one word: ....Oprah!! You know what Oprah does to books in her bookclub, right??? Instant overnight smash hits!!
omg, someone at work told me once they supported obama b/c oprah does and oprah would only support someone really good....mind boggling oggling oggling oggling
oprah and self publicity, autobiographies and a constant media tour pretty much since he was elected to the senate
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Allright allright...I'll vote for him. Do you think we'll win?
I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
Cause if we don't. It's Bush for another 4 years. I have a daughter. I don't think she can afford that.
I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
Cause if we don't. It's Bush for another 4 years. I have a daughter. I don't think she can afford that.
Are you serious??
I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
-Reagan
omg, someone at work told me once they supported obama b/c oprah does and oprah would only support someone really good....mind boggling oggling oggling oggling
oprah and self publicity, autobiographies and a constant media tour pretty much since he was elected to the senate
The funny thing is that Oprah is the media version of Obama...so I so get their kinship. They both have great potential!! For enlightenment! Both, however, are held back by the pandering to the "masses". (...aka aligning with mediocrity...and yes, for the record, I realize the irony of my meager self saying this about two such "celebs"! )
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
If things keep going the way they are she'll be paying 10-15 for gas and that seems conservative. She'll be 16 in a few years so yeah little serious.
I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
If things keep going the way they are she'll be paying 10-15 for gas and that seems conservative. She'll be 16 in a few years so yeah little serious.
No about "Bush for another 4 years."
I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
-Reagan
Wow! Wouldn't want to meet that guy in a dark alley. Surprised there aren't horns.
"These seven Wall Street firms are (in order of money given): Goldman Sachs, UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse. There is also a large hedge fund, Citadel Investment Group, which is a major source of fee income to Wall Street. There are five large corporate law firms that are also registered lobbyists; and one is a corporate law firm that is no longer a registered lobbyist but does legal work for Wall Street. The cumula*tive total of these 14 contributors through February 1, 2008, was $2,872,128, and we’re still in the primary season."
According to what I've heard (too lazy to look it up) Obama has recieved 100 million(guessing sort of) in donations. I wouldn't call that being in the pocket of lobbyists. I believe that is McCain's job. Obama's average donation is around $100 dollars and he's winning. What more do you want from a candidate. The truth? Kucinich tried that and he lost. Nader isn't a viable candidate but he belongs somewhere in government. Hillary is McCain lite and McCain is Bush. I guess I don't see what the problem is.
McCain is Bush? Then how come I don't know one Republican who wants to vote for him? Most I know would rather elect Bush to a third term than McCain.
Seriously ... the McSame ... McBush ... crap is just that ... crap.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
uh, one of of many major differences between mccain and obama are women's health issues. those should be important to everyone, but especially to those with daughters. and sisters. and mothers.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
uh, one of of many major differences between mccain and obama are women's health issues. those should be important to everyone, but especially to those with daughters. and sisters. and mothers.
uh, some of the important factors for me are:
war
environmental policy
energy policy
foreign policy
lying about lobbyists
and those should be important to everyone, whether you have a daughter, sister, mother... or not.
the post i replied to was referring to gas prices, i don't see how obama will change anything when his energy policy is pure shite
also, i'd bet nader's women's health policies are better than obama's
i see it as
obama and mccain not so much a difference (sure there's little things you can grasp onto)
nader compared those 2....no comparison!
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I'm waiting for him to also say he's "had enough" with regards to Iran, Syria, and Pakistan...
I'm just waiting for it.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
uh, some of the important factors for me are:
war
environmental policy
energy policy
foreign policy
lying about lobbyists
and those should be important to everyone, whether you have a daughter, sister, mother... or not.
the post i replied to was referring to gas prices, i don't see how obama will change anything when his energy policy is pure shite
also, i'd bet nader's women's health policies are better than obama's
i see it as
obama and mccain not so much a difference (sure there's little things you can grasp onto)
nader compared those 2....no comparison!
well then i'll just say good luck with your important factors! your vote for nader will really move those in the right direction legislatively!
i think it's ridiculous and blind to think that there's not much difference between mccain and obama on issues, including your important factors. you ever so clearly disagree. i'm not sure why you keep bringing this up when you have all your own answers already.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
well then i'll just say good luck with your important factors! your vote for nader will really move those in the right direction legislatively!
i think it's ridiculous and blind to think that there's not much difference between mccain and obama on issues, including your important factors. you ever so clearly disagree. i'm not sure why you keep bringing this up when you have all your own answers already.
yeah, as if you haven't had your mind made up for like a year and a half....:rolleyes:
how do you figure obama will move things in the right direction legislatively, hell he can barely make it to the senate to vote!!! his stances on the issues (altho i haven't read his women's health stance, so maybe there's one) seem to actually go in the opposite direction i feel they need to go. but hey, let's keep our troops in iraq past 2013 like obama will do and let's increase the military and it's budget like obama wants to do. let's just continue to throw the palestinians under the bus...
at least i know w/ my vote for nader i won't be compromising my beliefs and values, as many here seem to do.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
yeah, as if you haven't had your mind made up for like a year and a half....:rolleyes:
how do you figure obama will move things in the right direction legislatively, hell he can barely make it to the senate to vote!!! his stances on the issues (altho i haven't read his women's health stance, so maybe there's one) seem to actually go in the opposite direction i feel they need to go. but hey, let's keep our troops in iraq past 2013 like obama will do and let's increase the military and it's budget like obama wants to do. let's just continue to throw the palestinians under the bus...
at least i know w/ my vote for nader i won't be compromising my beliefs and values, as many here seem to do.
actually my mind was made up over two years ago. one of the differences between you and me is that i don't use the board as a mission to bash and misrepresent nader, the person you're so uncompromisingly supporting. but that's why i don't spend much time around here either. there's no point really because you're going to see what you want to see. but carry on and good luck.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
Good for Obama. Better late than never. But, he had me worried there for a while that it was going to be never. I'm sure he can find a church that is much more in line with his thinking quite easily, especially after the furor over the recent one is over.
Does anyone know what he actually plans to change and how he plans to do it?
For now i would just be satisfied with a president that didn't murder tens of thousands of people in countries filled with little brown people to secure their oil for his former business partners.
that will be quite a change.
and stopping Bush's policy of giving away tax money to the rich will be a nice change.
For now i would just be satisfied with a president that didn't murder tens of thousands of people in countries filled with little brown people to secure their oil for his former business partners.
that will be quite a change.
and stopping Bush's policy of giving away tax money to the rich will be a nice change.
Obama won't end the war... at least not anytime soon. Certainly, won't withdraw troops right away.
Best we can hope is that he won't start the next war (Iran) as hastily as mccain or bush would've. Maybe even Hillary in her eagerness to show she's just as hawkish as the next guy.
actually my mind was made up over two years ago. one of the differences between you and me is that i don't use the board as a mission to bash and misrepresent nader, the person you're so uncompromisingly supporting. but that's why i don't spend much time around here either. there's no point really because you're going to see what you want to see. but carry on and good luck.
So you have a problem with people using the board to express disdain or criticize candidates for president? How is this any different than what people do about Bush/Cheney?? Many of us see a lot of the same policy directions in Obama. So why shouldn't we bring those to light?
And if you feel Obama has been misrepresented then as a supporter you can clearly show us how. That's what the board is for...to express your opinion and engage in civilized discourse when these opinions conflict. That's what people do here on every single issue a thread is started about. Why should Obama be any different? And yeah, he's gonna get a lot of attention...he's running for president, he's all over the news and MANY people believe him to stand for things he simply does not even come close to. Back in March, people were on here saying how Obama was the Anti-war candidate....he's not even close to that!! So yes, dissenting opinions are needed and should not be shut out just because you vehemently disagree. We have used the board for exactly what it is supposed to be used for. If no one was interested in these topics then they would all drop away. And yeah, I know I'm opinionated and quite out spoken...the funny thing is most of you didn't have the least bit of a problem with that until my posts became directed at Obama...up until then most of you were quite encouraging and supportive of my voice on this board. So please hold the bias back...just a little.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
funny ppl demonize bush now (and rightly so) and yet...so much of the 2 party's policies are the same. why just bush/cheney???? the foreign policies are almost exactly identical! you hear very little criticism about clinton other than getting a blow job then lying about it under oath. how the democrats have this image as an opposition party is beyond me
change we can believe in...until after election day, then we can all go back to bitching about the 2 party's being worthless and ineffectual
powered by naivety
ahhh...lets see....for one supreme court nominiee's will be different...ah what else...oh yea we won't have president that's homophobic......ah lets see what else.
The role of president is mostly symbolic....yet its really freakin cool for our country along with the world to have a black president...that will help us out as a society.
Obama will be better than the other choice and will be better for this country...and to simply say he'll be the same as McBush....silly.
He's not addressing the real problems. He's actually part of the game. You think he's going to drop oil prices? They're doing another Enron but with oil instead of electricity this time.
Another wasted election on people who couldn't manage to figure it out in time.
mark my words....you'll all see.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
ahhh...lets see....for one supreme court nominiee's will be different...ah what else...oh yea we won't have president that's homophobic......ah lets see what else.
The role of president is mostly symbolic....yet its really freakin cool for our country along with the world to have a black president...that will help us out as a society.
Obama will be better than the other choice and will be better for this country...and to simply say he'll be the same as McBush....silly.
is obama against or for gay marriage???
if the role of president is mostly symbolic:
it shouldn't matter who i vote for
it shouldn't matter if that 'symbolic' figure is black, yellow, red, plaid....
if he's 'mostly symbolic' how can there be much difference between candidates? how can he be 'better for the country'?
i didn't say he was the exact same, i said on many of the issues, especially key ones for me, he is very similar.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
actually my mind was made up over two years ago. one of the differences between you and me is that i don't use the board as a mission to bash and misrepresent nader, the person you're so uncompromisingly supporting. but that's why i don't spend much time around here either. there's no point really because you're going to see what you want to see. but carry on and good luck.
feel free to point out the misrepresentations
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
in all seriousness, i do hope Obama wins, to piss off all the conservative buggers (to shoot down their bigotry) and to get 1 or 2 things done right.
but i gotta say, I voted for his buddy Deval Patrick to be Governor, and that dude has not done SHIT, except for increasing his personal office budget and creating bullshit positions like "director of grassroots governance" (how the fuck does that make sense?). his only major proposal was to bring casinos into massachusetts, which I'm happy to say the state legislature shot down, because i could not be more opposed to that idea. but hey, at least he's not a nasty conservative snobby $&!@& like his opponent. hoorah for that i guess...
in all seriousness, i do hope Obama wins, to piss off all the conservative buggers (to shoot down their bigotry) and to get 1 or 2 things done right.
but i gotta say, I voted for his buddy Deval Patrick to be Governor, and that dude has not done SHIT, except for increasing his personal office budget and creating bullshit positions like "director of grassroots governance" (how the fuck does that make sense?). his only major proposal was to bring casinos into massachusetts, which I'm happy to say the state legislature shot down, because i could not be opposed to that idea. but hey, at least he's not a nasty conservative snobby $&!@& like his opponent. hoorah for that i guess...
i know, it's insane how many casino's get built, what a waste...hey, let's knock nature down and pave over it so we can play some slots! and to think some poor schmucks job is to see to that
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Comments
one word: ....Oprah!! You know what Oprah does to books in her bookclub, right??? Instant overnight smash hits!!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
omg, someone at work told me once they supported obama b/c oprah does and oprah would only support someone really good....mind boggling oggling oggling oggling
oprah and self publicity, autobiographies and a constant media tour pretty much since he was elected to the senate
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Are you serious??
-Reagan
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
If things keep going the way they are she'll be paying 10-15 for gas and that seems conservative. She'll be 16 in a few years so yeah little serious.
No about "Bush for another 4 years."
-Reagan
McCain is Bush? Then how come I don't know one Republican who wants to vote for him? Most I know would rather elect Bush to a third term than McCain.
Seriously ... the McSame ... McBush ... crap is just that ... crap.
for the least they could possibly do
and what will be different w/ obama???? take a look at his website, he wants only 25% renewable energy by 2025, what he's pushing is nuclear and coal
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RpGa-iwYaOE
especially around 1:34
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
uh, one of of many major differences between mccain and obama are women's health issues. those should be important to everyone, but especially to those with daughters. and sisters. and mothers.
cross the river to the eastside
uh, some of the important factors for me are:
war
environmental policy
energy policy
foreign policy
lying about lobbyists
and those should be important to everyone, whether you have a daughter, sister, mother... or not.
the post i replied to was referring to gas prices, i don't see how obama will change anything when his energy policy is pure shite
also, i'd bet nader's women's health policies are better than obama's
i see it as
obama and mccain not so much a difference (sure there's little things you can grasp onto)
nader compared those 2....no comparison!
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I'm just waiting for it.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
(")_(")
well then i'll just say good luck with your important factors! your vote for nader will really move those in the right direction legislatively!
i think it's ridiculous and blind to think that there's not much difference between mccain and obama on issues, including your important factors. you ever so clearly disagree. i'm not sure why you keep bringing this up when you have all your own answers already.
cross the river to the eastside
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
yeah, as if you haven't had your mind made up for like a year and a half....:rolleyes:
how do you figure obama will move things in the right direction legislatively, hell he can barely make it to the senate to vote!!! his stances on the issues (altho i haven't read his women's health stance, so maybe there's one) seem to actually go in the opposite direction i feel they need to go. but hey, let's keep our troops in iraq past 2013 like obama will do and let's increase the military and it's budget like obama wants to do. let's just continue to throw the palestinians under the bus...
at least i know w/ my vote for nader i won't be compromising my beliefs and values, as many here seem to do.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
actually my mind was made up over two years ago. one of the differences between you and me is that i don't use the board as a mission to bash and misrepresent nader, the person you're so uncompromisingly supporting. but that's why i don't spend much time around here either. there's no point really because you're going to see what you want to see. but carry on and good luck.
cross the river to the eastside
For now i would just be satisfied with a president that didn't murder tens of thousands of people in countries filled with little brown people to secure their oil for his former business partners.
that will be quite a change.
and stopping Bush's policy of giving away tax money to the rich will be a nice change.
Best we can hope is that he won't start the next war (Iran) as hastily as mccain or bush would've. Maybe even Hillary in her eagerness to show she's just as hawkish as the next guy.
So you have a problem with people using the board to express disdain or criticize candidates for president? How is this any different than what people do about Bush/Cheney?? Many of us see a lot of the same policy directions in Obama. So why shouldn't we bring those to light?
And if you feel Obama has been misrepresented then as a supporter you can clearly show us how. That's what the board is for...to express your opinion and engage in civilized discourse when these opinions conflict. That's what people do here on every single issue a thread is started about. Why should Obama be any different? And yeah, he's gonna get a lot of attention...he's running for president, he's all over the news and MANY people believe him to stand for things he simply does not even come close to. Back in March, people were on here saying how Obama was the Anti-war candidate....he's not even close to that!! So yes, dissenting opinions are needed and should not be shut out just because you vehemently disagree. We have used the board for exactly what it is supposed to be used for. If no one was interested in these topics then they would all drop away. And yeah, I know I'm opinionated and quite out spoken...the funny thing is most of you didn't have the least bit of a problem with that until my posts became directed at Obama...up until then most of you were quite encouraging and supportive of my voice on this board. So please hold the bias back...just a little.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
ahhh...lets see....for one supreme court nominiee's will be different...ah what else...oh yea we won't have president that's homophobic......ah lets see what else.
The role of president is mostly symbolic....yet its really freakin cool for our country along with the world to have a black president...that will help us out as a society.
Obama will be better than the other choice and will be better for this country...and to simply say he'll be the same as McBush....silly.
He's not addressing the real problems. He's actually part of the game. You think he's going to drop oil prices? They're doing another Enron but with oil instead of electricity this time.
Another wasted election on people who couldn't manage to figure it out in time.
mark my words....you'll all see.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Kenny, you're funny.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
is obama against or for gay marriage???
if the role of president is mostly symbolic:
it shouldn't matter who i vote for
it shouldn't matter if that 'symbolic' figure is black, yellow, red, plaid....
if he's 'mostly symbolic' how can there be much difference between candidates? how can he be 'better for the country'?
i didn't say he was the exact same, i said on many of the issues, especially key ones for me, he is very similar.
mccain vs obama on foreign policy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NoN0ndnVWM
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
feel free to point out the misrepresentations
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
but i gotta say, I voted for his buddy Deval Patrick to be Governor, and that dude has not done SHIT, except for increasing his personal office budget and creating bullshit positions like "director of grassroots governance" (how the fuck does that make sense?). his only major proposal was to bring casinos into massachusetts, which I'm happy to say the state legislature shot down, because i could not be more opposed to that idea. but hey, at least he's not a nasty conservative snobby $&!@& like his opponent. hoorah for that i guess...
i know, it's insane how many casino's get built, what a waste...hey, let's knock nature down and pave over it so we can play some slots! and to think some poor schmucks job is to see to that
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way