to me a Band's views on Politics mean something to me and Pearl Jam and Incubus have both endorsed Obama. I really wonder what they are thinkin of Obama now.

What happened to the Immediate Withdrawal of Troops from Iraq?????????

I CALL BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

mca47

So what has he lied about and said that has changed since before his winning the nomination?

fuck

Seeing as how you say Bonnaroo sucked, I'm thinking Obama's not the only liar.

All kidding aside, yes, Obama does suck, and he will bring no real "change."

Oh, by the way, I'm thinking Ed is endorsing obama not so much because he really believes everything, but because he doesn't want McCain to win... kinda like how PJ supported Kerry in 04...

although who knows, maybe Ed does genuinely believe that Obama will bring some change...

Im still here

mca47 wrote:

So what has he lied about and said that has changed since before his winning the nomination?

Watch the newz once in awhile, he just said he didnt know if he could withdraw the troops within the first 16 months.......

He's not sure now.....

Big surprise.....

joshua3800

You run for CHANGE to get a nomination and you run to UNITE to brign together a party that has forgotten what matters in an election. WIN. It doesn't matter how, just win. I hate Republican views but they know how to run campaigns. They dont worry about the nominee, they just win.

Anyone who believed Obama would take every single soldier out is a moron. You have to keep anti terrorism, humanitarian and peac keeping troops there. Its not a matter of choice anymore. Bush was an idiot and sent us there and now we have to protect what we've done.

It's a shitty thign that will be dropped in Obama's lap, but the military forces will be more like Isarael or Saudi Arabia and i am fine with that. (For Now)

I am not a huge fan of Obama's policies. On the surface they may be to much reaching, but i am attracted to the promise of a better idea. He has a better idea for the future i see or want to see happen.

Tome, it's simple.. More of the same = Mccain. You wnat somethign different, then vote Obama. He may not do any better, but he will take us in a completely different direction and that's what i like.

My favorite thign about Obama is his focus is American values here, not everywhere else.

Stay the course guys and girls. It's an amzing thign we can make happen. We just ahve to be strong ewnough to se eit through and smart enough to see passed the bullshit and focus on whats really at stake.

He has huge ideas and i am voting for him because i want to have his back while he tries to get this country back to somethign to be proud of.

It's gonna be close and if Mccain wins, maybe it's time to look somewhere else as the greatest country in the world and somewhere else to raise our kids and see Pearl Jam. I hear there Italy shows were amazing.

PEACE

mca47

Im still here wrote:

Watch the newz once in awhile, he just said he didnt know if he could withdraw the troops within the first 16 months.......

He's not sure now.....

Big surprise.....

Well, it seems you just caught the sound bytes.
No, what he said was that he's still planning on his phased withdrawl but also indicated that if something comes up, if things change the timeframe might be different.

Im still here

Obama is definitely the lesser of the two Evils.........

Sad but I've voted the Lesser of two Evils for the last 10 years, maybe my entire life........

really sad

:(

Im still here

mca47 wrote:

Well, it seems you just caught the sound bytes.
No, what he said was that he's still planning on his phased withdrawl but also indicated that if something comes up, if things change the timeframe might be different.

I CALL BULLSHIT!!!

ledvedderman

mca47 wrote:

Well, it seems you just caught the sound bytes.
No, what he said was that he's still planning on his phased withdrawl but also indicated that if something comes up, if things change the timeframe might be different.

Oh no! What a liar! What's he thinking saying it is possible the plan might change depending on what is happening on the ground?

ledvedderman

Im still here wrote:

I CALL BULLSHIT!!!

his stance is still consistent with what he said in the primaries...which means it is not a lie.

fuck

joshua3800 wrote:

Anyone who believed Obama would take every single soldier out is a moron. You have to keep anti terrorism, humanitarian and peac keeping troops there. Its not a matter of choice anymore. Bush was an idiot and sent us there and now we have to protect what we've done.

Do you think mercenary armies like Blackwater can be classified as "peace keeping troops?" If so, then you really have a lot of reading to do. And Obama said that he's going to keep hired armies like Blackwater in Iraq... for atleast 2 years... of course, his supporters ignore that...

It's a shitty thign that will be dropped in Obama's lap, but the military forces will be more like Isarael or Saudi Arabia and i am fine with that. (For Now)

What if it were Iran? Would you be fine with that?

I am not a huge fan of Obama's policies. On the surface they may be to much reaching, but i am attracted to the promise of a better idea. He has a better idea for the future i see or want to see happen.

Tome, it's simple.. More of the same = Mccain. You wnat somethign different, then vote Obama. He may not do any better, but he will take us in a completely different direction and that's what i like.

What? That makes no sense. So you don't like Obama's policies... in fact you just admitted he may not do any better... but you just like that he promised to take us in a "different direction?" You've gotta do more than that to guarantee my vote... Policies are what are actually going to be placed into effect, NOT false promises... vote on a candidate whose policies you agree with... not someone who promises to take us in a different direction, although he won't do any better (if that makes ANY sense...)

Im still here

ledvedderman wrote:

his stance is still consistent with what he said in the primaries...which means it is not a lie.

More War

can't bite the hand that feeds, huh?

Obama's War Chest (Donations, hahahaha)

what a scam........

first it was immediate withdrawal

second it was within 16 Months

Now it's, well we're not sure when, but we promise we will

this is fukin bullshit

Ed was right: Corporations rule the Day........

ledvedderman

Im still here wrote:

More War

can't bite the hand that feeds, huh?

Obama's War Chest (Donations, hahahaha)

what a scam........

first it was immediate withdrawal

second it was within 16 Months

Now it's, well we're not sure when, but we promise we will

this is fukin bullshit

Ed was right: Corporations rule the Day........

When did Senator Obama ever call for an immediate withdrawl? I don't know about you, but all I have ever heard from him, back 4+ years is "we need to be as careful getting out, as we were careless getting in". "Careful" does not equal an immediate withdrawl.

MrBrian

I don't blame Obama for his lies, he knows that the American voting public will eat up anything it's given...and most of the American voters are looking fatter than ever.

Im still here

he is now the Democratic Nominee

there is a large portion of the Democratic Party that wants an immediate withdrawal

plus just to please you

"Let me be clear: There is no military solution in Iraq and there never was,
The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year - now," the Illinois Senator said.

09/12/2007

you go find the 20 sources you want, he said it

anotherclone

Im still here wrote:

"... immediately begin to remove our combat troops..."

I know I'm butting in here, but you have kind of have posted your own answer.

He's not saying he will do a full withdrawal at once...he says "begin" to remove the troops. He's not saying he's going to remove them all at once.

Same thing ledvedderman mentioned...he's talking about being careful.

mca47

anotherclone wrote:

I know I'm butting in here, but you have kind of have posted your own answer.

He's not saying he will do a full withdrawal at once...he says "begin" to remove the troops. He's not saying he's going to remove them all at once.

Same thing ledvedderman mentioned...he's talking about being careful.

Stop making sense!

ledvedderman

Im still here wrote:

"Let me be clear: There is no military solution in Iraq and there never was, The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year - now," the Illinois Senator said.

I put the key word in your quote in bold...

Im still here

anotherclone wrote:

I know I'm butting in here, but you have kind of have posted your own answer.

He's not saying he will do a full withdrawal at once...he says "begin" to remove the troops. He's not saying he's going to remove them all at once.

Same thing ledvedderman mentioned...he's talking about being careful.

"Not in six months or one year - now"

C'mon...........

He's moving toward the center, he needs Hillary Voters who would rather die than vote for him

keep the War going, it makes Corporate America lotsa money

He needs to look strong against a Republican Warmonger

sad thing is he's a Warmonger too

looks like we'll have War for the next 20 years with Obama

and 100 years with McCain

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

it's completely insane to see the changes in Obama once he won the Nomination

is that the Change he was speaking of?

hahahahahahaha

mattcozea

The only thing that surprises me is that people are surprised when politicians lie or change their stance in order to win.

Abookamongstthemany

mattcoz wrote:

The only thing that surprises me is that people are surprised when politicians lie or change their stance in order to win.

What surprises me even more is that people continue to accept this bullshit and eat it up.